Another rant, TSX V6/V8

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Old 11-17-2003, 04:41 PM
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Another rant, TSX V6/V8

Possibilities?

C-Class is getting 5.5L V8 for it's next AMG version
S4 is using a 4.3 V8 and it's out now.
M3 still has in-line 6 but for how long?

Will TSX step up to the challenge or will this be the job of TL?

Discuss.
Old 11-17-2003, 04:43 PM
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good luck fitting a V8 into the TSX's engine bad.. maybe a 6 but an 8? yeah right
Old 11-17-2003, 05:04 PM
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V8? Front-wheel drive? What's the point? Only Cadillac would do such thing!
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All those cars are way out of the TSX and TLs leugue. I dont think we will ever see an acura with a v8.
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Re: Another rant, TSX V6/V8

Originally posted by Xtrema
Possibilities?

C-Class is getting 5.5L V8 for it's next AMG version
S4 is using a 4.3 V8 and it's out now.
M3 still has in-line 6 but for how long?

Will TSX step up to the challenge or will this be the job of TL?

Discuss.
But that M3's i6 just smoked that S4' V8 in the last comparison. If you look at the points, the M3 beat the pants off of the S4, but then they factored in a "value" rating an since the S4 was $6,000 less, it put it in 1st place. However, performance wise, that i6 beat the v8.
Old 11-17-2003, 06:27 PM
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M3 is like $60K plus. How can you compare? LOL

Imagine you buy a TSX, $30K. Then use the extra $30K to do extreme performance modifications on your car.......I am talking about Turbo, NOS, cylinder head porting, change the whole valatrain, engine balancing and much more................I can bet you, you can surely smoke the BMW M3!

$30K is alot of mods!
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Originally posted by kcnyc
M3 is like $60K plus. How can you compare? LOL

Imagine you buy a TSX, $30K. Then use the extra $30K to do extreme performance modifications on your car.......I am talking about Turbo, NOS, cylinder head porting, change the whole valatrain, engine balancing and much more................I can bet you, you can surely smoke the BMW M3!

$30K is alot of mods!
Of course you can smoke the M3, ...in a straight line. How about taking an old civic and doing 30k worth of mods. On a drag strip you will smoke every production car every produced. So what?

The M3, and similar cars get sports car performance while at the same time maintaining a civil ride (which your car wont), staying emissions compliant (which your car surely wont be), staying reliable (which your car surely wont be), etc.
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Originally posted by fdl
How about taking an old civic and doing 30k worth of mods. On a drag strip you will smoke every production car every produced. So what?


if you really care about speed and power, and that's all you care about, then you have bought the wrong car, imho. i am just not getting all of this "i want to kick the Evo/Wrx's/SVT's/whatever's ass off the line" that i'm hearing lately. the fact that your car's specs say 200+ hp does not mean you can take it to the drag strip and get at 13 second quarter mile time slip.

if you care about what people are really doing to get racing/quickness/performance out of a Honda/Acura, then get yourself to an Honda Challenge race, and sit there and chat with some of the guys tuning their cars about things like what a b-series can really do in a light CRX frame (or even the spec Miata Challenge, if that's your thing).
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Re: Another rant, TSX V6/V8

Originally posted by Xtrema
Possibilities?

C-Class is getting 5.5L V8 for it's next AMG version
S4 is using a 4.3 V8 and it's out now.
M3 still has in-line 6 but for how long?

Will TSX step up to the challenge or will this be the job of TL?

Discuss.
Don't expect a V8 from Honda in a production car in your lifetime, it doesn't fit their corporate image and it's just not a necessity. And if gas prices do a little more than continue to steadily creep up, MB, VW-Audi and the others will be dropping V8's real quick and finding more efficient ways to make their little sedans go fast. Personally, I think a V8 in an entry level sports sedan is a lame concept. Why would anyone pay, what is it, $45K for a souped up A4, when they could get a (admittedly stripped) 5 series or A6 or better yet, MDX or TL? And if you're looking for style points (which factors big in a luxury car purchase, let's be honest), an S4 is still just an A4 to most of your uniformed fellow motorists.
Old 11-17-2003, 10:10 PM
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Re: Re: Another rant, TSX V6/V8

Originally posted by tsx-mdxman
Don't expect a V8 from Honda in a production car in your lifetime, it doesn't fit their corporate image and it's just not a necessity. And if gas prices do a little more than continue to steadily creep up, MB, VW-Audi and the others will be dropping V8's real quick and finding more efficient ways to make their little sedans go fast. Personally, I think a V8 in an entry level sports sedan is a lame concept. Why would anyone pay, what is it, $45K for a souped up A4, when they could get a (admittedly stripped) 5 series or A6 or better yet, MDX or TL? And if you're looking for style points (which factors big in a luxury car purchase, let's be honest), an S4 is still just an A4 to most of your uniformed fellow motorists.
I would take an S4 over an A6, 5 series, MDX, or TL without a moments hesitation. (the 5 series might make me think about it if it was the v8).

I do agree that 99% of people would not be able to tell them apart from an A4 if not for the badge.
Old 11-17-2003, 10:26 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Another rant, TSX V6/V8

Originally posted by fdl
I would take an S4 over an A6, 5 series, MDX, or TL without a moments hesitation. (the 5 series might make me think about it if it was the v8).

I do agree that 99% of people would not be able to tell them apart from an A4 if not for the badge.
I agree. That's what makes the S4 so desirable. Can someone say sleeper?
Old 11-17-2003, 11:00 PM
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this stupid v6 stuff is getting old. If you want a bigger engine get a different car.
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Power and performance are not things Acura are concerned with, if you expect that from an automaker, look elsewhere... there will not be V8's, Forced Induction or RWD, AWD is still a long ways off for Honda/ACura..
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Re: Re: Another rant, TSX V6/V8

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But that M3's i6 just smoked that S4' V8 in the last comparison. If you look at the points, the M3 beat the pants off of the S4, but then they factored in a "value" rating an since the S4 was $6,000 less, it put it in 1st place. However, performance wise, that i6 beat the v8.
I believe the selling point of the S4 is the available Quattro.

This is just an interesting trend I've observed. The big boys are ditching Supercharger and Blowers and went with V8s.
Old 11-18-2003, 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by gilboman
Power and performance are not things Acura are concerned with, if you expect that from an automaker, look elsewhere... there will not be V8's, Forced Induction or RWD, AWD is still a long ways off for Honda/ACura..
I would say they ARE concerned with it becuase it is becoming more of a concern for consumers and they must react to maintain or gain profit share.

However, I agree with what people are saying...you want performance, get a '92 Mustang, add $5K of mods and you have a 400 hp RWD car you can drag with.
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Re: Re: Re: Another rant, TSX V6/V8

Originally posted by fdl
I would take an S4 over an A6, 5 series, MDX, or TL without a moments hesitation. (the 5 series might make me think about it if it was the v8).

I do agree that 99% of people would not be able to tell them apart from an A4 if not for the badge.
The S4 is a terrific car but I'm not a "pocket rocket" guy and have no need for a tiny car with a huge motor stuffed in it. The A6 offers more room, comfort, etc, for similar or slightly less bucks than the S4 (A4). And with the exception of us gearheads, you'll merely draw laughs from people when you tell them you spent so much for such a small car, regardless of how quick it is.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Another rant, TSX V6/V8

Originally posted by tsx-mdxman
The S4 is a terrific car but I'm not a "pocket rocket" guy and have no need for a tiny car with a huge motor stuffed in it. The A6 offers more room, comfort, etc, for similar or slightly less bucks than the S4 (A4). And with the exception of us gearheads, you'll merely draw laughs from people when you tell them you spent so much for such a small car, regardless of how quick it is.
And now the A4 and S4 are just a stubby (7/8ths) scale A6 anyway. I'd go for the extra room and not worry about racing for pink slips like a bunch of tools...
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I am sorry but this is a silly thread.
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
I am sorry but this is a silly thread.
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Re: Another rant, TSX V6/V8

Originally posted by Xtrema
C-Class is getting 5.5L V8 for it's next AMG version
S4 is using a 4.3 V8 and it's out now.
M3 still has in-line 6 but for how long?
C-Class: Longitudinal engine mounting, RWD
S4: Longitudinal engine, RWD..... Edit: I mean.....AWD
M3: Longitudinal engine, RWD

TSX: Transverse engine, FWD

There is no room in the TSX's engine bay to put a large engine. Making it a longitudinal mount would require a whole new chassis (same for TL). IF Honda were to come out with a chassis suitable for a longitudinal engine and RWD, they could fit a V-8 in there.....but they'll never make a V-8 in the first place, so just forget it. Sorry.
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I'm with tony and ricecake -- and sicklex!!!

And a bunch of other you's guys.
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Word to the Silly Thread of the Week nomination

If you want a drag car. Get a CRX and a B20 Frankenstein engine. If you want autocross handling, again CRX.

Not comfortable enough? Get some better Sparcos or Recaros
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