Park with e-brake or in gear?
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Originally Posted by DAYTA
Was the accident because you parked in gear and forgot, or because you parked in neutral and the car rolled away?
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Originally Posted by rambalu80
That is very true if you were driving a car over 10 or 15 years old. On all MT's after 90 (I think) you cannot start the car without pressing the clutch. However it wouldn't hurt if you're a newbie.
I'm sure there are a lot of people who start their cars in 1st gear or 2nd gear, however they parked.
I'm sure there are a lot of people who start their cars in 1st gear or 2nd gear, however they parked.
#83
Those of you concerned about stressing the tranny by resting the weight of the car on it while parked on a hill need not worry.
The engine goes through far more stressful conditions during combustion. You aren't going to damage a thing.
The engine goes through far more stressful conditions during combustion. You aren't going to damage a thing.
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
I can't deal with the idiocy of some people.
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So that guy is an idiot for asking our advice or for not being satisfied with the other thread? Sorry for the joke, I just hate it when people talk down to new members for no reason whatsoever.
And i'm still sticking by what i said, in the absolite nicest way possible. He should have bumped the original thread he said he found instead of starting a new one.
(sorry about the backseat modding Bond and CG, it just sort of erupted...didn't mean it to happen as i'm sure you can see.)
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gibson is right, but since some wrong opinions have been posted on this thread i'll add the right one:
Park in gear every time. In our car, use reverse (the gear ratio is a touch shorter in reverse than first, but first is okay too -- which way you are facing on the hill does NOT matter). Leave your parking brake up too.
If your car rolls away for any reason and hits something and it was not in gear OR the handbrake was not set, your insurance will raise your rates as for an at-fault accident. You are considered negligent if you have not done both of these things.
You will not damage your engine by parking in gear. The force of gravity on the car is not even enough to move the pistons (this is the reason to park in gear in the first place) -- how could it possibly compare with the stresses of actual driving? If you want to eliminate the tiny amount of strain on the clutch (and replace it with a tiny amount of strain on the rear brakes, though the tiny amount of strain will not wear either part any appreciable amount) you can set the parking brake while keeping your foot on the foot brake.
You will not start the car while it is still in gear unless you mod your car to circumvent the safety cutout -- I never put my stick in neutral before starting, because I cannot start the car without the clutch pedal fully depressed whether the stick is in neutral or not. Try it and see! Our car doesn't require it, but it's a good idea to have your foot on the brake too.
Park in gear every time. In our car, use reverse (the gear ratio is a touch shorter in reverse than first, but first is okay too -- which way you are facing on the hill does NOT matter). Leave your parking brake up too.
If your car rolls away for any reason and hits something and it was not in gear OR the handbrake was not set, your insurance will raise your rates as for an at-fault accident. You are considered negligent if you have not done both of these things.
You will not damage your engine by parking in gear. The force of gravity on the car is not even enough to move the pistons (this is the reason to park in gear in the first place) -- how could it possibly compare with the stresses of actual driving? If you want to eliminate the tiny amount of strain on the clutch (and replace it with a tiny amount of strain on the rear brakes, though the tiny amount of strain will not wear either part any appreciable amount) you can set the parking brake while keeping your foot on the foot brake.
You will not start the car while it is still in gear unless you mod your car to circumvent the safety cutout -- I never put my stick in neutral before starting, because I cannot start the car without the clutch pedal fully depressed whether the stick is in neutral or not. Try it and see! Our car doesn't require it, but it's a good idea to have your foot on the brake too.
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Originally Posted by BusyShifter
Parked in neutral on a downward slope, pull the hand break to the point that there was no movement, but my car rolled anyway after I left .
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
This is why you're supposed to turn your wheels when you park on a slope. If the parking brake does fail, then the tires will touch the curb and the car will come to a rest.
#91
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Originally Posted by aaronng
As a newbie to manual, I'll teach you something very important.
Before you start your car, always jiggle the gearstick left and right. If it moves, then it is in neutral. If it doesn't, then it is in gear and you should put it in neutral. This jiggling is probably taken for granted by seasoned MT drivers that they forget to teach it to you.
Before you start your car, always jiggle the gearstick left and right. If it moves, then it is in neutral. If it doesn't, then it is in gear and you should put it in neutral. This jiggling is probably taken for granted by seasoned MT drivers that they forget to teach it to you.
I never start my car in neutral
Clutch in, and start in whatever gear you want. Then move to neutral if you want to take your foot off the clutch.
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Flat ground = neutral w/ ebrake.... people that put it in 1st or reverse on flat ground are idiots....however on a hill facing up 1st gear w/ brake and wheels toward the curb...down hill reverse w/ brake and wheenls toward the curb. Now a days car ebrakes tend not too fail
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Originally Posted by anticd70
Flat ground = neutral w/ ebrake.... people that put it in 1st or reverse on flat ground are idiots....however on a hill facing up 1st gear w/ brake and wheels toward the curb...down hill reverse w/ brake and wheenls toward the curb. Now a days car ebrakes tend not too fail
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I start with neutral and e-brake. I do park with the car in gear, but I switch to neutral before starting. It's easy enough to start the car with the clutch pedal in, but if you're distracted (like trying to hit the stupid "OK" button on the navi), it's easy enough to not notice your foot slowly lifting up off of the clutch. My baby brother has seen my car jerk forward 3 times...enough to warrant jokes from time to time.
Why start it in gear anyway? I like to sit for a minute to let all the oil start flowing through the engine again...and I'd be crazy to keep my foot on the clutch that whole time.
Besides...what's the difference with the car in gear and not in gear if the clutch pedal is in? They'll both roll.
Why start it in gear anyway? I like to sit for a minute to let all the oil start flowing through the engine again...and I'd be crazy to keep my foot on the clutch that whole time.
Besides...what's the difference with the car in gear and not in gear if the clutch pedal is in? They'll both roll.
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Originally Posted by DAYTA
I understand that the parking brake will wear down over time, but how long do you think that will take before the car just rolls off on its own???
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Originally Posted by anticd70
Flat ground = neutral w/ ebrake.... people that put it in 1st or reverse on flat ground are idiots
....however on a hill facing up 1st gear w/ brake and wheels toward the curb...down hill reverse w/ brake and wheenls toward the curb. Now a days car ebrakes tend not too fail
And emergency brakes have always tended not to fail. It's also true that engines tend not to lose compression suddenly while parked, so setting the hand brake when parking shouldn't be necessary at all. But it is irresponsible and negligent not to take both of these zero-cost safety measures when you are not able to supervise your car.
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Originally Posted by SoCaliTrojan
The parking brake handle just manually engages the rear brakes. I believe the loosening of the brake handle is due to the cable, which can be retightened (at least on older cars).
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Originally Posted by SoCaliTrojan
Why start it in gear anyway? I like to sit for a minute to let all the oil start flowing through the engine again...and I'd be crazy to keep my foot on the clutch that whole time.
Besides...what's the difference with the car in gear and not in gear if the clutch pedal is in? They'll both roll.
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Originally Posted by jpt
The cable will eventually loosen over time in all cars; the cable has to be under very high tension in order to squeeze the brake pads against the rotors hard enough to keep your car stopped, and any flexible cable under tension will eventually stretch.
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
This is why you're supposed to turn your wheels when you park on a slope. If the parking brake does fail, then the tires will touch the curb and the car will come to a rest.
Originally Posted by fdl
Driving 101. Its also the reason to put your car in gear when you park
#102
Originally Posted by TSXsurf
I have firsthand experience of my TSX e-brake slipping and the car rolling out of a parking space. Thankfully the car didn't roll very far back because the parking lot leveled out, but that was a quick reminder that you should ALWAYS put it in gear.
My very first manual car, came home one night from the gym and parked it on my driveway, which is on an incline. Pulled the rear brakes and went in to take a shower. Then came back out to go out and when I started to open the garage door, my car wasn't there. I started cursing and thought my car was stolen and stolen in a matter of thirty minutes. Mind you it is dark outside. Then I walk a bit more torwards the driveway and what you know, my car had rolled out into the middle of the street and just sat there blocking the road. Thank god, it didn't roll into a car or anything, but from that day on, my manual cars are put into gear when I park.
#105
Originally Posted by jpt
Park in gear every time. In our car, use reverse (the gear ratio is a touch shorter in reverse than first, but first is okay too -- which way you are facing on the hill does NOT matter).
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