Klutch Dollaz

I was reading a post about ppl comparing TSX to BMW 3 series and some other models that are out of its class

One thing is that TSX is at the swetspot for the working man. Quick, good on gas, looks good, and oh wait for it RELIABLE

You should compare the two yes the 3 series is a great car and is RWD. So it feels more balanced great. But you get your ass handed to you everytime it breaks. Then you have to pay your mechanic to fix it or even worse the dealer. Only the 330 is more powerful but the 323 or 325 has more torque but not by much
(2004 TSX 164 lbs/ft while 2004 BMW 323 and 325 175 lbs ft)
(2006 TSX 166 lbs/ft while 2004 BMW 323 and 325 185 lbs ft)

Then I see people comparing it too Tl's, Maxima's, G 35(what ), BMW 330's

These cars all have bigger engines plus Tl's and maixma's are powerful but there FWD so they have crazy torque steer(pulling to the right at high speed). FWD drive cars over and around 240 hp all have alot of torque steer. When they get to that level they should be RWD or AWD. This is not the 70's RWD is fine in bad weather with all these traction control, brake assit, skid control that are on modern vechiles like the TSX(i don't mind FWD iin the TSX). I have driven in deep snow in a MUstang with Traction control and it performed like a FWD car no fishtailing at all

Thats is why the TSX is in the sweetspot. You get a just enough power to minizmie torque steer becuase at 200 hp or 205 hp its good power without sacrificing drivability. The BMW has 10-20 more lbs ft of torque thats not anything big. With some mods you could get it that fast and close to the the BM's torque numbers.
Plus you get the Honda relaibility. Which is worth thousands . I have friends with europeans cars Bmw's, Volvo's, Audi's etc. There are nice to look at, handle well but seem to have to visit the shop alot. So if you got the money spend it but I will be laughing all the way to the bank becuaser the TSX does so many things well. While these ero tuners cars handle well, nice to look at and have balls, to maintain them its like having
another girlfriend or mind you PIMp becuase all you do is give your money to the dealer(PIMP) or mechanic(PIMP) to make sure you can use your ride. While the TSX owners enjoy a car that handles well, is quick, not alot of torque steer, great on gas, RELIABLE , looks damm good(too me at least).
So while some of these guys are saying the TSX has low torque and whatever enjoy the sweet ride and good mpg. For the working man if your a Baller or Donald Trump get whatever you want but I know alot of us are regular working ppl

The amount these euro guys spend on repairs is not worth the extra 10-20 lbs ft or torque or horespower.

Dan Martin

The 323i is a great value. It comes very well equipped for $35,600 whereas a base TSX comes in at $39,055. If you add the Sport Package and the Premium package to the 323i, you're at the same base price as the TSX.

Plus you get no charge scheduled maintenance for 4 years / 80,000KM.

The TSX is not the obvious choice in Canada now by any means. It's overpriced by a good $4,000 to $5,000 IMO.

moda_way

Yeah, but blow one of those runflat tires on the BMWs, which isn't covered, and you're making some ground on that cost differential. Not sure about insurance rates, but the BMW is higher her by a good margin.

Those maintenance schedules are a joke too. I wouldn't treat my mower that badly... and its a 2 cycle motor. I also caught BMW with their pants down on a few non-maintenance items and had it printed in their biggest, non-company magazine Bimmer. This applies to other manufacturers as well, but short of a motor or tranny (all part of the schedule), the PS rack has no maintenance schedule. That is especially after 14 yrs in my old BMW. I nearly wrecked in winter when I found out that not only was there barely any PS fluid, what was there was incomprehensably dirty. ATF shouldn't be gray.

I love BMW, but the TSX is a great value.

dom

Isn't a non-Navi TSX with MT $36,100?

I didn't realize a 323 with sport & Prem pack was only 39K. Just build one with Sport and Prem pack along with CD Changer for $40,095. Thought it would have been a lot more. Only available with 16"s though

But still about 4K more than a comparably equipped TSX, no?

Klutch Dollaz

Thats all I was trying to say TSx is a great value. While the BMW 3 series is a great car its expensive to have and maintain. Even if the TSX to buy is a few K more over the vehicle lifetime the TSX will cost you less.

TSX provides alot for the money while if I was going to get a BM 3 seires it would have to be the 330, 335 or M3 (sorry I just wet myself a little lol)

I just notice alot of people buying the Euro cars can't afford to up keep them. There buying it for more the status not becuase there well built cars

Dan Martin

Oops, they changed their website around, so I was looking at the wrong prices. I had the pricing for the AT vs the Bimmer's MT price.

The TSX non-nav with the 5AT is $39,055. The 6MT is $37,775. The 323i including Sport and Premium packages is $39,300 with the 6MT. I'm not sure if the BMW price includes PDI or not, but it's not listed separately so I assume it does.

dom

I'd have to have a look down the list of standard features on both but the Bimmer is most definently competitively priced. I don't think that was the case a few years ago with the 320.

Dan Martin

I had a 320i on order before the TSX came out, but long story short, I switched to the TSX.

If I was ordering today, I'd have a really hard time picking the TSX over the 323i or even the new Altima for that matter. I think it's definitely time for an all-new TSX to hit the market and hopefully they'll bring the pricing more in line with the US.

wenge

Here in the US it's over $8k more to get a 328i similar to my TSX navi, or close when I looked originally. Here too we have no price difference between the MT and the AT on the TSX.

dom

I'm surprised BMW still doesn't offer a 323 in the US. I know it may not fit in with their upscale image but I'd imagine a huge increase in sales by offering a 323. 200HP/180 lb-ft isn't anything to be ashamed of especially considering the previous gen 325 had less of both.

kowloonsniperhk

umm dont think the TSX non-nav/5AT is $39,055. On the Acura website...
the TSX non-nav/5AT is $28,090
the TSX non-nav/MT is $28,090
the TSX nav/5AT is $30,090
the TSX nav/MT is $30,090

hrj

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Yours are US pricing.

wenge

It's stranger than that - the 328i US doesn't have chrome around the window but I beleive the 328i CA does. Etc etc.

Besides maintenance I was annoyed at the nickle-and-dime approach to BMW pricing.

Tsx6363

um since when was there a price diff between the AT and MT? when i bought my car they were both the same price, no more no less..

Dan Martin

Well, if you read the thread, you'd understand that these are Canadian prices, and yes, they do charge more for the AT here.






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