fdl

In that ridiculous "TSX ranks last" thread zircon mentions a Car and Driver comparison between the BMW 325, TSX, IS300, and Grand Prix GTP.

Does such a thing really exist? Was he confused? Or bsing?

dom

I have the October issue and everyone before that and I don't see such a comparison?

fdl

Well I don't know what the hell he was talking about then. Here is exactly what he posted in page 3 of that other thread...

"The best comparo of these cars was in Car and Driver. Your beloved BMW was never worse than 2nd of 4 cars tested (TSX, IS300, Grand Prix GTP) in any of the 5-6 categories, and was 1st twice. Acura was 1st twice also, but was last in acceleration and braking (the car's only flaw). Let's leave it at this and all go out and drive our cars..."

dom

I wondered about what the hell he was talking about too. But lets face it, if there was a comparo that tested the TSX vs BMW vs Grand Prix vs IS300 it would have been posted here.

I think he was still referring to the Automobile comparo though from what I can muster?

fdl

Just say no to drugs.

Brad

We mustn't forget that not all trolls are locked up...yet.

KC 2004 TSX

I think he is talking out of his

fdl

I thought something smelt funny

wishiwere

Maybe he was talking about a comparo that had the TL, not the tsx?

fdl

Was there even a comparo like that with the TL? I thought the TL was in a different class!

wishiwere

I'm not sure about a comparison with the grand prix, but I know C&D has done at least 2 comparisons in the past that had the TL and the 3-series (and usually the A4, IS300, etc.). I believe the premise of hte comparisons were usually "entry-level luxury sedan shootout" or something to that effect. And, in these comparisons, they actually did a very admirable job of explicitly describing all the criteria and the methods and scales used to judge the cars, and the final rankings were just the sum total of the scores in all the individual categories. I believe in one of the comparisons, teh bmw came out on top of just about every performance category, but the tl won because the price differential was so great. Then, the next time they did it, the bmw came out on top, even with the price being taken into account.

fdl

I remember seeing a CL-type S vs 330 comparo once. But anyways...the point is there is no TSX comparo by C&D yet But hopefully there will be one soon. I'm also looking forward to edmunds long term update. I want to see if they mention rattles.

wishiwere

Ooops...after looking it up, I see that I was wrong. It was actually Edmunds that did the comparisons I was referring to, and they were 2002 and 2001 tests. They are here:
http://edmunds.com/reviews/compariso...9/article.html
and http://edmunds.com/reviews/compariso...8/article.html

tsx-mdxman

It wasn't a comparison, Car and Driver showed the TSX's test numbers in comparison with the 3 series (325i), IS 300, etc, in their July issue full road test. It did well, bested in acceleration (by a hair's width) and on the skidpad (also within a hair's width) by the BMW (its fractionally better performance numbers in these two categories comes at a steep price, of course). Nothing fishy. Good article and another ringing endorsement of the TSX. Get lost, Wishewere trollman.
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04 TSX CG AT/NAV
03 MDX SSM TOURING/NAV/RES

jcg878

Edmunds didn't buy a long-term TSX, did they ??

wishiwere

What the hell are you talking about? My contributions to this thread consisted of conjecturing about the source of the comparison, as everyone else did, and then my pointing out of a comparison edmunds did that included the 3 series and the TL....that's trolling? You're luck a drug test isn't a mandatory requirement for posting...

AcuraFan

Sorry tsx-mdxman...but wishiwere has been civilized and objective in this thread. If you want to bash him, go to "the thread that never dies".

Ozzman

I've got what there talking about in front of me, page 81 July Car and Driver . . .

Just FYI, Rankings were as follows:

Current Base Brice:
1. Acura TSX
2. Grand Prix GTP Comp
3. BMW 325i
4. Lexus IS300

Acceleration:
1. Grand Prix
2. IS300
3. BMW
4. TSX

Braking:
1. 3251
2. IS300
3. Grand Prix
4. TSX

Roadhandling:
1. 325i
2. TSX
3. Grand Prix
4. IS300

Fuel Economy:
1. TSX
2. 325i
3. IS300
4. Grand Prix

wishiwere

Has anyone seen those pontiac commercials for the new Grand Prix where they talk about how it outhandles all cars in its class (I don't remember what names they threw out, but I know Audi was in there)? What a joke...I guess maybe its class is the boat class?

TinkySD

is that roadholding figure just the skidpad G figure? I'm really starting to wonder why most car comparos don't use the slalom speed...seems a better judge of handling to me. What i'm getting at is I don't think the pontiac can "outhandle" an is300....

1SICKLEX

That IS 300 has 16" tires, which damn near no IS has. Not sure why Lexus sent them one with 16s. The IS has gotten great reviews from C&D.

The TL-S has never come close to winning any comparison with these sport sedans. The TSX is a better handler and cheaper but slower, it should stack up well.

TSXautoXer

Road and Track uses a 700ft slalom, and Car and Driver uses emergency lane change manuever. I have to agree that a slalom tells a better story.