View Poll Results: Swap for an 06?
Yeah, I'll think about swapping mine for an 06
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25.93%
Hell no, the changes weren't that great.
80
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Now that we know the 06 changes...
08-03-2005 | 11:52 AM
#43
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From: NoVA
Originally Posted by Black_6spd
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Even if the HP figure IS 220hp under the older HP calc method, I'm pretty sure the change is even more significant than the numbers say. It seems that they may have eliminated the power dip of 04/05 models and may have a more continuous curve all the way to 7000 rpm.
Although I haven't voted, I'm leaning toward trading-in being the better option. If you're satisfied with your 05/04, stay put. If not, you might end up chasing all the enhancements of the 2006 and end up spending more money in the long run with a lower trade-in value.
The same logic could be appied to a friend of mine who owned a 94 Integra LS. He loved the Integra GSR so much, he ended up swapping his motor and buying a bunch of other aftermarket parts when he was better off simply trading in his LS for a GSR. With the stock GSR, he has better reliability, better resale, smog legal, and of course, less money spent overall.
Even if the HP figure IS 220hp under the older HP calc method, I'm pretty sure the change is even more significant than the numbers say. It seems that they may have eliminated the power dip of 04/05 models and may have a more continuous curve all the way to 7000 rpm.
Although I haven't voted, I'm leaning toward trading-in being the better option. If you're satisfied with your 05/04, stay put. If not, you might end up chasing all the enhancements of the 2006 and end up spending more money in the long run with a lower trade-in value.
The same logic could be appied to a friend of mine who owned a 94 Integra LS. He loved the Integra GSR so much, he ended up swapping his motor and buying a bunch of other aftermarket parts when he was better off simply trading in his LS for a GSR. With the stock GSR, he has better reliability, better resale, smog legal, and of course, less money spent overall.
remember all I said was THINK about it. I have a hard time believing this many people wouldn't even consider it. Will I do it? probably not. Will I think about it and run some numbers? yeah sure.
08-03-2005 | 11:57 AM
#44
HOWARD911S
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Originally Posted by STL
Howard911s,
Keep on telling yourself it's only 5HP.
But I do agree with the "life is too short to buy the same car twice" part!
Keep on telling yourself it's only 5HP.
But I do agree with the "life is too short to buy the same car twice" part!hehe, glad you guys agree, by the way, off topic a bit, my co worker got a 05 mbz C230 kompressor sedan brand new, loaded, leather, power seat, power everything, , sport package, 29000 out of door, NOW!!! with 50000 miles free service, and LIFETIME (mbz come with lifetime) roadside assistance, i would get C230 anyday over an 06 TSX, ... reason for the price is they are going with C280 (3.0 liter 228 HP) and C350. (3.5 liter 268 hp) now and clearing out all the C230 kompressor! 29K for all these above? and i believe the torque on C230 is somewhere around 190 pounds, that 30 over tsx,
so if i were to take a hit of thousands or 10K, ill get another car, especially mbz at same price as tsx? once again , life is too short to buy same car twice!
08-03-2005 | 12:36 PM
#45
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From: St. Louis
Originally Posted by Howard911s
and i believe the torque on C230 is somewhere around 190 pounds, that 30 over tsx
I Shall Pass
08-03-2005 | 12:44 PM
#47
HOWARD911S
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From: los angeles
Originally Posted by STL
Nope, the C230 has 181 ft-lbs of torque. The '05 TSX has 166 -- so that only 15 ft-lbs difference. The new '06 would have roughly 169 ft-lbs using the old standard so that's even less of a difference.
08-03-2005 | 01:06 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by Howard911s
hehe, glad you guys agree, by the way, off topic a bit, my co worker got a 05 mbz C230 kompressor sedan brand new, loaded, leather, power seat, power everything, , sport package, 29000 out of door, NOW!!! with 50000 miles free service, and LIFETIME (mbz come with lifetime) roadside assistance, i would get C230 anyday over an 06 TSX, ... reason for the price is they are going with C280 (3.0 liter 228 HP) and C350. (3.5 liter 268 hp) now and clearing out all the C230 kompressor! 29K for all these above? and i believe the torque on C230 is somewhere around 190 pounds, that 30 over tsx,
so if i were to take a hit of thousands or 10K, ill get another car, especially mbz at same price as tsx? once again , life is too short to buy same car twice!
so if i were to take a hit of thousands or 10K, ill get another car, especially mbz at same price as tsx? once again , life is too short to buy same car twice!
Your coworker is either not telling you something, or he really did get one hell of deal. I just checked Edmunds.com and to get an equivalently equipped C230, will cost you about $8k to $10k more. Mercedes has some crazy options, like $680 for "Metallic Paint". For $29k out the door, I would take a loaded C230 Kompressor over a TSX, but I doubt that's the price, and my friend has an MB Navi and he says it sucks.
08-03-2005 | 01:36 PM
#49
Burning Brakes
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Originally Posted by ucsdtriton
Your coworker is either not telling you something, or he really did get one hell of deal. I just checked Edmunds.com and to get an equivalently equipped C230, will cost you about $8k to $10k more. Mercedes has some crazy options, like $680 for "Metallic Paint". For $29k out the door, I would take a loaded C230 Kompressor over a TSX, but I doubt that's the price, and my friend has an MB Navi and he says it sucks.
08-03-2005 | 02:20 PM
#50
Burning Brakes
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Originally Posted by Howard911s
oki!@ i stand corrected! but ill still take mercedes anyday :p
i'd never drive a c class. they are the cheapest benzes and it really shows.
08-03-2005 | 02:31 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by iNteGraz92
have fun driving it... when it's not in the shop
i'd never drive a c class. they are the cheapest benzes and it really shows.
i'd never drive a c class. they are the cheapest benzes and it really shows.
08-03-2005 | 06:34 PM
#53
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Originally Posted by STL
Actually we don't know for sure if it was changed or not. But if the didn't I would also question why not.
Here's another one, they didn't mention beefing up the brakes at all (but maybe the did). I hear some current owners say that's a weak point on this car -- relative to its competition. Speaking of brakes, why is Acura touting the EBA (electronic brake assist) as new for the 2006? I am almost certain the 2004 brochure I have mentions this feature -- although it doesn't list it under the features summary at the end of the brochure.
Here's another one, they didn't mention beefing up the brakes at all (but maybe the did). I hear some current owners say that's a weak point on this car -- relative to its competition. Speaking of brakes, why is Acura touting the EBA (electronic brake assist) as new for the 2006? I am almost certain the 2004 brochure I have mentions this feature -- although it doesn't list it under the features summary at the end of the brochure.
08-03-2005 | 06:47 PM
#54
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I dont think anyone has commented on this, but I noticed this change:
More voice recognition commands (653)
I wonder if the additional commands allow for voice command of the destination address for the navi. Correct me if I am wrong, but the only acura that can do this now is the RL right?
More voice recognition commands (653)
I wonder if the additional commands allow for voice command of the destination address for the navi. Correct me if I am wrong, but the only acura that can do this now is the RL right?
08-03-2005 | 06:48 PM
#55
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From: San Francisco
Originally Posted by gpsiir
Good point on the brakes, I would definitely like shorter stopping distances, as the TSX's are mediocre....
I have a feeling the 06 TSX has the same brakes as the 04/05.
08-03-2005 | 06:54 PM
#56
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Originally Posted by STL
...Speaking of brakes, why is Acura touting the EBA (electronic brake assist) as new for the 2006? I am almost certain the 2004 brochure I have mentions this feature -- although it doesn't list it under the features summary at the end of the brochure.
I believe the JDM Accord does have it though.
Not sure how much a difference EBD makes. I would actually prefer a hill holder clutch, like the new 3 series. Seems like a cool feature.
08-03-2005 | 08:16 PM
#58
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From: St. Louis
Originally Posted by corey415
Changing the brake pads and using more aggresive tires would make a world of difference.
08-03-2005 | 08:19 PM
#59
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Originally Posted by corey415
04/05 TSX do not have EBA ( I thought it was called EBD)...
I believe the JDM Accord does have it though.
Not sure how much a difference EBD makes. I would actually prefer a hill holder clutch, like the new 3 series. Seems like a cool feature.
I believe the JDM Accord does have it though.
Not sure how much a difference EBD makes. I would actually prefer a hill holder clutch, like the new 3 series. Seems like a cool feature.
08-04-2005 | 12:29 AM
#61
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From: Seattle
Originally Posted by STL
Really? Who makes a reasonible aftermarket kit for making the driver's seat have two memory setting? 
I myself don't own a TSX yet, but if I already had a '04 or '05 I sure as heck would not worry about trading up to get the 2006 changes. That being said, I really-really-really-really wanted the memory setting for the driver's seat so I'm glad I didn't buy a 2005 last fall!
I myself don't own a TSX yet, but if I already had a '04 or '05 I sure as heck would not worry about trading up to get the 2006 changes. That being said, I really-really-really-really wanted the memory setting for the driver's seat so I'm glad I didn't buy a 2005 last fall!
Haha you dont own a TSX! JK, I like the 05, the new style might look like the mazda 6 or something, I'll keep my 05 TSX, thank you.
08-04-2005 | 09:48 PM
#63
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Let me warn everyone about the new low profile '06 wipers....
My Ford Five-hundred (it's a free company lease car, stop the flaming--- I now I'd never really buy one, chill out.) has low profile wiper blades.
They are made by Bosch and used on some Audi's also, these mothers suck compared to old faithful honda blades. Each blade is about $39ea and they don't clean worth sh** at speed. And they squeek bad. I will gladly take the old style wipers on my '04 TSX and '00 Accord anyday vs. these new low profile Bosche POS.
My Ford Five-hundred (it's a free company lease car, stop the flaming--- I now I'd never really buy one, chill out.) has low profile wiper blades.
They are made by Bosch and used on some Audi's also, these mothers suck compared to old faithful honda blades. Each blade is about $39ea and they don't clean worth sh** at speed. And they squeek bad. I will gladly take the old style wipers on my '04 TSX and '00 Accord anyday vs. these new low profile Bosche POS.
08-04-2005 | 09:57 PM
#64
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Originally Posted by MrChad
Let me warn everyone about the new low profile '06 wipers....
My Ford Five-hundred (it's a free company lease car, stop the flaming--- I now I'd never really buy one, chill out.) has low profile wiper blades.
They are made by Bosch and used on some Audi's also, these mothers suck compared to old faithful honda blades. Each blade is about $39ea and they don't clean worth sh** at speed. And they squeek bad. I will gladly take the old style wipers on my '04 TSX and '00 Accord anyday vs. these new low profile Bosche POS.
My Ford Five-hundred (it's a free company lease car, stop the flaming--- I now I'd never really buy one, chill out.) has low profile wiper blades.
They are made by Bosch and used on some Audi's also, these mothers suck compared to old faithful honda blades. Each blade is about $39ea and they don't clean worth sh** at speed. And they squeek bad. I will gladly take the old style wipers on my '04 TSX and '00 Accord anyday vs. these new low profile Bosche POS.
08-04-2005 | 10:01 PM
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There are only a handful of wiper mfg. for the OEM's and this new Bosch blade is used by all the up and coming Eurpean cars it is the new "it" blade.
It will be the low profile on the TSX, b/c it is the only low profile on the market. I'm sure this will be the blade, it's showing up on all the new cars from all the mfg.
It will be the low profile on the TSX, b/c it is the only low profile on the market. I'm sure this will be the blade, it's showing up on all the new cars from all the mfg.
08-04-2005 | 10:07 PM
#66
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Originally Posted by MrChad
There are only a handful of wiper mfg. for the OEM's and this new Bosch blade is used by all the up and coming Eurpean cars it is the new "it" blade.
It will be the low profile on the TSX, b/c it is the only low profile on the market. I'm sure this will be the blade, it's showing up on all the new cars from all the mfg.
It will be the low profile on the TSX, b/c it is the only low profile on the market. I'm sure this will be the blade, it's showing up on all the new cars from all the mfg.
08-04-2005 | 10:44 PM
#67
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i think an 06' steering wheel swap might be cool. Condering since they are changing it, i'm sure it is one with the fat handles or increased padding at 10 and 2 (i sound like a driver's ed instructor, sorry) I think it would make the whole interior look alot more sporty.
08-05-2005 | 07:57 AM
#68
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send me a link to JDM??
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From: NoVA
Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
I just realized how much its gonna suck once 06 tsx'ers start posting here. We should have a seperate forum for them :jealous:
get those bitches their own forum... they can even call it whatever they want; "We are better then the 04-05's" as long as I don't have to read about it
08-05-2005 | 08:51 AM
#70
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From: St. Louis
Originally Posted by MrChad
Let me warn everyone about the new low profile '06 wipers....they don't clean worth sh** at speed.
08-05-2005 | 09:05 AM
#71
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
I'm looking at switching the TSX as it is right now. I'm missing driving MT...
And here I thought you were one of us
Seriously though, the 2006 TSX is the best thing that could have ever happened to this forum.
08-05-2005 | 09:54 AM
#72
I'm a llama :(
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From: Washington
Originally Posted by MrChad
Let me warn everyone about the new low profile '06 wipers....
My Ford Five-hundred (it's a free company lease car, stop the flaming--- I now I'd never really buy one, chill out.) has low profile wiper blades.
They are made by Bosch and used on some Audi's also, these mothers suck compared to old faithful honda blades. Each blade is about $39ea and they don't clean worth sh** at speed. And they squeek bad. I will gladly take the old style wipers on my '04 TSX and '00 Accord anyday vs. these new low profile Bosche POS.
My Ford Five-hundred (it's a free company lease car, stop the flaming--- I now I'd never really buy one, chill out.) has low profile wiper blades.
They are made by Bosch and used on some Audi's also, these mothers suck compared to old faithful honda blades. Each blade is about $39ea and they don't clean worth sh** at speed. And they squeek bad. I will gladly take the old style wipers on my '04 TSX and '00 Accord anyday vs. these new low profile Bosche POS.
08-05-2005 | 11:18 AM
#73
Originally Posted by dom
And here I thought you were on of us
Seriously though, the 2006 TSX is the best thing that could have ever happened to this forum.
Seriously though, the 2006 TSX is the best thing that could have ever happened to this forum.
And yeah, the 2006 is definitely good news...
08-05-2005 | 12:56 PM
#74
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From: bay area
Originally Posted by madmanmax3000
only things i'm kinda pissed about..."sports steering wheel" and this supposedly enhanced navigation system...what do you guys think about that?
08-05-2005 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Motohip
Maybe it's cause it's a ford? I doubt Honda would install something that doesn't work well. Im sure they tested it quite a bit to make sure it works without squeeking.
The low profile bosch blade sets lower on the windshield but it catches more air at speed, the wiper blade is more solid filled, almost like a winter blade.
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