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TSX: Boeing Dreamliner!
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Okay, I love the TSX; and for the $, I still would buy another one for MY2007. But if your concern is power and how it responds with 5 passengers...in my opinion you will not be impressed with the TSX.....that is, you won't see the value for the money for ~$40,000CDN or ~$30,000USD from the sole stand point of engine performance (auto) ....you can buy a V6 Accord which is faster for cheaper or you can buy an Altima 2.5L which feels faster for alot cheaper. I used the word feels because its not actually faster but has superior low end torque which makes it feel faster. On paper, the TL is a great car, so is the Accord. People who step up to the plate and buy the TSX have also acknowledged other items; projector not sealed beam headlights, aluminum suspension components, excellent interior material quality, 360 watts of sound, unbelievable stability and control in cornering for FWD car, etc... A TSX is like one of those athletes that does a 100m run, long jump, triple jump, cross country run, throwing, etc. It does everything well. Its not a 100m specialist which has all its eggs in one basket.
Good Luck in your purchase.
Good Luck in your purchase.
TSX: Boeing Dreamliner!
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Originally Posted by Endless-Whitetsx
Well first off.. I just like to say I was comparing the RDX and the TL-s since I test drove both..
So the TL-S had power.. luxury.. ooo the leather was so soft.. I personally dont like the TLs look but hey it can grow on you.. it had like 283 hp and 200 something torq I dont rememeber.. the rear license plate camera made me fall in love haha.. Only bad thing is that the stock tires are the same as the TSX.. I mentioned to the SR are you serious? Alot of torq steer during our test drove..
On the other hand.. for the RDX.. First you neeed to get the steel steps cuz it looks ugly without it and that cost around $1200 cdn cant exactly remember but around there so it puts the RDX about $1500 less then the TL-S. The interior leather isnt as nice.. the navi position sucks cuz u can see it properley, also the rear seat head rest are just pitiful. Now the power, wait what power.. the turbo was horrible.. it states that the RDX has 250 plus torque because of the turbo but it didnt even move.. the car was slow.. I know its an suv but with more torq then hp I really shouldnt be like that. Me and my buddy who is on this forum agreeed our TSX felt faster.. the handling was good because it was SH-AWD but thats about it...
Overall RDX = just another car.. TL-S is a nice luxury, powerful sporty sedan but my next car will be an Mcoupe so these both dont fit me.. lol..
So the TL-S had power.. luxury.. ooo the leather was so soft.. I personally dont like the TLs look but hey it can grow on you.. it had like 283 hp and 200 something torq I dont rememeber.. the rear license plate camera made me fall in love haha.. Only bad thing is that the stock tires are the same as the TSX.. I mentioned to the SR are you serious? Alot of torq steer during our test drove..
On the other hand.. for the RDX.. First you neeed to get the steel steps cuz it looks ugly without it and that cost around $1200 cdn cant exactly remember but around there so it puts the RDX about $1500 less then the TL-S. The interior leather isnt as nice.. the navi position sucks cuz u can see it properley, also the rear seat head rest are just pitiful. Now the power, wait what power.. the turbo was horrible.. it states that the RDX has 250 plus torque because of the turbo but it didnt even move.. the car was slow.. I know its an suv but with more torq then hp I really shouldnt be like that. Me and my buddy who is on this forum agreeed our TSX felt faster.. the handling was good because it was SH-AWD but thats about it...
Overall RDX = just another car.. TL-S is a nice luxury, powerful sporty sedan but my next car will be an Mcoupe so these both dont fit me.. lol..
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Originally Posted by Ellas9
Okay, I love the TSX; and for the $, I still would buy another one for MY2007. But if your concern is power and how it responds with 5 passengers...in my opinion you will not be impressed with the TSX.....that is, you won't see the value for the money for ~$40,000CDN or ~$30,000USD from the sole stand point of engine performance (auto) ....you can buy a V6 Accord which is faster for cheaper or you can buy an Altima 2.5L which feels faster for alot cheaper. I used the word feels because its not actually faster but has superior low end torque which makes it feel faster. On paper, the TL is a great car, so is the Accord. People who step up to the plate and buy the TSX have also acknowledged other items; projector not sealed beam headlights, aluminum suspension components, excellent interior material quality, 360 watts of sound, unbelievable stability and control in cornering for FWD car, etc... A TSX is like one of those athletes that does a 100m run, long jump, triple jump, cross country run, throwing, etc. It does everything well. Its not a 100m specialist which has all its eggs in one basket.
Good Luck in your purchase.
Good Luck in your purchase.
okie thats one saying the tsx doesnt really perform well with a full load , any other takers?
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Originally Posted by evil_acura
okie thats one saying the tsx doesnt really perform well with a full load , any other takers?
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Originally Posted by Ellas9
Hey, I respect your opinion....but if you think the TSX feels faster than an RDX....I would like to find out how you broke in the TSX! No way man....the RDX has better low, mid and high end torque....maybe you got a bad RDX to drive. Mazda Speed products are like hot women who are sluts....they are discusting inside....not what I want to spend a conseridable amount of years with. Mazda uses cheap materials, has far less considerations for the little things and the drive is still not balanced or competent overall compared to what an Acura or Honda product could offer in the same category.
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
If you wanted to drive a fast SUV, have you tried the FX45? That thing would kill both the MDX and RDX.
Nothing that will win any awards in my mind...
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
If you wanted to drive a fast SUV, have you tried the FX45? That thing would kill both the MDX and RDX.
Nothing that will win any awards in my mind.
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evil_acura, I think you should test drive the TSX, TL, and any other car you want to compare them to (if you haven't already, but it sounds like you haven't). That way, you can decide for yourself what you like, don't like, can live with or not, etc. Your own opinion is what matters most, so you are the only one who can decide which car is right for you.
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Originally Posted by Endless-Whitetsx
Well first off I wasnt test driving that car to see how fast it is.. I test drove it because it was in the price range of the TL-S and it has the new turbo engine from Acura.. with numbers 240hp and 260lbs of torq.. Mind you I am a honda fan so not bashing Acura cars nor would I be buying a SUV or 4 door for my next car.. was there doing a service lol... The RDX didnt feel it had those numbers.. so I was comparing the RDX to its own numbers. Not saying its not a nice car but once again "its just another car". Nothing spectacular on the luxury side, preformance, looks or even price point...
Nothing that will win any awards in my mind.
Nothing that will win any awards in my mind.
Any chance you test drove the new 07 Outlander too? I was looking into that too since that has even more standard equipment than an RDX and its cheaper too, but it's only 220hp V6.
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
Any chance you test drove the new 07 Outlander too? I was looking into that too since that has even more standard equipment than an RDX and its cheaper too, but it's only 220hp V6.
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Cool, well, I like Acura, but I think their current car lineup is missing something, which is the soul of driving an automobile.
What would everyone pick right now if they wanted a car with a soul:
2007 TL-S, 2007 G35, 2007 328i, or 2007 IS350?
What would everyone pick right now if they wanted a car with a soul:
2007 TL-S, 2007 G35, 2007 328i, or 2007 IS350?
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Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX
evil_acura, I think you should test drive the TSX, TL, and any other car you want to compare them to (if you haven't already, but it sounds like you haven't). That way, you can decide for yourself what you like, don't like, can live with or not, etc. Your own opinion is what matters most, so you are the only one who can decide which car is right for you.
no your right i havent test drove them yet not becasue im too lazy but casue i cant at the momment, im nowhere near any dealership or even close to getting to one untill 08 thats why im just asking all of your opinions about the tsx and how it compares to others (research). like my last post , the tsx is a 4cylner 4d, now since it is a 4d obviously i will be carrying around more people then i would in a coupe, once again my question is how does the 4cylner hold up to a fully pack ride?? do i have to make the car scream just to go normal or it cruises???
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Originally Posted by evil_acura
no your right i havent test drove them yet not becasue im too lazy but casue i cant at the momment, im nowhere near any dealership or even close to getting to one untill 08 thats why im just asking all of your opinions about the tsx and how it compares to others (research). like my last post , the tsx is a 4cylner 4d, now since it is a 4d obviously i will be carrying around more people then i would in a coupe, once again my question is how does the 4cylner hold up to a fully pack ride?? do i have to make the car scream just to go normal or it cruises???
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Originally Posted by evil_acura
no your right i havent test drove them yet not becasue im too lazy but casue i cant at the momment, im nowhere near any dealership or even close to getting to one untill 08 thats why im just asking all of your opinions about the tsx and how it compares to others (research). like my last post , the tsx is a 4cylner 4d, now since it is a 4d obviously i will be carrying around more people then i would in a coupe, once again my question is how does the 4cylner hold up to a fully pack ride?? do i have to make the car scream just to go normal or it cruises???
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
Cool, well, I like Acura, but I think their current car lineup is missing something, which is the soul of driving an automobile.
What would everyone pick right now if they wanted a car with a soul:
2007 TL-S, 2007 G35, 2007 328i, or 2007 IS350?
What would everyone pick right now if they wanted a car with a soul:
2007 TL-S, 2007 G35, 2007 328i, or 2007 IS350?
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In my opinion, as a 21-yr-old interested in some luxury features but wanting horsepower and handling to go with it, look at the Mazdaspeed3. For about $25k, you can get a lot of higher-end creature features (xenon, nav, some leather, rain-sensing wipers, 18" rims, etc.) and smoke lots of cars in acceleration and handling. Certainly that includes the TSX, and the Si for that matter.
The Civic Si is a great car, too -- a couple ticks slower than the 'Speed3 but also cheaper and that leaves room for mods. If you're into the TL-S league money-wise, you have lots to choose from: G35, IS350, 330i, etc. The TSX is a blend of in-between qualities but without modification it will lose acceleration contests with less-expensive but more-powerful cars like Si, 'Speed3, AV6, etc.
The Civic Si is a great car, too -- a couple ticks slower than the 'Speed3 but also cheaper and that leaves room for mods. If you're into the TL-S league money-wise, you have lots to choose from: G35, IS350, 330i, etc. The TSX is a blend of in-between qualities but without modification it will lose acceleration contests with less-expensive but more-powerful cars like Si, 'Speed3, AV6, etc.
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What about the Mitsubishi Eclipse, nobody here suggest them. Anyone ever owned them? how are they compared to Acura/Honda cars. Before i got the TSX i considered getting the EVO but i liked the durability of Honda/Acura since our family had owned a Civic and My mom still drives the Odyssey so far no problem with her car yet going 100+k miles on the odometer.
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Originally Posted by VegaTSX
What about the Mitsubishi Eclipse, nobody here suggest them. Anyone ever owned them? how are they compared to Acura/Honda cars. Before i got the TSX i considered getting the EVO but i liked the durability of Honda/Acura since our family had owned a Civic and My mom still drives the Odyssey so far no problem with her car yet going 100+k miles on the odometer.
peter_bigblock - im also trying to stay away from the mazda family , they are good cars but like i said in my other post and others have also mention they are not that reliable.
tsx, tl-s, or whatever im planning on keeping this car for at least a good 5 yrs minimal, and if it still "loves" me after that then no point in getting another car, but this is why i created this thread to know if this vech can perform and will last compared to other 4clyners.
sooo now i got 1 saying it sucks with a full load, and another saying its actually quite good with a full load
1/1 anyone else have any input?
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Vs. other 4cyl cars the TSX will hold its own in terms of acceleration. Vs. cars with better power/weight ratios it will tend to lose and there are more and more of those. This is an entry-level luxury car from a luxury marque, so you're spending some of your money on comforts, some on cache, and some on reputation for longevity. With, for instance, a Mazdaspeed3, you're spending more of your money on performance with a few bells/whistles thrown in and, generally, more reliability risk.
With a Civic Si, you're getting terrific performance with fewer comforts and a non-premium brand, but you're paying a few thousand less. With the TL-S, you're getting the whole Magilla, but you're paying $10,000 to $15,000 more than the TSX and Si, resp.
With a Civic Si, you're getting terrific performance with fewer comforts and a non-premium brand, but you're paying a few thousand less. With the TL-S, you're getting the whole Magilla, but you're paying $10,000 to $15,000 more than the TSX and Si, resp.
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Personally, I test drove the Speed3. Not impressed at all. Had way too much pull to one side under heavy acceleration. Was good for straight line performance but handled poorly in the curves IMO. Now, a car that was a hoot to drive was the VW GTI. Had pleanty of giddy up and really handled well. Then I drove the TSX and that was it. I was sold. Solid performance. Handled way better than the Speed3. Had much more goin for it on the interior than the GTI with power and handling on par with it. Felt the GTI was too small and a bit cheesy inside. That's where the TSX really creamed it. I am really diggin this car so far!
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so far, my feelings is towards the tsx, but my gut is still not turning. okie forget the other cars its down to this
im planning to keep this car "until the end of time"
obviously i want a 4d so i can carry more passengers/cargo
reasons why i choose this over the accord or other "good 4doors is becasue i love how the tsx looks inside and out, it just looks so pleasing to the eye.
so my question still continues, is it laggy with a full load and i have to wot it at low gears just to keep up with aggressive drivers (not off the line burnout drivers) but hopefully u guys get the idea. if no then your lookin at a new tsxr in 08
majority will help rule this so far its 1/1
im planning to keep this car "until the end of time"
obviously i want a 4d so i can carry more passengers/cargo
reasons why i choose this over the accord or other "good 4doors is becasue i love how the tsx looks inside and out, it just looks so pleasing to the eye.
so my question still continues, is it laggy with a full load and i have to wot it at low gears just to keep up with aggressive drivers (not off the line burnout drivers) but hopefully u guys get the idea. if no then your lookin at a new tsxr in 08
majority will help rule this so far its 1/1
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Originally Posted by aaronng
Go and test drive a TSX manual, with 4 salespeople with you in the car.
Seriously though, go manual for the TSX. If you can't drive stick, then go for a V6 car.
Seriously though, go manual for the TSX. If you can't drive stick, then go for a V6 car.
oh no im def getting manual (never own an auto , n dont plan too) as for the test drive unfortunatley i cant not for a very very long time, soo in the mean time all of your feed back is much welcomed =]
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From: WDMIA
In my experience I notice when a couple adult passengers are in the car with me. With just one passenger, I can't tell the performance difference. With a car that is known for high-rpm hp and moderate torque, the effect of added weight will be noticeable.
Interesting to hear the comparison of the 'Speed3 and GTI to the TSX. The bottom line is you'll need to drive the cars you're considering. That's the only way you'll be able to really imagine keeping the car for many years without regrets. The TSX is a car all about balance and, for some people, that's perfect (like me) while for others, it leaves them wanting in the areas where the compromises were made -- sheer horsepower and, moreso, torque are one of those areas.
For a naturally aspirated 4cyl sedan, the TSX will more than hold its own in acceleration, but that's a pretty big qualifier in a market awash in V6 or turbocharged engines making 60-100 more lb-ft of torque.
Interesting to hear the comparison of the 'Speed3 and GTI to the TSX. The bottom line is you'll need to drive the cars you're considering. That's the only way you'll be able to really imagine keeping the car for many years without regrets. The TSX is a car all about balance and, for some people, that's perfect (like me) while for others, it leaves them wanting in the areas where the compromises were made -- sheer horsepower and, moreso, torque are one of those areas.
For a naturally aspirated 4cyl sedan, the TSX will more than hold its own in acceleration, but that's a pretty big qualifier in a market awash in V6 or turbocharged engines making 60-100 more lb-ft of torque.
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You should not be worried about driving around with 4 people in the car. My wife and I took my parents to Laughlin when I first bought the TSX and I had no problems passing other cars (even uphill), merging with traffic when getting on the highway, or driving around in city traffic. Same experience when we took my wife's sister and her niece around No Cal wine country. This is with an 04 AT. It had sufficient power for anything I needed to do. Your 06 MT will only improve on that. However, the TSX is not a race car and will not beat the TL or the Speed3 or even the GTI. So, if you want to race then I suggest you look elsewhere.
Lastly, a test drive is essential since everybody has an opinion but our opinions are based on personal points of reference.
Lastly, a test drive is essential since everybody has an opinion but our opinions are based on personal points of reference.
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All of your comments really have helped me in making my choice. So far i think the tsx is for me. Just to clear things up i didnt expect the tsx to "act" like a v6 or even a racecar, i know its not ALL that its in between with all the goodies. Im most definetly getting the tsx over the tl why? becasue im sure if i needed some heavy maintence done it would be safe to say the tsx wont rip my wallet out of my pants. Now then, the only thing i have left to consider is if the 08 model will be worth buying hopefully not just 1 simple upgrade like the 06-07.
thx again for all your guys help and im glad this forum dont consist of people that are closed minded or "one minded" like some of the other forums i been too.
<---tsxer in 08 muahah
thx again for all your guys help and im glad this forum dont consist of people that are closed minded or "one minded" like some of the other forums i been too.
<---tsxer in 08 muahah
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I test drove the Civic Si, and it's REAL fast, so no, the TSX isn't quite that fast. But I'd think the TSX would be faster than the normal Civics. I also had a Prelude previously. The TSX is nearly the same speed, maybe just a bit slower. (I think the TSX has more torque, but it also has more weight to carry around.) With a manual TSX, I wouldn't take it drag racing, but I don't think you're going to be left in the dust by 4cyl economy cars.
After test-driving the Civic Si, I was very happy to get back into my TSX and drive.
As for a full load, I've had multiple passengers, and it was OK. Like aaronng said, you can just wind it up a bit more to get some more power out of it. You might not be able to pass like you want, though. It's not often that you really need full power in most real world driving. It definitely takes a bit of a performance hit, but with normal driving, it's not a big deal.
After test-driving the Civic Si, I was very happy to get back into my TSX and drive.
As for a full load, I've had multiple passengers, and it was OK. Like aaronng said, you can just wind it up a bit more to get some more power out of it. You might not be able to pass like you want, though. It's not often that you really need full power in most real world driving. It definitely takes a bit of a performance hit, but with normal driving, it's not a big deal.
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
Cool, well, I like Acura, but I think their current car lineup is missing something, which is the soul of driving an automobile.
What would everyone pick right now if they wanted a car with a soul:
2007 TL-S, 2007 G35, 2007 328i, or 2007 IS350?
What would everyone pick right now if they wanted a car with a soul:
2007 TL-S, 2007 G35, 2007 328i, or 2007 IS350?
If having a cheap interior is the soul of a car, then yes, the 3-series or G35...
(Ok, I'm being a bit mean, but I think I should be allowed, while on the TSX board, to slam the competition a bit. ) I could have kicked in a bit of extra dough and gotten a slightly-used car that was a better raw performer; my gut feeling is that having less power makes the TSX have less "soul" in your mind.
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