what you guys think the position of the sport shift + - location?.. i would like to see a swith, which is pull back for shift up, pull up to shift down.

 

that would just be weird.

 

mazda 6 is that way.

 

so is bmw

 

Push forward should be klower gear, pull back for higher. It's the standard.

 

for a MT driver its both, so who's to say which is better

 

On my 2001 Eclipse with the Sportronic transaxle there's a way for me to switch two plugs to be able to downshift when tapping forward and upshift when tapping backwards.

I never did it since Im used to using sequential manual transmissions in Formula Dodge's.

Im sure the TSX's autostick can be made to work backwards.

 

I agree. Think about hard barking. The car squats forward, yet to downshift you have to pull back. Its counter productive. Still no biggie though.

 

I never understood all the cars that have the sportshift as it is on the TSX. Makes no sense at all...

All rally cars (for that fact all race cars) use the opposite.

As domn said... logically... pull back to upshift because you are being forced back in your seat during acceleration... push forward under braking as you are being pushed forward because of your momentum.

So the designers got it all wrong.

 

Two things.
1. Most rally cars use paddle shifted transmissions now and no longer rely on the forward-backward motion for gear shifting.

2. The cars are being developed for a public that associates forward with progress and thus, tap forward for upshift, tap backward for downshift. It is only the truly automotive minded that would consider the hard braking/acceleration when thinking about the shifting.

 

Now that I think about it, paddle-shifters always pull back to gear up and push in to shift down. But still for some reason I think that stick shifts should push forward for gear up and back for gearing down.

 

Actually, paddleshifters are always pull left for downshift, pull right for upshift.

 

I was thinking of rally padddle shifters....

 

Is'nt paddle shifting pull up (towards you) for both downshifting and upshifting? Up on the left of the steering wheel, down on the right, or vice versa?

Thats how it is on my Logitech Wingman Steering wheel.

 

In the rally cars I've seen they usually have a ring that runs the circumference of the wheel and you pull it forward for upshift and push it back for downshift. You're right about the left/right paddles though....

 

Hey Dan, which rally cars have you seen that in? The last few WRC races I watched, the Peugot 206, Citroen Xsara, Ford Focus, Subaru WRX, and I'm sure others that I'm not mentioning all had two separate paddles on the back of the steering wheel that turned with the wheel. The only car that didn't have the paddle shifter was the new Seat. It was still using the traditional stick-shifted sequential gearbox.

 

you must play 1st person shooter games without inverting the controls...

 

last time i checked... Indy and Champ cars use a pull back action to upshift... push forward to downshift.

the worst sport shifters that i've seen are the ones that operate from side to side... lame.

 

DEVO, you're right about the Indy and Champ cars, but that's not directly relevant to the rally car question. Agreed on the side to side shifting. And I yes, I don't invert the controls on FPSs.

 

but even the shifters on rally cars or F1 cars have pull back to upshift... push forward to downshift... or right paddle upshift... left downshift.

 

F1 cars are set up with paddles. Check out this link. http://www.gunpowder.freeserve.co.uk...es/ferrari.jpg

 

Just FYI CG, did you know that one F1 steering wheel costs $30,000 to build?!

 

Haha...maybe they'll gimme one for my TSX?

I kinda had an inkling that it was expensive but

 

that's what i said... or they have left and right paddles. and some have buttons... and last year they didn't have to shift.

 

Yeah, this one took me a little while to get used to. To me its counterintuitive to push forward to upshift and pull back to downshift. I kept doing the opposite when I first got the TSX. Coming from driving my Integra MT I associated the shifting with going from 1-2 when upshifting (most common upshift for me). Nothing worse when you're breaking-in the engine using sportshift, you let the revs build a bit and then you want to shift up and instead you go to like 6000 RPM. WHOA, not a good surprise.

 

I just noticed that the Audi DSG has the same +/- arrangement as the TSX. That's one cool gearbox!

 

Oops, my bad. Your excessive use of ellipsis led me to believe you were not making a direct statement, but rather you were trailing off a thought.

Dan, that DSG would be the ultimate addition to the 5AT TSX. Think we could start a petition to get Acura to add one for the 2006 or 2007 model year?

 

I'd sign that petition CG!

 

For anyone who doesn't know what the DSG transmission is all about, there's an excellent article over at VWVortex: http://vortex3.rely.net/artman/publi...icle_317.shtml

 

The new WRC races:

'04 Peugot 307 = circumferencial ring. Pull to upsift, push to downshift. The 206 was the same way.

Citroen Xsara = paddles. Right to upshift, left to downshift

Ford Focus = same as Citroen

Subaru Impreza = same as Citroen

'04 Mistubishi Evolution = Old style side mounted stick. Pull to upshift, push to downshift.

 

Is Mitsu now back in WRC?

 

Yes. Brand new car, but it's not doing very well. Hyundai's out, and so is Skoda (for at least half the season).

 

Yeah, I don't know how non-inverted FPS players can live normal lives . But I'm a freak - inverted FPS, but likes the TSX arrangement. Some other random SS observations:

- Did Nissan and Mazda forget to convert their shifters for LHD? The "M" gate is right of "D" so the lever is pointing away from you in manual mode.

- What's with the M-B left / right motion?

- Stupidest of all is Chevy with the thumb toggle switch on the shifter (Malibu).

 

I think it should be user-configurable. It looks like some people think the current way is intuitive and others (including me) think it's counterintuitive. So, they should allow you to choose. If you want to pull back to upshift, you select that option. Seems like it wouldn't be that hard to accomplish.

 

yeup... only for liability that ain't going to happen. say I just got done borrowing your car. i invert the switch and don't tell you. you get in and drive off without realizing that i have inverted the switch, something happens (insert problem here). who is to blame? in this day and age, nobody is going to risk it.