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#42
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Originally Posted by infantry
You can also spend 1500 dollars on a good set of coilovers for your tsx and get as good or better handling and ride than a BMW and still have 8500 dollars left over to buy something else !
I'm not saying the 335i drove poorly, far from it. I was just pleasantly surprised by how the TSX could match, and even exceed, BMW in the handling department.
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I used to own a 04 E46 (325ci) beautiful machine, impressive interior with great options.
The car drives awesome, sticks to the road and has excellent acceleration for only 187 ponies.
I enjoyed the car very much until the free 4 years/ 50k maintenance ended.
Now I'm driving my TSX a great economical car with all of the options. It's not the same as a BIMMER not beamer and wouldn't want to compare them since that I think both car are in different class.
Will I ever buy another BMW? Yes if I could afford it but I'd rather spend my money on a place and travelling.
The car drives awesome, sticks to the road and has excellent acceleration for only 187 ponies.
I enjoyed the car very much until the free 4 years/ 50k maintenance ended.
Now I'm driving my TSX a great economical car with all of the options. It's not the same as a BIMMER not beamer and wouldn't want to compare them since that I think both car are in different class.
Will I ever buy another BMW? Yes if I could afford it but I'd rather spend my money on a place and travelling.
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Originally Posted by frenchv
I used to own a 04 E46 (325ci) beautiful machine, impressive interior with great options.
The car drives awesome, sticks to the road and has excellent acceleration for only 187 ponies.
I enjoyed the car very much until the free 4 years/ 50k maintenance ended.
Now I'm driving my TSX a great economical car with all of the options. It's not the same as a BIMMER not beamer and wouldn't want to compare them since that I think both car are in different class.
Will I ever buy another BMW? Yes if I could afford it but I'd rather spend my money on a place and travelling.
The car drives awesome, sticks to the road and has excellent acceleration for only 187 ponies.
I enjoyed the car very much until the free 4 years/ 50k maintenance ended.
Now I'm driving my TSX a great economical car with all of the options. It's not the same as a BIMMER not beamer and wouldn't want to compare them since that I think both car are in different class.
Will I ever buy another BMW? Yes if I could afford it but I'd rather spend my money on a place and travelling.
Correct, MANY people screw this up:
Beamer = BMW MOTORCYCLE
Bimmer = BMW CAR
You guys quibbling about BMW vs. Acura is silly. BMWs offer things that are important to some people, Acuras offer things that are important to other people. It really boils down to that. Buy what you like and enjoy. I own neither of the brands, but can see that they are both appealing brands for different reasons.
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Originally Posted by MJB_CHI
Technically, its 184 ponies. But, really it is the torque that moves you, not so much the HP. That is a very short version of a much more complicated subject (HP vs. torque). As they say, "We TALK horsepower, but we DRIVE torque." That explains why so often people say "German ponies are stronger." The reality is that German cars typically have really good low-end torque which makes them feel punchier, even if their HP rating is lower.
In reality, BMW isn't really known for low-end torque, right off of idle. In fact they are pretty weak....they are known for a meaty and broad midrange. Every BMW i've driven has had this characteristic.
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Yeesh. I craved a Volvo V70 for a year or two. I finally lost my desire when I drove each of the 3 engine trims. The high power turbo was great. Comfort, marvelous. Dash design, idiotic (a drink holder right by the audio?). The downfall? The second seat headrest completely blocked the right-rear quarter window, and the reduced visibility bothered me in all three test drives. I felt blind back there.
Not a non sequitur. My point is, there is often something about some car that either drives you bonkers, or drives you mad with lust. It's a very personal thing. You can talk about torque, HP, gearing, comfort, status, trunk space, reliability, cost vs. value, appeal to the opposite sex, or ease of access to child safety seats until the horses come back into the corral, but for all of us, there's a very individualistic je ne sais quoi that is the tipping point. Those who havent' found that, IMHO, haven't driven or owned enough cars.
Not a non sequitur. My point is, there is often something about some car that either drives you bonkers, or drives you mad with lust. It's a very personal thing. You can talk about torque, HP, gearing, comfort, status, trunk space, reliability, cost vs. value, appeal to the opposite sex, or ease of access to child safety seats until the horses come back into the corral, but for all of us, there's a very individualistic je ne sais quoi that is the tipping point. Those who havent' found that, IMHO, haven't driven or owned enough cars.
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Originally Posted by micvog
I thought it was outrageous as well but, after searching these forums, I found it wasn't unheard of with the TSX. Most of my driving is freeway and apparently that is harder on the rear brake pads; the front brake pads were not completely worn (~35% left) but I replaced them since the discs were warped and had to be replaced (too far gone to be resurfaced). The rear pads were replaced at 30K; the front pads and discs at 35K. I am not happy about it and even wrote a very professional letter to Acura. They refused any assistance and rather rudely at that.
It sounds like I have done more maintenance. In addition to the oil changes, I have also done the inspection/adjustment services (the "B" service on my '06), replaced the air filters ($$$) and transmission fluid at 30K. I also replaced my tires at 35K - Kumho Ecsta SPTs.
I have been looking at the new BMWs only because I feel like I am paying BMW-prices for my TSX. The only down-side I have heard about the car and the maintenance is that the "free" maintenance program defers a lot until 60K at which time the owner is on the hook for the costs.
It sounds like I have done more maintenance. In addition to the oil changes, I have also done the inspection/adjustment services (the "B" service on my '06), replaced the air filters ($$$) and transmission fluid at 30K. I also replaced my tires at 35K - Kumho Ecsta SPTs.
I have been looking at the new BMWs only because I feel like I am paying BMW-prices for my TSX. The only down-side I have heard about the car and the maintenance is that the "free" maintenance program defers a lot until 60K at which time the owner is on the hook for the costs.
As you may know, the E46 wiki states that Bimmers are not as reliable as japanese makes (in general of course). They say, you will have problems with your Bimmer. But still, there are other reasons for choosing a car, and the 3-series reliability is still rated as "average" (by Consumer Reports), so it's not terrible or anything (again, in general)
If you're not satisfied with the reliability and/or service of your Acura, I can understand looking at other brands/cars.
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Also, BMW recommended oil changes are something like every 25,000 or 30,000 km (not sure exact conversion into miles, but 60 miles = 100 km), so that's not going to cost BMW much!
Many Bimmer enthusiasts change their oil much more frequently. (so they pay out of pocket.)
Many Bimmer enthusiasts change their oil much more frequently. (so they pay out of pocket.)
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Originally Posted by infantry
Just got back from the BMW dealership, my wife wants a new BMW . I went their with a open mind, not trying to compare the vehicle to my TSX . But im a creature of habit and cant help myself .
The BMW 3 is not close in value to the TSX .
Let me repeat the BMW 3 base series is not even close in value to the tsx . To get the same features that I have in my TSX, I would have to pay about 10,000 more . Dont get me wrong it drives nice and all of that and has a quality about it . Maybe I am jaded from my former experience with BMWs I had two when I was stationed in Germany and they had all kinds of problems, the service was so-so (Keep in Mind this was in Germany where customer service is not top priority, you could probably get better service at a KIA dealership hear in the states ) .
The BMW, didnt shift as smooth as the TSX and had about the same amount of power and the looks of the vic are questionable, I find that the TSX has a very classic sports sedan look about it . I think that the BMW makes great cars but are living off their past and their reputation . Well anyway just be happy that we have made the wise choice and picked the right car
The BMW 3 is not close in value to the TSX .
Let me repeat the BMW 3 base series is not even close in value to the tsx . To get the same features that I have in my TSX, I would have to pay about 10,000 more . Dont get me wrong it drives nice and all of that and has a quality about it . Maybe I am jaded from my former experience with BMWs I had two when I was stationed in Germany and they had all kinds of problems, the service was so-so (Keep in Mind this was in Germany where customer service is not top priority, you could probably get better service at a KIA dealership hear in the states ) .
The BMW, didnt shift as smooth as the TSX and had about the same amount of power and the looks of the vic are questionable, I find that the TSX has a very classic sports sedan look about it . I think that the BMW makes great cars but are living off their past and their reputation . Well anyway just be happy that we have made the wise choice and picked the right car
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
That's the thing....the TSX is not in the same league as the NEW 3. Our TSX was designed as a e46 fighter, technically. But even then, the e46 drives pretty well. however, I wouldn't put the TSX to far behind that. Note that I haven't driven a e92 to venture an opinion between it and the TSX, but I've heard its seriously good stuff.
Here's what sums up my thoughts. If you plan to own the car for a long time, buy the TSX/TL whatever. You save initially, you get a ton of features, etc. If you plan to drive it for a short time, buy the bimmer. Most of the headaches and interior longevity issues come later....Hopefully it will be someone elses problem by then.
Here's what sums up my thoughts. If you plan to own the car for a long time, buy the TSX/TL whatever. You save initially, you get a ton of features, etc. If you plan to drive it for a short time, buy the bimmer. Most of the headaches and interior longevity issues come later....Hopefully it will be someone elses problem by then.
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I miss my TSX honestly ..and someday I wish to own one again.. IMO, you cannot compare Japanese with German engineering.... its just 2 different worlds.. Owning a bimmer now for over a year, I gotta say.. it is more classy and powerful, the handling and over-all performance is just awesome .. and yeah..the 4-yr maintenance warranty is worth it.
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The platform of the TSX I wouldnt call outdated, the genuis behind the TSX is that you could mod it pretty cheap and get peformance on par with Sedans that cost 10,000 more . I am now the owner of BMW again and agree the car is nice, just not what I paid for it . To get the peformance out of the ultimate driving machine you got to drive it on the edge and I rarley go that route . Maybe I am being a homer .
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Originally Posted by micvog
I thought it was outrageous as well but, after searching these forums, I found it wasn't unheard of with the TSX. Most of my driving is freeway and apparently that is harder on the rear brake pads; the front brake pads were not completely worn (~35% left) but I replaced them since the discs were warped and had to be replaced (too far gone to be resurfaced). The rear pads were replaced at 30K; the front pads and discs at 35K. I am not happy about it and even wrote a very professional letter to Acura. They refused any assistance and rather rudely at that.
It sounds like I have done more maintenance. In addition to the oil changes, I have also done the inspection/adjustment services (the "B" service on my '06), replaced the air filters ($$$) and transmission fluid at 30K. I also replaced my tires at 35K - Kumho Ecsta SPTs.
I have been looking at the new BMWs only because I feel like I am paying BMW-prices for my TSX. The only down-side I have heard about the car and the maintenance is that the "free" maintenance program defers a lot until 60K at which time the owner is on the hook for the costs.
It sounds like I have done more maintenance. In addition to the oil changes, I have also done the inspection/adjustment services (the "B" service on my '06), replaced the air filters ($$$) and transmission fluid at 30K. I also replaced my tires at 35K - Kumho Ecsta SPTs.
I have been looking at the new BMWs only because I feel like I am paying BMW-prices for my TSX. The only down-side I have heard about the car and the maintenance is that the "free" maintenance program defers a lot until 60K at which time the owner is on the hook for the costs.
The air filters, i'm replacing myself. The pollen filter I am getting through Napa, as i found on this forum, and the air filter, i'm looking for a reusable one (you just remove them and clean them, my dad has one on his BMW).
I don't think you're paying BMW maintenance, if you owned a BMW, you'd know what I mean. Free maintenance is nice, but you're paying for it in the price of the car for sure. And if you keep it beyond that period, you're gonna get slammed. There's no comparison in value between Acura and BMW.
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Originally Posted by davidspalding
Wow, warped rotors at 32K ODO? That's scary. Makes me glad I got my certified vehicle with 35K on the ticker, instead of the former fleet vehicle with 17K. I can only trust that the certification truly checked/corrected anything like this.
Cabin air filters look like a pretty easy change-out, from the illustrations I've seen. But not cheap unless you really scrounge...? How's something like that compare with a Bimmer?
Cabin air filters look like a pretty easy change-out, from the illustrations I've seen. But not cheap unless you really scrounge...? How's something like that compare with a Bimmer?
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Originally Posted by bradykp
there was a TSB in april about the front discs warping, so they probably should have covered that for you under warranty. As for the "B" service, I would say you're just a sucker for doing it at the Acura dealership. I refuse to get these items done at the dealership, because there is no need to. Don't you know a mechanic? Or, take it to Honda, which is cheaper for labor than Acura is.
The air filters, i'm replacing myself. The pollen filter I am getting through Napa, as i found on this forum, and the air filter, i'm looking for a reusable one (you just remove them and clean them, my dad has one on his BMW).
I don't think you're paying BMW maintenance, if you owned a BMW, you'd know what I mean. Free maintenance is nice, but you're paying for it in the price of the car for sure. And if you keep it beyond that period, you're gonna get slammed. There's no comparison in value between Acura and BMW.
The air filters, i'm replacing myself. The pollen filter I am getting through Napa, as i found on this forum, and the air filter, i'm looking for a reusable one (you just remove them and clean them, my dad has one on his BMW).
I don't think you're paying BMW maintenance, if you owned a BMW, you'd know what I mean. Free maintenance is nice, but you're paying for it in the price of the car for sure. And if you keep it beyond that period, you're gonna get slammed. There's no comparison in value between Acura and BMW.
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well i was considering either the 1999 bmw 528 or the 1999 mercedes c class or the 2000 tl/nav for b-day..... i really loved the 99 528 and the interior was very nice as well asthe options but evry friend said it would be dumass move if i got the merc or bmw becuz of mainctanence and i read from million forums of unreliability... so i was like screw that nd get the tl....
#59
Still Lovin my 06
Originally Posted by MJB_CHI
Technically, its 184 ponies. But, really it is the torque that moves you, not so much the HP. That is a very short version of a much more complicated subject (HP vs. torque). As they say, "We TALK horsepower, but we DRIVE torque." That explains why so often people say "German ponies are stronger." The reality is that German cars typically have really good low-end torque which makes them feel punchier, even if their HP rating is lower.
Correct, MANY people screw this up:
Beamer = BMW MOTORCYCLE
Bimmer = BMW CAR
You guys quibbling about BMW vs. Acura is silly. BMWs offer things that are important to some people, Acuras offer things that are important to other people. It really boils down to that. Buy what you like and enjoy. I own neither of the brands, but can see that they are both appealing brands for different reasons.
Correct, MANY people screw this up:
Beamer = BMW MOTORCYCLE
Bimmer = BMW CAR
You guys quibbling about BMW vs. Acura is silly. BMWs offer things that are important to some people, Acuras offer things that are important to other people. It really boils down to that. Buy what you like and enjoy. I own neither of the brands, but can see that they are both appealing brands for different reasons.
it's my opinion that value should be a major component in a car, since cars are money pits. that's why i choose tsx over a bmw. i get almost as many "features" as the bmw, for significantly less price. and better quality.
i would love to have a bmw under warranty, so as not to have to worry about the problems they have. they are great driving machines. that's what it comes down to. if you can deal with trips to the service department and/or can afford to own it outside of warranty and not care about the money you're spending, the BMW is the better car. most people on these forums are looking for value in their vehicles also though.
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Originally Posted by nj2pa2nc
the acura dealer i take my tsx for service rates are cheaper than honda so check first. i never ask for mileage service just an oil change and tire rotation- cheaper that way. but then again my good friend is an acura service manager so i get good deals on service.
acura labor rates are more than honda, maybe you're just getting a good deal from your buddy?
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Originally Posted by waTSX
I appreciate your point of view and that you dig your TSX; so do I. But no way BMW is just living off of their past. They are the gold standard for sport sedans, and they continue to raise the bar in terms of handling and overall performance. Are they as good a value as the TSX? Nope, but when it comes to pure driving satisfaction, the 3 series has the clear advantage over the TSX. The TSX is a great performer and a lot of fun to drive, but it's limited by its own layout. Nothing can change that.
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Just noticed TheDukeZip's fine taste in watches as well as automobiles. Your pic inspired me to finally join the forum! I thought I was looking at my car and wrist!
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Originally Posted by bradykp
where do you go for your service?
acura labor rates are more than honda, maybe you're just getting a good deal from your buddy?
acura labor rates are more than honda, maybe you're just getting a good deal from your buddy?
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Originally Posted by bradykp
bmw has built up a lot of brand equity that they are using to get them through a particularly rough patch in my opinion. do they still make good handling and good performing vehicles? of course. but are they worth the price? no way. you can get similar handling and performance for much less, and better quality
The driving dynamics component of the 3-series has a lot of quality. And you can get a lot of interior/exterior quality if you pay the price $$$ (but you have to pay the price)
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BMW 3 series vs. TSX
First let me say that I have owned 2 different BMW's in the past (a 325 and a 535) and I really liked them, so I don't have anything against BMW's. However, when I compared the TSX to the 3 series, it wasn't even close. Other than the $5K or more TSX price advantage, the current 3 series interior ergonomics are the worst I have seen in a European car in a long time. Interior faults include the goofy turn signal, cruise control (which should be on the steering wheel not an additional column stalk) power window switches that are out of reach, the stupid ignition switch /engine start button, awkward clutch take up, imprecise manual shifter, improper armrest to shifter height, and yes, cupholders that were a complete joke. And don't get me started on I drive.
People who fantisize about taking their car on a race track (and never do) and car magazines that actually take the cars on the track will rave about the 10/10ths handling and the advantages of 3 series rear wheel drive over TSX front wheel drive. However, those 99 percent of us who are either stuck in traffic or are driving down miles of straight interstate will never know the difference. My advice is that if you really need to spend that much more money on car to impress the neighbors or make you feel good about yourself, buy a TL or G35.
People who fantisize about taking their car on a race track (and never do) and car magazines that actually take the cars on the track will rave about the 10/10ths handling and the advantages of 3 series rear wheel drive over TSX front wheel drive. However, those 99 percent of us who are either stuck in traffic or are driving down miles of straight interstate will never know the difference. My advice is that if you really need to spend that much more money on car to impress the neighbors or make you feel good about yourself, buy a TL or G35.
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Haha thanks and welcome to the forum! Check out this thread for a bigger picture.
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Nice Seamaster, dude. I own one myself and love that thing. Sorry for the temporary
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Originally Posted by SWOBERT
First let me say that I have owned 2 different BMW's in the past (a 325 and a 535) and I really liked them, so I don't have anything against BMW's. However, when I compared the TSX to the 3 series, it wasn't even close. Other than the $5K or more TSX price advantage, the current 3 series interior ergonomics are the worst I have seen in a European car in a long time. Interior faults include the goofy turn signal, cruise control (which should be on the steering wheel not an additional column stalk) power window switches that are out of reach, the stupid ignition switch /engine start button, awkward clutch take up, imprecise manual shifter, improper armrest to shifter height, and yes, cupholders that were a complete joke. And don't get me started on I drive.
People who fantisize about taking their car on a race track (and never do) and car magazines that actually take the cars on the track will rave about the 10/10ths handling and the advantages of 3 series rear wheel drive over TSX front wheel drive. However, those 99 percent of us who are either stuck in traffic or are driving down miles of straight interstate will never know the difference. My advice is that if you really need to spend that much more money on car to impress the neighbors or make you feel good about yourself, buy a TL or G35.
People who fantisize about taking their car on a race track (and never do) and car magazines that actually take the cars on the track will rave about the 10/10ths handling and the advantages of 3 series rear wheel drive over TSX front wheel drive. However, those 99 percent of us who are either stuck in traffic or are driving down miles of straight interstate will never know the difference. My advice is that if you really need to spend that much more money on car to impress the neighbors or make you feel good about yourself, buy a TL or G35.
By your criteria, we all may as well drive a Kia. It's as good as anything else when stuck in traffic. You're making a lot of assumptions about people needing to impress the neighbors. You raised some good points in the first part of your post, but the second paragraph is ridiculous.
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Why has this particular apples and oranges comparison drug on so long? The $5000+ aspect puts BMWs in a different class afaik. I bet if a TANK could crush a TSX or a BMW in a head to head.
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Originally Posted by SWOBERT
...buy a TL...
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Originally Posted by bradykp
there was a TSB in april about the front discs warping, so they probably should have covered that for you under warranty.
Originally Posted by bradykp
As for the "B" service, I would say you're just a sucker...
Originally Posted by bradykp
I don't think you're paying BMW maintenance...
Don't get me wrong, I love the TSX. I talked a neighbor into the TSX over a Camry. I just don't think that means BMW has to be bad.
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Nice Seamaster, dude. I own one myself and love that thing. Sorry for the temporary
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Originally Posted by waTSX
Nobody is talking about any car with sporting intentions in this scenario. This is an enthusiast forum and when you talk about cars from an enthusiasts point of view, you talk about performance at or near the limits.
By your criteria, we all may as well drive a Kia. It's as good as anything else when stuck in traffic. You're making a lot of assumptions about people needing to impress the neighbors. You raised some good points in the first part of your post, but the second paragraph is ridiculous.
By your criteria, we all may as well drive a Kia. It's as good as anything else when stuck in traffic. You're making a lot of assumptions about people needing to impress the neighbors. You raised some good points in the first part of your post, but the second paragraph is ridiculous.
Yeah the interior of the e90 kinda sucks but a BMW is still a BMW! I havn't driven too many luxury cars besides my e46 but I tell ya it drives awesome and it's a beautiful car. Plus it never gave me any trouble
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Originally Posted by wackura
Why has this particular apples and oranges comparison drug on so long? The $5000+ aspect puts BMWs in a different class afaik. I bet if a TANK could crush a TSX or a BMW in a head to head.
Next question?
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The VW GLI is a perfect comparison. The cost about the same after adding all the options. Too bad the thread isn't about VWs. If any car review compares a $28,500 car to a $38,000+ car, then the purpose is probably to observe why the cheaper car is cheaper, without any silly expectation that the laws of ecomonics have been defied and put them on an even plane.
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(Thanks for not taking that personally. The question deserved to be asked.) IIRC they were saying the GLI with all options stripped off, came to about the same price,... hence a fair comparison. As with the reviews comparing to BMW 3-series rides, most reviews of the TSX I read came down to, "comparable (not same) performance, nothing left out, nice fit & finish, and all for less money,..." and they usually don't add the added "feature" that Acuras are highly reliable, so TCO is significantly lower over 5 < x < 10 years ownership. Granted, I recall the GLI and the 3-series edged out the TSX in "fun-to-drive" or "true sports car" factors, but again, with trade-offs (which many here have given voice to).
Strictly IMHO, TCO and reliability are as important to me as resale value. I don't care if I turn heads with my badge, I'm happy if I can make the occasional jaw drop. ("WTF is under that hood?!") (My next speeding ticket will no doubt be when I pour 20mph on top of my cruise speed to put some buffoon behind me, which I've been doing 1nce or 2wice a week.) I have to concur with someone's "chick magnet" comment, all the women who've been in my TSX (both of them,... okay THREE if you count my 4 1/2 year old) have loved the interior.
Strictly IMHO, TCO and reliability are as important to me as resale value. I don't care if I turn heads with my badge, I'm happy if I can make the occasional jaw drop. ("WTF is under that hood?!") (My next speeding ticket will no doubt be when I pour 20mph on top of my cruise speed to put some buffoon behind me, which I've been doing 1nce or 2wice a week.) I have to concur with someone's "chick magnet" comment, all the women who've been in my TSX (both of them,... okay THREE if you count my 4 1/2 year old) have loved the interior.
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I read a review that said the VTEC didn't kick in until 6,000 RPM so I was like wtf that leave 1000 RPM until redline, very little playing room, so I floored it in 4th on the freeway and then I got the picture. That's fun. It's amazing how the car remains so stable as it accelerates like that.
I actualy dislike the prospect of being associated with a BMW badge, because I've always known that to be a upper class brand, and I don't think fellow drivers would go "ooh, that guy's successful!", I assume they must be thinking, "that asshole probably fires people to get bonuses." I like that Acura is seen as a Honda with pizzazz, that's exactly what I want. A working class guy who splurged a little.
I actualy dislike the prospect of being associated with a BMW badge, because I've always known that to be a upper class brand, and I don't think fellow drivers would go "ooh, that guy's successful!", I assume they must be thinking, "that asshole probably fires people to get bonuses." I like that Acura is seen as a Honda with pizzazz, that's exactly what I want. A working class guy who splurged a little.
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Originally Posted by micvog
I shopped the 3-Series against the TSX (I was leasing in both cases). More than the money I saved by going with the TSX has been eaten up in maintenance costs. Assuming I wouldn't have needed new tires on the 3-Series, a 3-year 15k/year lease on the 3-Series would have been less expensive than my TSX. I am paying more than BMW maintenance, and in this situation, arguing that Acura is a better value falls on deaf ears.
If this is the same in the States, this is perhaps the reason you don't see much of a "value difference" when leasing.
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Originally Posted by wackura
I read a review that said the VTEC didn't kick in until 6,000 RPM so I was like wtf that leave 1000 RPM until redline, very little playing room, so I floored it in 4th on the freeway and then I got the picture. That's fun. It's amazing how the car remains so stable as it accelerates like that.
I actualy dislike the prospect of being associated with a BMW badge, because I've always known that to be a upper class brand, and I don't think fellow drivers would go "ooh, that guy's successful!", I assume they must be thinking, "that asshole probably fires people to get bonuses." I like that Acura is seen as a Honda with pizzazz, that's exactly what I want. A working class guy who splurged a little.
I actualy dislike the prospect of being associated with a BMW badge, because I've always known that to be a upper class brand, and I don't think fellow drivers would go "ooh, that guy's successful!", I assume they must be thinking, "that asshole probably fires people to get bonuses." I like that Acura is seen as a Honda with pizzazz, that's exactly what I want. A working class guy who splurged a little.
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Sure you can tell a difference, especially if you have a CAI, but like anything with the TSX it's a subtle change. It just gives you more "headroom" to play with and it's less likely for the revs to drop below the ivtec point during shifts. Definitely a worthy mod.