Test drove a TSX today
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Originally posted by civic4982
Please explain, that doesn't seem to make sense. At low speeds the car should roll even less. Only when pushed would it experience body roll.
Please explain, that doesn't seem to make sense. At low speeds the car should roll even less. Only when pushed would it experience body roll.
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Originally posted by civic4982
... so hp = 1/4 mile times and tq = day to day driving?
maybe you should do some research before making bold statements such as that.
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maybe you should do some research before making bold statements such as that.
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Re: Re: Test drove a TSX today
Originally posted by dabuda2004
yup the stock civic is so much faster....
SI - 15.7secs 1/4
TSX - 15.6secs 1/4
is your CL-S lowered?
yup the stock civic is so much faster....
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SI - 15.7secs 1/4
TSX - 15.6secs 1/4
is your CL-S lowered?
Is my CLS lowered? the quote you had right there just said that my car was lowered and had sways.
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Originally posted by fdl
Yes thats right...you dont have to rev the hell out of the TSX as much as an SI to get decent power. I stand by my statement.
Yes thats right...you dont have to rev the hell out of the TSX as much as an SI to get decent power. I stand by my statement.
Do you know ANYTHING about cars?
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Since you obviosuly don't know what you're talking about by that statement I've got a link that will help educate you.
http://ubermensch.org/Cars/Technical/hp-tq
"Horsepower, it turns out, is really only useful as an indicator of a car's top speed."
"torque is what makes our cars quicker (or slower)."
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Originally posted by dabuda2004
additionally, I drove a friend's 03' CL-S last month...yes it has a lot more 'umph' power then the TSX but the CL-S bodyroll is definitely worse
additionally, I drove a friend's 03' CL-S last month...yes it has a lot more 'umph' power then the TSX but the CL-S bodyroll is definitely worse
#47
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Originally posted by civic4982
I've ran a civic SI stock as low as 15.4 on a cold (50 degree) night back in February of 2000. Not "so much" faster but yes, I feel as if it was faster than the TSX.
Is my CLS lowered? the quote you had right there just said that my car was lowered and had sways.
I've ran a civic SI stock as low as 15.4 on a cold (50 degree) night back in February of 2000. Not "so much" faster but yes, I feel as if it was faster than the TSX.
Is my CLS lowered? the quote you had right there just said that my car was lowered and had sways.
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if you feel the civic is faster then that's your opinion, never had a civic si so dont know...personally feel like my lude is faster then the TSX as well but i still feel the TSX has enough power
the main thing that confuses me is your remark "Where's the power at?"...even with your civic time of 15.4 its only a little faster than the TSX...obviously the TSX has considerable power considering the 4banger and curb weight ...
oh well everyone has their own opinion, glad you're enjoying ur CLS
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dabuda: I'm sorry for the confusion... what I meant by "where's the power at?" was snubbed later by the fact that it has a flat tq curve. The car doesn't FEEL fast is what I meant. Problem solved.
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Originally posted by RogerPodacter
civic4982, I agree with fdl on this one and i think this exact topic has been discussed on here before...HP reins supreme, IMO.
civic4982, I agree with fdl on this one and i think this exact topic has been discussed on here before...HP reins supreme, IMO.
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I'm curious about the extent of your test drive. It could be that you didn't get the full flavor of the car.
BTW the "power" of the TSX is very much in line with the rest of the competition...and that ain't the Civic! However, if you're hung up on torque you might spend some time in the Saab 9-3, which is a competitor of the TSX. It comes highly rated in torque by our good friend 93kewl. The TSX is not a torque monster but the power is fine.
BTW you really took the article out of context to oversimplified the hp/torque quote.
This is the whole quote:
A car's performance isn't as cut and dry as simple peak horsepower and torque statistics. It's mainly a result of the area under an engine's torque curve, a car's weight, and its gearing. Horsepower, it turns out, is really only useful as an indicator of a car's top speed. However, because of the relationship between torque and power, horsepower can also be used as an indicator of the engine's torque band. In the real world, though, the best way to figure out a car's performance is to drive it, or read results from others who have driven it.
BTW the "power" of the TSX is very much in line with the rest of the competition...and that ain't the Civic! However, if you're hung up on torque you might spend some time in the Saab 9-3, which is a competitor of the TSX. It comes highly rated in torque by our good friend 93kewl. The TSX is not a torque monster but the power is fine.
BTW you really took the article out of context to oversimplified the hp/torque quote.
This is the whole quote:
A car's performance isn't as cut and dry as simple peak horsepower and torque statistics. It's mainly a result of the area under an engine's torque curve, a car's weight, and its gearing. Horsepower, it turns out, is really only useful as an indicator of a car's top speed. However, because of the relationship between torque and power, horsepower can also be used as an indicator of the engine's torque band. In the real world, though, the best way to figure out a car's performance is to drive it, or read results from others who have driven it.
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The only comment I'll make is maybe the term "floaty" is a little vague.
What I find with my TSX is that it feels like more of a 2-stage suspension setup.
For example, putzing around town through suburbia at 35mph it exhibits body roll and general gives a more "luxo" ride.
Then I start pushing and really attacking the turns. I still get the roll up to a point, then it seems to really firm up and turn into more of a "sport" suspension.
I almost think of it as an old VTEC system for suspension. You've got your everyday driving "mode" (non-VTEC) and the grab-the-handles "mode" (VTEC). It's kind of an odd feeling, but it proves itself.
As far as acceleration. There's no real "punch" to the car due the linearity or the HP/TQ curves. It's fast, but not a real speed demon like others. I've driven other cars with more low end and they were a lot more fun just because it felt "punchier". even though it had significantly less top end or max HP/TQ.
But overall, if you'd like my comments, find the car that suits you the best. The TSX is NOT a 4-door RSX and never aspires to be. When I was shopping I had basically narrowed it down to an Accord V6 auto and a TSX 6MT. The two cars are very similar, but I prefered the ride of the TSX. Not to mention I still like I-4s. And the TSX is perfect for someone like me...I was looking for a car that was a daily driver with usable back seats that could handle being pushed and not be disappointing. I've driven a Civic Si as well. Similar performance, but totally different feel...it is more fun...but lacks good back seats, etc. etc.
What I find with my TSX is that it feels like more of a 2-stage suspension setup.
For example, putzing around town through suburbia at 35mph it exhibits body roll and general gives a more "luxo" ride.
Then I start pushing and really attacking the turns. I still get the roll up to a point, then it seems to really firm up and turn into more of a "sport" suspension.
I almost think of it as an old VTEC system for suspension. You've got your everyday driving "mode" (non-VTEC) and the grab-the-handles "mode" (VTEC). It's kind of an odd feeling, but it proves itself.
As far as acceleration. There's no real "punch" to the car due the linearity or the HP/TQ curves. It's fast, but not a real speed demon like others. I've driven other cars with more low end and they were a lot more fun just because it felt "punchier". even though it had significantly less top end or max HP/TQ.
But overall, if you'd like my comments, find the car that suits you the best. The TSX is NOT a 4-door RSX and never aspires to be. When I was shopping I had basically narrowed it down to an Accord V6 auto and a TSX 6MT. The two cars are very similar, but I prefered the ride of the TSX. Not to mention I still like I-4s. And the TSX is perfect for someone like me...I was looking for a car that was a daily driver with usable back seats that could handle being pushed and not be disappointing. I've driven a Civic Si as well. Similar performance, but totally different feel...it is more fun...but lacks good back seats, etc. etc.
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lung fu mo shi:
could be right about the suspension being in 2 stages though it'd be hard to believe how that is possible.
TSX is definitely diff car than the civic.
"floaty" is as vague as "luxo". I later redefined floaty as contributing to a lot of body roll.
Santacruz: If you'll read on to the conclusion you'll see where it says TQ is what truly accelerates the wheels on a car. Power is what work the car is doing when holding a specific speed. The quotes I chose were enough to stomp out FDL's illusion on what HP and TQ really are. Gearing and is also a phenomenally important part in contribution to acceleration however the line FDL said was completely unfounded and untrue. A myth he'd come up with on his own.
Again I'll say that these are facts and don't even need discussion. I was just bringing them to the awareness of others who may not already know.
could be right about the suspension being in 2 stages though it'd be hard to believe how that is possible.
TSX is definitely diff car than the civic.
"floaty" is as vague as "luxo". I later redefined floaty as contributing to a lot of body roll.
Santacruz: If you'll read on to the conclusion you'll see where it says TQ is what truly accelerates the wheels on a car. Power is what work the car is doing when holding a specific speed. The quotes I chose were enough to stomp out FDL's illusion on what HP and TQ really are. Gearing and is also a phenomenally important part in contribution to acceleration however the line FDL said was completely unfounded and untrue. A myth he'd come up with on his own.
Again I'll say that these are facts and don't even need discussion. I was just bringing them to the awareness of others who may not already know.
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Originally posted by civic4982
lung fu mo shi:
could be right about the suspension being in 2 stages though it'd be hard to believe how that is possible.
lung fu mo shi:
could be right about the suspension being in 2 stages though it'd be hard to believe how that is possible.
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Originally posted by civic4982
dabuda: I'm sorry for the confusion... what I meant by "where's the power at?" was snubbed later by the fact that it has a flat tq curve. The car doesn't FEEL fast is what I meant. Problem solved.
dabuda: I'm sorry for the confusion... what I meant by "where's the power at?" was snubbed later by the fact that it has a flat tq curve. The car doesn't FEEL fast is what I meant. Problem solved.
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Originally posted by civic4982
Please explain this statement that you so vehemently stand behind. Let's start with the 1st one. HP = 1/4 mile. Find me one article that has ever stated that besides what some guy told you.
Do you know ANYTHING about cars?
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Since you obviosuly don't know what you're talking about by that statement I've got a link that will help educate you.
http://ubermensch.org/Cars/Technical/hp-tq
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Please explain this statement that you so vehemently stand behind. Let's start with the 1st one. HP = 1/4 mile. Find me one article that has ever stated that besides what some guy told you.
Do you know ANYTHING about cars?
EDIT:
Since you obviosuly don't know what you're talking about by that statement I've got a link that will help educate you.
http://ubermensch.org/Cars/Technical/hp-tq
Class dismissed...
First of all, torque and horsepower are related. The more torque you have at a given rpm the more hp you will have. So its not one vs the other. They are interelated...but its HP that truely defines your 1/4 time. How is it that a low torque integra type-r can pull high 14's in the quarter mile? Horsepower.(Are we learning yet???) Now given our formula for hp (torque x rpm/ 5252) to get more horsepower we can do 2 things.....increase torque...or increase rpms. Honda uses the latter...but the end result is the same...HP. Now lets say a type R came with 180 foot lbs of torque peak (wow!) but only revved to 5000 rpms. TO keep things simple we'll assume peak torque is acheived at max rpmos. So 180 x 5000 / 5252 gives us about 171 hp. All else being equal..who do you think will win in a 1/4 race? I'lll tell you ... the 190 hp type-R will, even though it thas less torque.
Yes the lower torque car will suffer greatly at low rpms...why? Because it will have less hp. Why? because again using the formula...its low torque x low rpm / 5252 will result in much less hp down low...vs the higher hp of our 180 ft-lb type-r. But in a 1/4 race...when the revves are kept real high and we can make our peak hp...the lower torque car is faster.
Are we learning yet?
So to conclude... hp will dicate how fast you can go. You can use torque to increase your hp yes, or you can use rpms. And my origional point was that the TSX with its more torque will be much quicker down low. So i guess in your stupidity you actually agreed with me anyways.
P.S. Your basic 1/4 mile calculater (there are many on the net) needs 2 peices of information. HP and weight. I wonder why this is?? hmm....
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...then again, this thread is :ghey:
Civic dude: No need to start out on the forum blasting on how floaty and slow the TSX is. (sounds trollish) Try a few more test drives and keep the rpm's up. Regardless of feeling it or not -- this car sneeks up on you. I was doing 70 in a 45 yesterday and it felt like I was going 35.
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I think the flat torque "curve" is inherent of the k-series motors though. Now, as far as VTEC being sort of hidden, I remember in my 99 Civic coupe that had SOHC VTEC, I could hear the changeover in that car and it sounded like a high pitched whine. In my 2002 Si, I can't hear it at all. It's there, but it isn't night & day like it was in the B series motors. That said, I'd rather have the torque characteristics of the K motors than the boy-racer screams from the B motors. If I wanted that noise I'd buy another CAI and a fartpipe.
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With your head up in your ass you must not have realized that in actuality you agreed with me.
I won't waste any more of my time but to end this with your great quote.
by "day to day driving" and "tq on tap" you must mean acceleration which is very similar if not *gasp* the same as accelerating down a 1320.
Maybe you should think about spending some money on education. Take a mech e. class or take a physics class at your local community college.
until then, keep convincing yourself you know WTF you're talking about.
CliffNotes Version: TSX is a nice and well built car though it does not feel all that fast due to it's falt tq curve which are all
. The body rolls a lot more than expected and is not as much of a benchmark as people have made it out to be.
FDL likes to pull stuff from his ass and should think before speaking.
Thanks have a goodnight.
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I won't waste any more of my time but to end this with your great quote.
Originally posted by fdl What about torque to weight? which is what really counts in most situations.
Originally posted by fdl but IMO torque to weight will show you you more realistic performance...on other words...having that torque on tap for day to day driving, or for rolling starts.
Maybe you should think about spending some money on education. Take a mech e. class or take a physics class at your local community college.
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until then, keep convincing yourself you know WTF you're talking about.
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CliffNotes Version: TSX is a nice and well built car though it does not feel all that fast due to it's falt tq curve which are all
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FDL likes to pull stuff from his ass and should think before speaking.
Thanks have a goodnight.
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'LeeLee' had a great explaination, and credible one at that on torque and hp. and here's the URL:
Torque vs HP
And by the way, civic4982, I think TSX is not the best handling car the money can buy. But it's of best balance and value (thought that's what Acura wants us to think of it). In comparison, RSX does have a higher cornering ability, and nimbler. But If you had more time with TSX, I'm pretty sure you'll appreciate the overall balance.
In contrary to your opinion, I thought TSX did pretty good in controlling body motion. The suspension damping is really something most others can't beat or match (not even an Audi A4 with sport suspension pkg). Anyways, just my opinion.
Torque vs HP
And by the way, civic4982, I think TSX is not the best handling car the money can buy. But it's of best balance and value (thought that's what Acura wants us to think of it). In comparison, RSX does have a higher cornering ability, and nimbler. But If you had more time with TSX, I'm pretty sure you'll appreciate the overall balance.
In contrary to your opinion, I thought TSX did pretty good in controlling body motion. The suspension damping is really something most others can't beat or match (not even an Audi A4 with sport suspension pkg). Anyways, just my opinion.
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Originally posted by Lung Fu Mo Shi
The only comment I'll make is maybe the term "floaty" is a little vague.
What I find with my TSX is that it feels like more of a 2-stage suspension setup.
For example, putzing around town through suburbia at 35mph it exhibits body roll and general gives a more "luxo" ride.
Then I start pushing and really attacking the turns. I still get the roll up to a point, then it seems to really firm up and turn into more of a "sport" suspension.
I almost think of it as an old VTEC system for suspension. You've got your everyday driving "mode" (non-VTEC) and the grab-the-handles "mode" (VTEC). It's kind of an odd feeling, but it proves itself.
As far as acceleration. There's no real "punch" to the car due the linearity or the HP/TQ curves. It's fast, but not a real speed demon like others. I've driven other cars with more low end and they were a lot more fun just because it felt "punchier". even though it had significantly less top end or max HP/TQ.
But overall, if you'd like my comments, find the car that suits you the best. The TSX is NOT a 4-door RSX and never aspires to be. When I was shopping I had basically narrowed it down to an Accord V6 auto and a TSX 6MT. The two cars are very similar, but I prefered the ride of the TSX. Not to mention I still like I-4s. And the TSX is perfect for someone like me...I was looking for a car that was a daily driver with usable back seats that could handle being pushed and not be disappointing. I've driven a Civic Si as well. Similar performance, but totally different feel...it is more fun...but lacks good back seats, etc. etc.
The only comment I'll make is maybe the term "floaty" is a little vague.
What I find with my TSX is that it feels like more of a 2-stage suspension setup.
For example, putzing around town through suburbia at 35mph it exhibits body roll and general gives a more "luxo" ride.
Then I start pushing and really attacking the turns. I still get the roll up to a point, then it seems to really firm up and turn into more of a "sport" suspension.
I almost think of it as an old VTEC system for suspension. You've got your everyday driving "mode" (non-VTEC) and the grab-the-handles "mode" (VTEC). It's kind of an odd feeling, but it proves itself.
As far as acceleration. There's no real "punch" to the car due the linearity or the HP/TQ curves. It's fast, but not a real speed demon like others. I've driven other cars with more low end and they were a lot more fun just because it felt "punchier". even though it had significantly less top end or max HP/TQ.
But overall, if you'd like my comments, find the car that suits you the best. The TSX is NOT a 4-door RSX and never aspires to be. When I was shopping I had basically narrowed it down to an Accord V6 auto and a TSX 6MT. The two cars are very similar, but I prefered the ride of the TSX. Not to mention I still like I-4s. And the TSX is perfect for someone like me...I was looking for a car that was a daily driver with usable back seats that could handle being pushed and not be disappointing. I've driven a Civic Si as well. Similar performance, but totally different feel...it is more fun...but lacks good back seats, etc. etc.
And Civic, I don't think anyone here has claimed the TSX is THE benchmark for sport sedans, but its damn close and for alot less money than the competition, thats the cars true appeal.
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Originally posted by civic4982
With your head up in your ass you must not have realized that in actuality you agreed with me.
I won't waste any more of my time but to end this with your great quote.
by "day to day driving" and "tq on tap" you must mean acceleration which is very similar if not *gasp* the same as accelerating down a 1320.
Maybe you should think about spending some money on education. Take a mech e. class or take a physics class at your local community college.
until then, keep convincing yourself you know WTF you're talking about.
CliffNotes Version: TSX is a nice and well built car though it does not feel all that fast due to it's falt tq curve which are all
. The body rolls a lot more than expected and is not as much of a benchmark as people have made it out to be.
FDL likes to pull stuff from his ass and should think before speaking.
Thanks have a goodnight.
With your head up in your ass you must not have realized that in actuality you agreed with me.
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I won't waste any more of my time but to end this with your great quote.
by "day to day driving" and "tq on tap" you must mean acceleration which is very similar if not *gasp* the same as accelerating down a 1320.
Maybe you should think about spending some money on education. Take a mech e. class or take a physics class at your local community college.
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until then, keep convincing yourself you know WTF you're talking about.
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CliffNotes Version: TSX is a nice and well built car though it does not feel all that fast due to it's falt tq curve which are all
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FDL likes to pull stuff from his ass and should think before speaking.
Thanks have a goodnight.
And by day to day driving..i mean LOW RPM driving. IN other words...you'll need more torque to acheive higher HP since the rpms are so low (remember the formula i taught you in class)? And this is what is good about the TSX...its got ample torque down low, buts its the 200 hp at high rpms that will help it in a racing situation.
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I was going to post something about torque and HP, but alas the thread has taken so many turns that to sort it all out would require a post that is fairly unreadable.
The TSX is fast and it is refined. That's all that really matters because it is the goal of the TSX's designers.
The TSX is fast and it is refined. That's all that really matters because it is the goal of the TSX's designers.
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civic4982,
I beleive fdl is right on the money with his TQ/HP post. And as a matter of fact, yes i have taken many Mech E classes. I graduated from Penn State with an Engineering Degree 2 years ago.
I beleive fdl is right on the money with his TQ/HP post. And as a matter of fact, yes i have taken many Mech E classes. I graduated from Penn State with an Engineering Degree 2 years ago.
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Originally posted by LeeLee
I was going to post something about torque and HP, but alas the thread has taken so many turns that to sort it all out would require a post that is fairly unreadable.
The TSX is fast and it is refined. That's all that really matters because it is the goal of the TSX's designers.
I was going to post something about torque and HP, but alas the thread has taken so many turns that to sort it all out would require a post that is fairly unreadable.
The TSX is fast and it is refined. That's all that really matters because it is the goal of the TSX's designers.
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Wow, this thread is hoppin'.
Civic dude, I think you had very high expectations of the TSX and found them to be lower then expected. And good for you, that just means you want a very aggressive car, which the TSX just can't touch.
On the handling thing, I don't think it rides on rails as some people will say, but it isn't sluggish in the least bit. I think you need to drive other comparable sedans and see why people like the handling (the ONLY other compact entry lux sedans that handle better is the A4/S4 and the 330/M3). You can't even come close to comparing this car to the new Accord which floats quite a bit (and don't make me talk about the Camry... sheesh). Finally, the value of the car compared to its euro equivalents is outstanding, with its low price (but giving up a RWD platform) and low maintenace cost (get a sour Audi and you'll know what I mean).
Finally, you seem like a younger driver who likes the zip of the Si. I think that with the quarter mile stated for the Si, it's just the feeling of speed that is the difference. When I was in a M5 two years ago (in Amsterdam/Denmark, borrowing my friend's dad's car), I had to check the speedometer over and over again, because I was doing 100~110mph while never feeling that I was going that fast. And that is the point of high-lux euro brands. You'll never feel like your in a rush with a beemer or an audi, it's just smooth. All the cars you've listed as a comparo are Japanese branded cars with very different characteristics. I remember my Integra GS-R always felt like a rocket, though the times never matched my experience. The new TSX and TL are chasing after the euro market now and trying to match those euro characters and shedding itself of it's "Honda" characteristics.
Whee, that was a lot o' ranting.
Oh, and the HP and Torque discussion? The best example that I can give is a formula one engine and a dump truck engine. Almost nil torque and all HP, with hi rev points for peak power, they need to be stomped on to get going, but once the engines are rolling, the power is off the charts. The dump truck has high torque and moderate HP, with low rev point for peak power, they get the heavy car to get going with good time, but can't reach very high speeds. From what I've learned, torque is needed at lower revs for acceleration and HP really gives the peak capability of the engine's performance.
Okay, I'm off the soap box.
Junkster, who thinks this thread was actually fun and exciting to read through...
Civic dude, I think you had very high expectations of the TSX and found them to be lower then expected. And good for you, that just means you want a very aggressive car, which the TSX just can't touch.
On the handling thing, I don't think it rides on rails as some people will say, but it isn't sluggish in the least bit. I think you need to drive other comparable sedans and see why people like the handling (the ONLY other compact entry lux sedans that handle better is the A4/S4 and the 330/M3). You can't even come close to comparing this car to the new Accord which floats quite a bit (and don't make me talk about the Camry... sheesh). Finally, the value of the car compared to its euro equivalents is outstanding, with its low price (but giving up a RWD platform) and low maintenace cost (get a sour Audi and you'll know what I mean).
Finally, you seem like a younger driver who likes the zip of the Si. I think that with the quarter mile stated for the Si, it's just the feeling of speed that is the difference. When I was in a M5 two years ago (in Amsterdam/Denmark, borrowing my friend's dad's car), I had to check the speedometer over and over again, because I was doing 100~110mph while never feeling that I was going that fast. And that is the point of high-lux euro brands. You'll never feel like your in a rush with a beemer or an audi, it's just smooth. All the cars you've listed as a comparo are Japanese branded cars with very different characteristics. I remember my Integra GS-R always felt like a rocket, though the times never matched my experience. The new TSX and TL are chasing after the euro market now and trying to match those euro characters and shedding itself of it's "Honda" characteristics.
Whee, that was a lot o' ranting.
Oh, and the HP and Torque discussion? The best example that I can give is a formula one engine and a dump truck engine. Almost nil torque and all HP, with hi rev points for peak power, they need to be stomped on to get going, but once the engines are rolling, the power is off the charts. The dump truck has high torque and moderate HP, with low rev point for peak power, they get the heavy car to get going with good time, but can't reach very high speeds. From what I've learned, torque is needed at lower revs for acceleration and HP really gives the peak capability of the engine's performance.
Okay, I'm off the soap box.
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Originally posted by accsueprstar
hey civic ill let you drive my tsx sometime![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
oh btw, i saw your cls on west campus today for UAS. looks sweet. love the lip
hey civic ill let you drive my tsx sometime
![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
oh btw, i saw your cls on west campus today for UAS. looks sweet. love the lip
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