Tintin

anyone read this article...

edmunds.com

i totally disagree with this, especially from a person who owned a jetta

Nikki

What do you disagree with, the Jetta winning?
They didn't say anything bad about the TSX either, it was a rather bland article.
You also can't compare the older Jettas with this new one.

scheißterhöffer

They say it's like their closest road test ever, only 2% apart, but to read the writeup, it seems like they don't even think it's close. Strange.

Sebo

they are comparing a car with a turbocharger vs a car without it.

too bad the TSX doesn't have turbo.. imagine if it did.. call it what you want, it still a crappy old jetta in disguise.

xenonhid

xenonhid

Jetta

hellspare

The jetta is better performance wise, yes. But that performance will only last you oh so long before the car falls apart.

meesr

I don't like the looks of the GLI....... but gentlemen, I've driven both (TSX Manual tranny..... and GLI manual), and I'm here to say from a driver's perspective, including handling, accelearation, and seat of the pants feel:

The GLI will eat your car for lunch.

That being said, I can't wait for Acura to release the all new TSX in a couple of years to address the current model's shortcomings.

hellspare

The Acura is a performance based car, but the base Tsx isn't all out performance. In that article they said handling wise, the two cars are pretty evenly matched, and that's the VW with sport package, and the Acura WITHOUT.

With that said, there's luxury and refinement in the TSX that you can't find in the VW.

leftride

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well said

meesr

It's not the VW with Sport Package....... I believe it's the GLI. There is no sport suspension option on the GLI. Stock GLI, if I'm not mistaken.

As for luxury and refinement.......... honestly, drive the GLI and see what feels like a sports sedan.

Sebo

take turbocharger out the GLI and i'll eat both you and the GLI for lunch.
- that is the only thing that adds any meaning to the car..

polytsx

These are my comments on this article from another thread...

I actually thought the Inside line was one of the better reviews I have read. I did find it a bit odd that they would add the NAV option on the TSX and not select the same NAV option for the GLI. Had they done so, according to their own numbers, the GLI would have cost in excess of $ 30K compared to the $ 29, 190 for the TSX.

While they did make the disclaimer that the TSX performance numbers would have been enhanced with summer tires, it should also be noted that GLI customers in a snowy climate will also have the added expense of snow tires as well.

Having said all of that, I do think they did a good job of the review. Small details like the aluminum pedals, more effective heated seats, larger shit knob, and steering wheel “racing” flat spot were all noted as VW advantages by the reviewer. None of these details would likely cost Acura much to incorporate, and would result in an even better TSX.

I also give credit to the reviewer for remarking on the vastly superior TSX stereo, and likewise the fact that most everything is standard on the TSX, while everything on the GLI must be optioned.

In whole when you consider that the TSX came out in late 2003 I was pretty impressed how well it stacks up to the most recent 2006 vintage GLI And in the real world where reliability and resale enter into the game Acura wins hands down. After all, at the end of the day the GLI is still a Volkswagen.

iamhomin

Fair article.

The author obviously was into the car's fun factor.

SilverUA5

Jettas are made in Mexico right?

excited

We all know that the 06 TSX would have kick the GLI's ass. They should have compared the 06 TSX with the 06 GLI.



Excited

hellspare

HAHAHA OWNED!
Actually, let's not be racist.

calgary2800

Dude, we are talking about 207lbs torque at 1800rpm. GLI for me please.

I will deal with the repair issues later, those numbers rock and roll.

God, I want a turbocharged car so bad.

TinkyWinky

Why compare 18" performance with stock 17" all-season tires?

excited

Perhaps this is your huckleberry: http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...ehicleCode=MS6



Excited

03CoupeV6

Bias drips from that Inside Line review. I'm shocked at what dumbasses Edmunds.com has turned out to be. This reminds me of the time in 2002 when they tested all the major sports sedans and the TL-S won over the BMW, then the next year tested the identical cars and the BMW won because the TL-S was mysteriously half a second slower.

vitocorleone

thank god the tsx isn't turbocharged! no, really - i probably wouldn't have bought it. and thank you acura for designing the car the is STILL the best at nothing except being good at everything; i wouldn't trade my 04 for the GLI if you paid me (unless maybe you paid me a LOT - its a VW and it's also fugly as all heck). the gli may have better performance, but if all i wanted was performance i'd have bought an 04 G35, or even an 04 TL. the fact that the a4 was a vw is reason i didn't get one (let alone the 1.8T model being a turbo).

CarbonGray Earl

More Torque=Fun? I sense a bit of bias, but its a pretty valid review. It seems our slalom numbers are better though and thats with the TSX being undertired. The GLI drives a bit heavier as well? Knowing the "germanic" feel for handling, well I still prefer the Honda/Acura interpretation of good handling.

The fact that a FWD/non Turbo car is within 2% points on a torque biased review and knowing how much of a feature advantage we have, I think the TSX is a much better car (and the 2006 will be even better-except for the rims of course).

meesr

2006 adds what.......... 10-15hp to the TSX? Perhaps, but my test drive of TSX's found it much lacking on torque. No way the 2006 TSX is going to go head on with GLI's torque.

Again, I just can't wait until 2008 when the new TSX will be here. Hope the seats are better.

peter_bigblock

It's the age old debate -- the Acura isn't a torque or horsepower monster, it does everything you ask of it exceptionally well without unnecessary tradeoffs. The GLI, it sounds like, does a lot of things very well but has some shortcomings. What stood out to me was that, on mediocre tires, the TSX outran the GLI in a slalom, which is what I consider spirited driving. Put $400 worth of summer tires on the TSX and that gets amplified.

Personal preferences will probably sell both companies a lot of each model, but in my opinon the Acura will be more of a classic -- that rare car where everything is just so. The GLI joins a long list of not-really-luxury turbocharged cars that likely won't wear as well.

I was left with the impression that, if the TSX hadn't had nav, it would have just barely edged the GLI and the writer would have had to write a different article. You can't say one car barely edged the other and then write about how fantastic the other is.

I wouldn't trade my TSX for a GLI, nor would I buy the GLI if I were looking today.

cp3117

I believe it gets 5 extra hp and some minor cosmetic changes which even edmunds said wouldnt make a difference.

I agree....I don't think Acura officials saw this one coming and now that they see that a VW actually beat them in a comparison they may finally come out with a TSX in a year or two that will actually have a drivetrain to go with the TSX to give it some sport in the entry sport-luxury market.

West6MT

The jetta is better performance wise, yes. But that performance will only last you oh so long before the car falls apart.



Silver, yes they are made in mexico. I dunno why they included the Navi in the TSX and not for the GLI. GLI is ugly, even my die hard VW fan friend hates the new jetta.

rivvin

Good article but it was like telling someone YOU SHOULD BY THE JETTA! Seems like they were quick to point out all the plus on the jetta and negative on tsx.


And wasn't one of the guy a previous jetta owner?

hans007

i think it looks better than the last one. same with the new golf. but it still looks like a larger corolla.

mg7726

GLI is VW's top of the line plus it has a blower, and it was inevitable that some other car will beat the TSX - the market's getting crowded. edmunds should of compared the '06 TSX to the '06 GLI.

GLIs are a nice ride, but i'd refuse to own anything VW. their dealerships sucks and you'll def be bringing your ride there...without a loaner!!

ianS

Turbo? no thank you, no more turbo for me! If I dun mind the rough of turbo, wasn't WRX, STi, Legacy GT will be the way better choice?

CGTSX2004

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Actually, it's more like a 15hp bump before the readjustment for the new SAE hp numbers. It also gets additional equipment upgrades with what will likely be a minimal increase in price.

As for the drivetrains, that's a long term design process and is likely something Acura already has in the works as opposed to something they will start just now.

CGTSX2004

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The GLI is the sport suspension option. The GLI gets a different suspension from the standard Jettas.

STL

You're wrong about the HP figure. An uneducated person might think it's only 5HP because they don't realize Honda/Acura changed the way they rate their HP (and that started with '06 models). Just look at the '06 TL; it stayed the same and it's HP figure went down 13. The actual difference on TSX will likely be at least +10HP but could be more. I bet most people who have done Hondata to thier '04s would argue it did make a noticable difference -- and this '06 change should be at least that substantial (if not more so).

TSX6one9

SilverUA5

I would prefer the Passat over the Jetta any day, but I've heard services from VW are crap, unlike Audi.

CarbonGray Earl

He keeps ignoring this fact, that the HP ratings have CHANGED and that 205 probably equals about 215-220 with the old system. To me, that REEKS of troll.

Good to see other views, but definitely bad to ignore facts when presenting a opposing viewpoint to the opposition...doesn't help anything.

meesr

I get loaners from my VW dealer every time I bring it in for scheduled maintenance.

They gave me a new Passat last week...... 500 miles on it!

Powered by Honda

The Jetta they tested comes with super low profile tires, I guess thats why it feels the jetta handles better? TSX tires are for comfort and for 100,000km++

o_nate

I use my car as a daily commuter, and the only thing that keeps me from blowing my brains out from being stuck in traffic is being able to listen to music. So the fact that TSX has a far superior stereo is by itself enough to sway me to the TSX.

I know I could spring for an aftermarket stereo for the GLI, but the TSX also has a quieter ride, so I doubt even a better stereo in the GLI would sound better in actual driving conditions.