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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
That's a good question. I would think the gains from switching cam profiles could be pretty big but I wonder if it's really necessary. Turbo + direct ignition might be enough to get to 260/260. If they can get to that goal, then the added expense of ivtec might not be worthwhile.
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Well, keep in mind that part of the reason for the cam profiles is fuel efficiency. I would imagine to maintain the fuel efficiency numbers, Honda would maintain to some level the i-VTEC system, though it might be configured a bit differently to be optimized for the turbo.
The rule of thumb I've heard with CR(might be oudated now with the use of continuously variable timing -- it might be more now) is a full point of CR = a 4-5% increase in toque and hp.
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Originally Posted by domn
Hate to spoil the party but I think you guys may be getting just a tad ahead of yourselves here.
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Honda is going to have to have these technolgies available soon. Toyota is going to have it's direct injections in models starting next year starting with the new GS and IS and making it's way through the rest of the lineup. They are already availalbe in Japan as far as i know.
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Originally Posted by TinkySD
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Honda is going to have to have these technolgies available soon. Toyota is going to have it's direct injections in models starting next year starting with the new GS and IS and making it's way through the rest of the lineup. They are already availalbe in Japan as far as i know.
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Originally Posted by TinkySD
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Honda is going to have to have these technolgies available soon. Toyota is going to have it's direct injections in models starting next year starting with the new GS and IS and making it's way through the rest of the lineup. They are already availalbe in Japan as far as i know.
I was reffering to the Turbo.
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Originally Posted by domn
I was reffering to the Turbo.
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But you're right, even a 12:1 2.4 liter would be cranking some pretty serious torque figures.(as well as increased gas mileage)
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Originally Posted by Colin
What goes around, comes around. The RSX "killed" the Prelude, so it's only fitting that the Civic Si should spell the end of the RSX.
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But the top and largest engine manfactuer in the world doesn't even build a V8, V10 or V12. And Inline 6 would be nice too.
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Originally Posted by domn
But the top and largest engine manfactuer in the world doesn't even build a V8, V10 or V12. And Inline 6 would be nice too. ![Wish](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wish.gif)
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If they are the #1 engine manufacturer in the world, they must do a lot more than just build car engines and small engines.
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Originally Posted by sauceman
The fact that they don't use V8, V10 and V12 technology for the civil car market doesn't mean they don't have the technology. ![Too Cool](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/toocool.gif)
If they are the #1 engine manufacturer in the world, they must do a lot more than just build car engines and small engines.
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If they are the #1 engine manufacturer in the world, they must do a lot more than just build car engines and small engines.
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Well, they are the LARGEST engine manufactuer in the world. I guess #1 depends on your definition.
And no, all they do is build car and small engines, unless I'm missing something
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Well, ya, but its still a small engine. All I'm saying is thats it strange that the largest and IMO best engine maker in the world doesn't build a V8. Lets not get into why again since this has been beaten to death.
Hopefully they've seen the light and will launch that 2.2L turbo.
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Originally Posted by domn
Well, ya, but its still a small engine. All I'm saying is thats it strange that the largest and IMO best engine maker in the world doesn't build a V8. Lets not get into why again since this has been beaten to death.
Hopefully they've seen the light and will launch that 2.2L turbo.
Hopefully they've seen the light and will launch that 2.2L turbo.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
A 3L V10 would be a nice match for a TSX I think. ![Big Grin](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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The technical requirements move so fast as of late in F1, that the manufacturers can't really benefit as much from the image as they could if Max Mosley and friends weren't constantly improvising.
Why then would Honda sport a F1-bred V10? Would it be worth the risk with a V8?
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Originally Posted by sauceman
Well they do build V8, V10 and did build V12s for racing purposes. Which is why I'm saying they do have the technology. Just that they choose not to use it in civil applications.
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What frustrates me about Honda and I think most would agree, is that like you said, they have the technology and know how to build a V8, V10 or inline 6 but also build it BETTER than anyone elses'. And anyone who says they don't need a V8 should take their head out of the sand or out of their asses and look at the MDX, Pilot, Ridgeline and RL.
Thats what so exciting about this rumoured 2.2L Turbo. You just know it will be the best Turbo motor of similar size on the planet.
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Originally Posted by domn
They don't count
What frustrates me about Honda and I think most would agree, is that like you said, they have the technology and know how to build a V8, V10 or inline 6 but also build it BETTER than anyone elses'. And anyone who says they don't need a V8 should take their head out of the sand or out of their asses and look at the MDX, Pilot, Ridgeline and RL.
Thats what so exciting about this rumoured 2.2L Turbo. You just know it will be the best Turbo motor of similar size on the planet.
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What frustrates me about Honda and I think most would agree, is that like you said, they have the technology and know how to build a V8, V10 or inline 6 but also build it BETTER than anyone elses'. And anyone who says they don't need a V8 should take their head out of the sand or out of their asses and look at the MDX, Pilot, Ridgeline and RL.
Thats what so exciting about this rumoured 2.2L Turbo. You just know it will be the best Turbo motor of similar size on the planet.
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....they have the technology and know how to build a V8, V10 or inline 6 but also build it BETTER than anyone elses'. And anyone who says they don't need a V8 should take their head out of the sand or out of their asses and look at the MDX, Pilot, Ridgeline and RL....
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Well, the problem is the business model. Honda has to come up with a business model for developing a consumer V8 engine and provide a solid case for it. Because Honda's only market where a V8 would be actually appreciated is the US, Honda doesn't see it as being a good business case to develop at V8 motor.
Now, though, since the competition is introducing V8 motors into all markets, Honda has to change in order to remain competitive and Honda now has platforms that could benefit more from a V8, which is why there are rumors floating around of a Honda V8 for a new ultra-luxury model to compete against the S-class and 7-series.
Now, though, since the competition is introducing V8 motors into all markets, Honda has to change in order to remain competitive and Honda now has platforms that could benefit more from a V8, which is why there are rumors floating around of a Honda V8 for a new ultra-luxury model to compete against the S-class and 7-series.
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Originally Posted by domn
But the top and largest engine manfactuer in the world doesn't even build a V8, V10 or V12. And Inline 6 would be nice too. ![Wish](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wish.gif)
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Well, the problem is the business model. Honda has to come up with a business model for developing a consumer V8 engine and provide a solid case for it. Because Honda's only market where a V8 would be actually appreciated is the US, Honda doesn't see it as being a good business case to develop at V8 motor.
Now, though, since the competition is introducing V8 motors into all markets, Honda has to change in order to remain competitive and Honda now has platforms that could benefit more from a V8, which is why there are rumors floating around of a Honda V8 for a new ultra-luxury model to compete against the S-class and 7-series.
Now, though, since the competition is introducing V8 motors into all markets, Honda has to change in order to remain competitive and Honda now has platforms that could benefit more from a V8, which is why there are rumors floating around of a Honda V8 for a new ultra-luxury model to compete against the S-class and 7-series.
That V8 could also be used in the MDX, Ridgeline, Pilot, and next gen RL. As was posted prior, I am not counting the NSX as it is most likely dead.
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Originally Posted by TinkySD
I6 motors are extremely overrated IMO! They are smooth but are a packaging terror. They are heavy and tall. This is the reasons bmw isn't able to put a larger i6 in their cars. instead, to try and stay competitive they have to put all sort of technology into their motors, valvetronics, throttleless induction, electric motors for everything etc. While I"m a big fan of technology this makes them expensive. Plus, the new high output 255 hp 3.0 liter will still not able to out run a g35 which costs many thousands less.
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Originally Posted by TinkySD
I6 motors are extremely overrated IMO! They are smooth but are a packaging terror. They are heavy and tall. This is the reasons bmw isn't able to put a larger i6 in their cars. instead, to try and stay competitive they have to put all sort of technology into their motors, valvetronics, throttleless induction, electric motors for everything etc. While I"m a big fan of technology this makes them expensive. Plus, the new high output 255 hp 3.0 liter will still not able to out run a g35 which costs many thousands less.
Sorry, just kinda nostalgic from the last time I heard this engine.
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I left it out purposely as its probly toast anyway.
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