MMsTSX

So here's what I want:

Big Brake Kit

Front and Back

Best quality I can buy

Rotors to be drilled, not slotted (for looks only really)

Rotors need to be plated in zinc or something else
that strongly inhibits rust.

Must fit on my car with AME Tracer FS-01 rims, 18x7.5x+48


I'd like the rotors not to be gold, but silver instead.
I want top quality, no compromises.
JDM is preferred, but if not possible, whatever.
Caliper color is up in the air, I need to see pictures of the finishes.

I want no doubt about quality.
I hear doubts about Rotora and Stoptech, so they're out.

Any advice where I can look?

visuelz

Actually, I would recommend Stoptech. My cousin highly recommends it. He told me those JDM brakes are only expensive since they are made in Japan. Stoptech is made in the USA.

CGP06tsx

Stoptech is the only way to go cause they are the only ones to make a real BBK for the rear. You could get the Wilwood kit which has a rear upgrade, but it is just a larger rotor and it still uses the stock caliper.

CGP06tsx

Oh and the rear kit is about $3300 and the front $1900.

MMsTSX

huh.

so Stoptech is the ONLY one that makes a front + back BBK?

huh.

The back is always so much more than the front.

I don't like the look of their calipers....
I'll look into them more cloesly though.

big thumbs down for lack of options here.
I don't like their rotors either it looks like...

hmmm.

xjohnkdoex

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you could go rotora, wilwood (budget), as other options, or JDM bling with spoon or project mu.

i'd just go with stoptech.

wait, i just noticed you wanted back to. isn't rotora the only one that has rear calipers for our car? i think wilwoods/fastbreaks.com might have a rear combo for the TSX also. may want to check that.

CGP06tsx

Rotora only makes front.

We don't really have many options for brakes =/ Especially when you want rear as well as front.

xjohnkdoex

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oh, maybe it's stoptech that makes the rears then.

Audioserf

Stoptech is the only company that I know which offers a rear BBK.

If money is no object, I'd say go with Endless up front and get the Fastbrakes.com rear disc upgrade and have the rear caliper powdercoated to match your Endless.

CGP06tsx

MMsTSX

Endless sounds good.
Project Mu good too.

But it just seems lame to me to have non-matching calipers.

CGP06tsx

With non-matching calipers you can at least have the front looking really good, with front and rear you won't like how either looks since you said you don't like the Stoptech caliper.

Audioserf

I hear ya, but at the same time our rear brake setup is so small that if the fronts look impressive, you probably won't even notice the rears. If you don't want Stoptech, you're probably going to have to settle for non-matching calipers...

MMsTSX

yeah, I'm not too much of a fan of Stoptech for some reason.

It'll probably end up Endless or Project Mu up front.

Anyone have details for me on the Endless company?

I'll have to look closely at both and what my options are with them.
I don't even know who I would buy either through yet.

As for the back... well I guess I'll address front and back separately.

You guys are a great help so far, thank you kindly.

MrHeeltoe

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Project Mu and Endless are both badass brands. Pricey though. Have you seen our 4-pot wilwood special? $995. Although I think you got some deep pockets to afford the brand name stuff.

I can get either obviously. I think the Mus I can get a pretty decent discount for you.

Marcus

Excelerate

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You should have no doubts about ROTORA or STOPTECH. They both make top notch products. STOPTECH is the only company with a rear BBK for the TSX and likely will be the only company ever to make one. They only put it into production b/c they made one for a track car.

The rear BBK from STOPTECH is about $3k since it includes 2 sets of pistons. Most of the braking is done in the front but if you want matching calipers front and rear it's STOPTECH or OEM

DAYTA

Wow...you want alot, ehh ?

1) AFAIK, you can't have a rotor zinc coated and still have it silver. It's either zinc and gold, or non-zinc and silver.

2) As everyone else has said, if you want front+rear BBK, your only option is Stoptech. However, be prepared to spend $5,000 for the entire setup.

(I'm not sure what you have against Stoptech or the look of the calipers, but from what I understand they are of the highest quality - where did you hear otherwise?)

3) No BBK will fit your 18x7.5 +48 wheels without spacers (I'd say at least 10mm to be safe). If that is the case, you'll most likely need to add longer studs as well.


Project Mu and Endless both make fantastic BBKs, but beyond the JDM "bling" factor (which is nice, I'll admit ), I'd be very surprised if they performed any better than Stoptech's kits.

MMsTSX

Oh really?

I was thinking of the Endless over the Mu's actually.

lol.

Figures.

The Project Mu only comes in the one teal color that I can see.
Kind of part of their trademark really, it seems to me.

I need to think foremost of the overall look of my car.
That's what I decided in the beginning of all of this.
I didn't want any one part really sticking out and looking off.

So if I got chrome Endless front calipers and some other kind of back
calipers and chromed them (or similar finishes) it would probably
match better and flow better with the car than the Project Mu option.
Endless blue is also a viable option for my particular car as well.

Thing is... I don't like the rotors from either brand.
I don't doubt their quality, I just don't like their look so much.

From what I've read, drilled vs. slotted vs. both vs. none is really not
too big of a deal. They advertise their slots are perfect and blah blah,
but for me, I mainly see it as just looks.
And I like the dirctional drilled rotors the best for sure.

But rust is a problem for me and rotors.
So I'd want them plated or something to offset that as much as possible.

Both Endless and Project Mu seem to only have slotted, unplated rotors.

Brembo seems to have some ceramic composite thing going on, but...
Only for cars that cost a fortune it seems.

Yup, I'm picky all right, and it's a pain in my a$$, lol.

Audioserf

That's the only thing I've got to comment on bro - Rotora's 1pc BBK will fit under those wheels without spacers. If the 1pc fits under the OEM 17x7 +55 without spacers, +48 shouldn't be a problem. In fact, I'm kind of banking on that...

chuson

I see alot of recommendation on Project Mu and Endless, and that's my recommendation as well. I would just get the "stock" color (Teal for Mu and Blue for Endless), cause it's balling already.

Another big brand is Alcon, however I don't know if anyone over here can get you that.

I say forget about the Rear BBK. We have a FWD and rear braking is only account for 20%. Braking will definetly improved w/ rear BBK but it MIGHT also throw off the brake bias ratio on our car. Same this budget for your GGGGGGGGG.

Audioserf

Alcon, yeah. If you look at the pics from meets in HK it seems every EuroR over there has got an Alcon BBK. I've never seen that state-side, though.

Endless Blue would look great on your ride, MMsTSX. Then again, so would Rotora's sky blue. The 2-pc Rotora kit would give you the performance and looks you're after and cost substantially less than the Endless setup. You'll need to run spacers/studs in either case, however.

MMsTSX

I wonder what Tsxdriver is running for endless...

I think he has the 6 pot aluminum stock blue endless up front
with a set of their slotted rotors.

He fit those under 17's with no issues.
I doubt then I would find an issue with 18's.

I don't know about his offsets and such though.

Man this search engine is 100% worthless.
You can't even search for someone's old threads from their profile page.

lame.

chuson

It's lucky that 06tsx is also on the other forum, so here's some info that you want...



Rims: Mugen MF10 17X8 +45
Tires: 225/45/17
** No Spacer Needed.

Clearance on his previous 18"

DAYTA

I hear ya. Still, I think 1-pc rotors are typically thinner than 2-pc rotors due to the disc + hat design. Since it's such a close fit, every mm matters. For 2-pc, I'd allocate a bit more clearance just for safety purposes.

MMsTSX

awesome, thanks.

hmmm..

17x8x+45 vs. my 18x7.5x+48...
hmmm.

it'll be close if I'll need spacers or not.
it'll probably lie in the design of the rims.

I'm leaning heavily towards this exact same setup up front.
Project Mu still has a hand in it though, but a small one.

I'm probably going to have to give up on rotors for now...

The back is going to take some thought.

The RSX uses the same rear rotor, and the RSX has a caliper
from Endless I believe that possibly could fit the rear.

Marcus is all over it, checking on it for me, thank you Marcus!

DAYTA

^^^ Hmmm, I forgot about those pics.

Damn, that's waaaaay too little clearance. If the caliper expands at all, you're f-ed.

Still, at those calipers...

DAYTA

FYI...I forgot that BigBen is also running the Endless setup on his TSX with 18x7.5 +48 wheels, and he needed 10mm spacers for sufficient clearance (5mm worked, but waaaay too close for comfort).

However, like you said, the wheel/spoke design should factor into how much clearance you'll actually need. For example, BigBen is running TA TE37s which have a straight spoke design. If your wheels have a more concave spoke design, that should give you slightly more clearance.

rex.

These are distributors for Alcon in the U.S.

C & R Racing Inc - Indianapolis
Hoerr Racing Products - Illinois
Randall Race Parts - North Carolina
STaSIS Engineering - California

Those are definitely great to get, if you don't want matching calipers.
I would definitely order the StopTech if I had the money.
And if all you want is 'looks' just buy the caliper covers

MMsTSX

nope, not about looks.

about performance + JDM + the best.

kind of the theme for the car.

I'm one of the few that's ordering and installing as much bracing
as possible on the TSX, even though it can't be seen for the most part.

It's not just about looks, although they are critically important.
lol.

for instance, I didn't order the $150 or whatever Cusco strut tie bar.
I ordered the $(look yourself) Feel's carbon power rod instead.

I like the JDMness of the Project Mu and the Endless.

color is important though, and the Project Mu color slightly clashes with my
theme.

the Endless blue fits better with my lights and whatnot.

by the way, so you all know, these are the rims I ordered:











I have the money.
I do want things to match too.
But I can't get over the Stoptech thing.
I think their logo looks cheap.
And really, Endless is better in at least appearance.
If I can get an Endless caliper on the back, I'm golden.
I'm praying.

MrHeeltoe

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Affluent and discerning customers demand excellence.

vwong

If you're going after JDM, you can forget about these.

Brembo - Italy
Stoptech - USA
Wilwood - USA
Alcon - UK
Rotora - Taiwan

Also, good luck on finding a company that offers rear BBK other than Stoptech. The main reason most brake companies don't offer rear BBK for TSX is because the e-brake is incorporated into our factory rear calipers. If you go with either a 2-piston caliper or a 4-piston caliper, you'll lose e-brake. In order for Stoptech to offer the rear BBK, they have to include the e-brake calipers in addition to the 2-piston calipers. That's why their rear BBK is more expensive than the front BBK.

chuson

MMsTSX, your AME is sick~!!

If you have 18x7.5+ 48, I can guarantee you need spacer for either Endless or Project Mu kit. One of the local member has just installed the Wilwood BBK on his TSX, and his Volk TE-37 18X7.5 +40 needs spacer to clear (I think it's a 5mm spacer). The Wilwood caliper is 4-pot but as big as Endless/Project Mu, get yourself a Project Kics spacer to keep ballin'....

tsxdriver

yeah the MF10's clear with no problems at all! some might say it's cutting it close but i don't drive the car around all that often. also, the pics showing the clearance with the Gramlights is misleading. there's actually a lot more clearance. that was just a bad angle/pic.

tsxdriver

okay........ i'm gonna fill you guys in on a lil secret... well some might already know this, but majority don't i don't think.....

J's Racing makes a front and rear BBK for the CL7 EuroR. the fronts are a 6 pot BBK and from what i can see, the rear looks to be similar in size to the stock calipers. however, from the numbers that they post in their catalogue under their rear BBK, it says something in japanese followed by "6 pot and 320mmX14mm". so idk. the product number for the front BBK is B6P-E2 and the rear BBK has two: RBK-E2-NN and RBK-E2-CN. pricing according to their catalogue is: 417,900 Yen for the fronts and 210,000 Yen for the rear ending in NN and 241,500 Yen for the rear ending in CN.

hope this helps

MMsTSX

oh, it helps all right.



thanks good sir.
research is on...

MMsTSX

that red color though...

godfather2

ame tracers + stop front and rear bbk ftw

MrHeeltoe

iTrader: (1)

Thanks! Emailing my supplier for some official word from them!

Marcus

tsxdriver

no probs!

haha yeah i wasn't really feeling that red too lol

no probs!

chuson

Icic, what's the size for your Gramlights rims? Are those from rims from GruppeS special a long time ago? 18X8.5 ones?