Hondata Dyno and info for potential so cal customers
03-23-2005, 03:23 PM
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Hondata Dyno and info for potential so cal customers
Well, I'm happy to say I was officially the 1st tsx customer to be reflashed lol. I had a lot of fun and learned alot spending some quality time with el presidente of hondata. I haven't driven hard as the streets are too crowded during the day for reckless driving. I am also mad tired from lack of sleep. I will talk about it more later, but here is the dyno i promised for now. As for power upgrades, my car only has injen cai.
Special note to potential so cali buyers, so cali users do not have to ship their ecu's in for reflash. Any one near torrance can reflash in 2 1/2 hours at:
Epic Motoring
20926 Normandie Ave.
Torrance, CA 90502
Call Matt Parker at (310) 809 - 7357 for availability
Just letting you so cali people who either want to get it done now or not mess with taking out the ecu. LoL, i dethroned whoever that kept bragging about having the most hps for now until someone with header and intake gets reflash.
03-23-2005, 03:26 PM
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ah crap, cant see anything, i'll worry about it later, going to sleep now, peak power is at 196.7 with only injen cai compare to the 210.1 hondata got with header and intake.
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I zoomed in a bit and here are the highlights.
2500 rpms + 12lb ft
6000 rpms + 20lbft
4 peak hp gain at 7000 rpms. Lowered from 7100 rpms.
torque peak now at 3800 rpms lowered from 4500.
Overall amazing results for those that just have an intake!
Just what I was looking for. Negates the loss of low end torque(and then some) and still gives a very solid top end gain. I like. Might have to get myself an injen now.
2500 rpms + 12lb ft
6000 rpms + 20lbft
4 peak hp gain at 7000 rpms. Lowered from 7100 rpms.
torque peak now at 3800 rpms lowered from 4500.
Overall amazing results for those that just have an intake!
Just what I was looking for. Negates the loss of low end torque(and then some) and still gives a very solid top end gain. I like. Might have to get myself an injen now.
03-23-2005, 03:59 PM
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I know its a lot to ask but, those of you who get the reflash, could you keep track of your fuel economy and see if it makes any difference? Its a lot to ask because with the reflash you guys (and gals) will no doubt live much closer to 7600rpm.
03-23-2005, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by domn
So is that 196 at the wheels? I'm confused 
It's at the hubs which is neither wheel horsepower nor flywheel horsepower. Dynapacs work by taking the wheels off and using an adapter to connect to the wheel hubs.
03-23-2005, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
The torque curve is very nice.
Damn getting too much mod ideas that I never considered before... damn damn!
03-23-2005, 04:06 PM
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it looks like the same dyno that hondata had the other tsx done at, so now we can compare what it does with injen and with comptech parts. also i believe i read that it takes about 4 or so runs to have the ecu and car completely on the same page, so maybe after aweek of driving the gains will be better.
03-23-2005, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
Do I see +10lbft improvement under 3Krpm (most useable in everyday driving?)
I like the fact that with hondata you have more torque at 2k rpms then you did with just the intake at 3000.
03-23-2005, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by domn
So is that 196 at the wheels? I'm confused
They say a dynapack dyno reads 10hp higher than a dynojet so using that logic, taewlee's car with just the CAI and no reflash put out 182hp. That's too low to be flywheel hp so if you add 15% for driveline loss you end up with 209.3hp which makes sense.
Then if you take the reflash at 196.7hp - 10hp for the dynapack and add 15% you end up with 214.7hp at the flywheel. Also a reasonable number if you look at the graph.
03-23-2005, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TinkySD
It's at the hubs which is neither wheel horsepower nor flywheel horsepower. Dynapacs work by taking the wheels off and using an adapter to connect to the wheel hubs.
Now I just need to work out my mod strategy and justification speech to Mrs. 05_TSX_GP... heck, lots of time to work on those, car's still too green... maybe leave it bonestock for rest of '05...
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church automotive still needs to change their dyno to avoid confusion. 
Dan you should subtract percentage from the bigger number(it will give you a different result) shouldn't it?
Dan you should subtract percentage from the bigger number(it will give you a different result) shouldn't it?
03-23-2005, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 05_TSX_GP
As previously posted elsewhere by someone else (think it was Dan), wouldn't worry too much about the absolutely peak HP gain... clearly this reflash works very well to fatten/widen the torque curve which gives thrust
Now I just need to work out my mod strategy and justification speech to Mrs. 05_TSX_GP... heck, lots of time to work on those, car's still too green... maybe leave it bonestock for rest of '05...
Now I just need to work out my mod strategy and justification speech to Mrs. 05_TSX_GP... heck, lots of time to work on those, car's still too green... maybe leave it bonestock for rest of '05...
definitely. It' snot about peak like we were talking about in that other thread.
Now You can shoot high and say you want I/H and hondata nd if she gives you flak tell you you would settle for an intake and hondata.
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Originally Posted by TinkySD
definitely. It' snot about peak like we were talking about in that other thread.
Now You can shoot high and say you want I/H and hondata nd if she gives you flak tell you you would settle for an intake and hondata.
Now You can shoot high and say you want I/H and hondata nd if she gives you flak tell you you would settle for an intake and hondata.
03-23-2005, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 05_TSX_GP
As previously posted elsewhere by someone else (think it was Dan), wouldn't worry too much about the absolutely peak HP gain... clearly this reflash works very well to fatten/widen the torque curve which gives thrust
Now I just need to work out my mod strategy and justification speech to Mrs. 05_TSX_GP... heck, lots of time to work on those, car's still too green... maybe leave it bonestock for rest of '05...
Now I just need to work out my mod strategy and justification speech to Mrs. 05_TSX_GP... heck, lots of time to work on those, car's still too green... maybe leave it bonestock for rest of '05...
justification of ms. 05_tsx_gp better mas milage and more power in emergency situations.....
and i would take a wide flattened torque and hp curve over a peaky curve anyday
03-23-2005, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TinkySD
church automotive still needs to change their dyno to avoid confusion.
x 1000000
Dan you should subtract percentage from the bigger number(it will give you a different result) shouldn't it?
Regardless, the gain over just the CAI is impressive. And yes 05_TSX_GP, the peak power isn't what you're going for with this mod. Having that extra 30hp available on every upshift is just
03-23-2005, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dzuy
my car wont be ready until friday (
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Quick observation: comparing the injen only dynapac to the all stock dynapac on hondatas page the low end torque with just an injen really gets
Taewlees baseline at 2700rpm reads about 15lbft less than a stock one at the same level!(different cars so not entire relatable, but interesting at least)
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damn. 2 more days before i get to see my car with hondata. that sucks.
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Originally Posted by NightHawk CL9
good luck not modding for '05, this year looks like a good year for the tsx aftermarket support. i myself said i wouldn't mod until late summer of 2004 (i got mine in dec 2003) an in march 2004 bought the injen cai. by late summer i had cai, lowering springs, wheels and tires. so once u start don't expect to stop.....
justification of ms. 05_tsx_gp better mas milage and more power in emergency situations.....
and i would take a wide flattened torque and hp curve over a peaky curve anyday
justification of ms. 05_tsx_gp better mas milage and more power in emergency situations.....
and i would take a wide flattened torque and hp curve over a peaky curve anyday
I now wonder if virtualbong can keep to his words of keeping the stock quietness till next Summer (that's what he said, right?) I think his is 5AT but then reflash for that must be out very soon anyway.
Now back to subject somewhat
I am really very impressed with the improvement Hondata reflash can make 
Would it so happen that some engineer from Honda actually lurks around these sites? Can he/she answer why Honda doesn't tune the ECU to do this in the first place???
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Originally Posted by taewlee
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/taewlee/peakb4andafter.bmp
Well, I'm happy to say I was officially the 1st tsx customer to be reflashed lol. I had a lot of fun and learned alot spending some quality time with el presidente of hondata. I haven't driven hard as the streets are too crowded during the day for reckless driving. I am also mad tired from lack of sleep. I will talk about it more later, but here is the dyno i promised for now. As for power upgrades, my car only has injen cai.
Special note to potential so cali buyers, so cali users do not have to ship their ecu's in for reflash. Any one near torrance can reflash in 2 1/2 hours at:
Epic Motoring
20926 Normandie Ave.
Torrance, CA 90502
Call Matt Parker at (310) 809 - 7357 for availability
Just letting you so cali people who either want to get it done now or not mess with taking out the ecu. LoL, i dethroned whoever that kept bragging about having the most hps for now until someone with header and intake gets reflash.
Well, I'm happy to say I was officially the 1st tsx customer to be reflashed lol. I had a lot of fun and learned alot spending some quality time with el presidente of hondata. I haven't driven hard as the streets are too crowded during the day for reckless driving. I am also mad tired from lack of sleep. I will talk about it more later, but here is the dyno i promised for now. As for power upgrades, my car only has injen cai.
Special note to potential so cali buyers, so cali users do not have to ship their ecu's in for reflash. Any one near torrance can reflash in 2 1/2 hours at:
Epic Motoring
20926 Normandie Ave.
Torrance, CA 90502
Call Matt Parker at (310) 809 - 7357 for availability
Just letting you so cali people who either want to get it done now or not mess with taking out the ecu. LoL, i dethroned whoever that kept bragging about having the most hps for now until someone with header and intake gets reflash.
03-23-2005, 04:57 PM
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I wonder how much epic motor sports loves hondata? Same day reflashing pretty much can't be beat. I'll for sure be making the trip from san diego when it's time.
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Originally Posted by dzuy
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damn. 2 more days before i get to see my car with hondata. that sucks.
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choi mai taewlee for not hosting a bigger pic.
damn. 2 more days before i get to see my car with hondata. that sucks.
I made the list this time...WAKE UP taewlee! Or whoever in his 'hood go jack his ride for some hands-on review!!!
05_TSX_GP, PW-in-training.
03-23-2005, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
It says flywheel HP but I don't know anymore.
They say a dynapack dyno reads 10hp higher than a dynojet so using that logic, taewlee's car with just the CAI and no reflash put out 182hp. That's too low to be flywheel hp so if you add 15% for driveline loss you end up with 209.3hp which makes sense.
Then if you take the reflash at 196.7hp - 10hp for the dynapack and add 15% you end up with 214.7hp at the flywheel. Also a reasonable number if you look at the graph.
They say a dynapack dyno reads 10hp higher than a dynojet so using that logic, taewlee's car with just the CAI and no reflash put out 182hp. That's too low to be flywheel hp so if you add 15% for driveline loss you end up with 209.3hp which makes sense.
Then if you take the reflash at 196.7hp - 10hp for the dynapack and add 15% you end up with 214.7hp at the flywheel. Also a reasonable number if you look at the graph.
Makes sense.
So it looks as though the Comptech header is good for an extra 10HP.
Itz 3 o'clock in the afternoon here in Cali....!