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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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Max HP/Torque needed?

I was driving my TSX on the highway last night and since there was no cars around, I tried to give it a push. I reached 200KM/hour in no time and slowed down with a lot of confidence(thanks to TSX's beautiful handling and brakes). DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I have enough confidence in my driving and the road I was driving on to do this, and no I'm not a kid in bad need of speed.

I was thinking. What is the real reason behind people wanting to have a 300HP car? In North-America the maximum speed limit is about 100-110KM(55-65miles), and the TSX's 4 banger is more than enough for whatever the hell you're planning to do.

Even in city, the TSX provides more than enough rant to catch any moving thing within seconds(granted you know how to drive).

So why sacrifice so much fuel economy when there's no need? This is in reply to those who say "TSX is a nice car but it's only a 4 cylinder"

SO?!!!
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 11:59 AM
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I agree, for the most part. The TSX is great on the highway and has more than enough power for 98% of my driving. I think the real issue here is tourque. City driving and stop and go traffic are more enjoyable in a tourquey car. The Accords 244HP/212 lb-ft V6 is IMO the perfect compromise.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by IranBT
I was driving my TSX on the highway last night and since there was no cars around, I tried to give it a push. I reached 200KM/hour in no time and slowed down with a lot of confidence(thanks to TSX's beautiful handling and brakes). DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I have enough confidence in my driving and the road I was driving on to do this, and no I'm not a kid in bad need of speed.

I was thinking. What is the real reason behind people wanting to have a 300HP car? In North-America the maximum speed limit is about 100-110KM(55-65miles), and the TSX's 4 banger is more than enough for whatever the hell you're planning to do.

Even in city, the TSX provides more than enough rant to catch any moving thing within seconds(granted you know how to drive).

So why sacrifice so much fuel economy when there's no need? This is in reply to those who say "TSX is a nice car but it's only a 4 cylinder"

SO?!!!
Most, including myself would agree with you on this one. However, alot of people like to have those extra ponies around when they feel like "opening her up" per say. I have to be honest as well, there are times I wish the TSX had a bit more power; but when its all said and done I certainly do love my TSX.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 12:06 PM
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beautiful handeling......... definetly....., beautiful brakes........... not even close
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 12:23 PM
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beautiful handeling......... definetly....., beautiful brakes........... not even close
I agree, the stopping power is definately lacking with the factory pads. I'm thinking to put aftermarket ones in once the originals wear out.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 12:26 PM
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Meh Its a numbers game. My number is bigger than your number. etc. Do we "need" 300hp, no. Do we "want" 300hp, sure.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 12:45 PM
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Meh Its a numbers game. My number is bigger than your number. etc. Do we "need" 300hp, no. Do we "want" 300hp, sure.


I'm waiting for a 12 megapixel TSX.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by IranBT
Max HP/Torque needed?
Agree with your observation Iranbt. But in reality it can be said that a guy's car is an extension of his 'manhood', so bigger faster is better. I can't help but think of supersport motorcycles that have 160+ top speeds. many that have them just ride them down the road to the hangout spot and never use it to its full potential.

Others want more, but I'd be happy with a 225 lb-ft TSX, and hp wouldn't matter as much. That torque would allow me to avoid errant SUVs, slammed caprice classics, and hyperactive civics and be able to have some fun too. And on motorcycles,I have a torquey SV 650 V-twin that is quick down low but lacks top speed capability of supersport bikes. I wish the TSX had 75% of its torque!
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin


I'm waiting for a 12 megapixel TSX.

Your camera obsession is getting scary.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 01:17 PM
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
Meh Its a numbers game. My number is bigger than your number. etc. Do we "need" 300hp, no. Do we "want" 300hp, sure.
Very well said Jlukja. That's why I don't get caught up in tryin' to get higher HP numbers than anyone other than myself.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 02:43 PM
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well as someone that has experienced the upper echelon of luxury sedans (BMW 750Li) the power in the TSX leaves you definetly wanting more...not saying you need 360hp but it definetly makes driving easier...especially with a flat wide power band it makes driving much easier and enjoyable...I never had to pass 4k rpm in the BMW to get moving at ANY speed while having to rev to redline constantley to get power from the TSX...I love the TSX but its major lack is power at its weight it should have at least 50hp more than it does with power coming on lower...maybe even if it stayed the same 200hp and say 75% of that more come on by 3k it would turn it into a different beast...but basically its been covered over and over sure we dont need a 300hp TSX but a 230hp TSX with 190 available by 3k rpm would make a great car that much better
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin


I'm waiting for a 12 megapixel TSX.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
Originally Posted by Dan Martin
I'm waiting for a 12 megapixel TSX.
I think he's equating people's misguided obession with megapixels* in digital cameras with their supposed need for more HP in cars.



* Most all of the 4+ megapixel cameras sold today are really limited in resolution by their small, lackluster lens rather then the number of pixels they try to boast. This doesn't apply to the larger digital cameras that have a lens size approaching those of SLR cameras (but that is not the most consumers purchase).
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 03:06 PM
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They should make a hybrid TSX with 100 lbs of extra torque from the electric motor. Best of both worlds, high revving engine and plenty torque to pin you back in the seat (plus better gas mileage. I know, don't forget the sh-awd.

Realistically, the price you pay for a hybrid very competitive with a S/C (S/C only give you 30-40 extra lbs of torque). The big advantage with the electric motor is 100% of the torque is available at very low RPMs.

Check out the new 2007 Lexus GS 450h, V8 power and V6 economy.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 03:06 PM
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gimmy 225 hp and 200 tq to the ground and i'll be happy. that's really all i'll ever need.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 05:49 PM
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Just give me a 240HP TSX and I be happy camper
I miss torque and frankly I'm not crazy about having to rev the screaming hell out of the engine to get the car really going.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 06:34 PM
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I once had a diesel car with 80bhp. It moved along in city traffic effortlessly, thanks to all of the turbocharged torque at low RPM. I was able to outaccelerate typical people in normal traffic, and the car was capable of cruising at 80mph while just modulating the throttle like you would in any other "typical" car.

When you get used to it, you think to yourself "wow, I have all kinds of pedal left, I'm barely working this engine!". Then you floor the accelerator and realize that you've been driving with the engine at 90% all this time.
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