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Acura is the best
Many car critics and people throughout this site have criticized Acura by saying its cars are just BMW wannabes and that they cannot even compete in the luxury car arena. They have also said Acuras look dull, don’t handle as well as the German rivals and don’t offer as many gismos. Well, I agree. Acura is no BMW, Mercedes or Audi, either. Thank goodness. And it’s not made to be like those cars. Acuras are made to be Acuras, and they are targeted at different kind of customers: smart, discreet, self-fulfilled, financially stable driving passionates, with plenty of self-confidence who just don’t feel like a car with a fancy German name will make him look or feel better.
Personally, I think BMWs and Mercedes just make people look ridiculous nowadays. Every rapper, drug dealer, rich college kid, porn star (you name it) drives them. Every idiot who don’t even appreciate a good ride wants them. I agree, Bimmers and Mercedes are great cars, but I just don’t feel like spending tons of extra money on something that’s gonna make me look like a thug or something, when I can get something like a TSX (or a next-generation TL) for much less money. Acura sedans have qualities the German competitors don’t. They have precious, aggressive yet discreet shapes with plenty of road manners; ample, luxurious, comfortable interiors; best engineering in the world with plenty of technology. Ok, Acura doesn’t offer a V8 or a V12 engine in its lineup. But does it need to, if it offers state-of-the-art 4 and 6 cylinder engines that boast just as much power as many 8-cylinder engines out there? (not to mention the better gas mileage). Can BMW and Mercedes make 4 and 6-cylinder powerplants that are just as powerful and technologically advanced as Honda/Acura’s? (Perhaps they wouldn’t be making V8’s if they could). In a world with scarce fuel resources like the one we live in today, I believe it is essential that car makers follow Honda/Acura’s footsteps and attempt to maximize power and technology of 4 and 6-cyl engines. Well, this is just a personal opinion. If everyone were to agree in every single issue, this Acura-tsx.com car forum would be of no need for us. (so please don’t come sending me dirty replies calling me names and stuff
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Personally, I think BMWs and Mercedes just make people look ridiculous nowadays. Every rapper, drug dealer, rich college kid, porn star (you name it) drives them. Every idiot who don’t even appreciate a good ride wants them. I agree, Bimmers and Mercedes are great cars, but I just don’t feel like spending tons of extra money on something that’s gonna make me look like a thug or something, when I can get something like a TSX (or a next-generation TL) for much less money. Acura sedans have qualities the German competitors don’t. They have precious, aggressive yet discreet shapes with plenty of road manners; ample, luxurious, comfortable interiors; best engineering in the world with plenty of technology. Ok, Acura doesn’t offer a V8 or a V12 engine in its lineup. But does it need to, if it offers state-of-the-art 4 and 6 cylinder engines that boast just as much power as many 8-cylinder engines out there? (not to mention the better gas mileage). Can BMW and Mercedes make 4 and 6-cylinder powerplants that are just as powerful and technologically advanced as Honda/Acura’s? (Perhaps they wouldn’t be making V8’s if they could). In a world with scarce fuel resources like the one we live in today, I believe it is essential that car makers follow Honda/Acura’s footsteps and attempt to maximize power and technology of 4 and 6-cyl engines. Well, this is just a personal opinion. If everyone were to agree in every single issue, this Acura-tsx.com car forum would be of no need for us. (so please don’t come sending me dirty replies calling me names and stuff
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Interesting perspective. I guess I've never really heard anyone who adores Acura so much. Don't get me wrong, Acuras are great cars--and it looks like they're going to be MUCH better in the near future. I guess the only problem I have with Japanese cars in general, is their lack of emotional appeal. Sure, Acura (and Lexus) cars are VERY attractive and well built, but (for me) they just don't have "that" look or "that" feel. There's something about the complexity of the design of a Mercedes-Benz S-class or an E55. The materials in a European car just exude quality and inspire confidence--they're rich in texture and feel amazing. Besides that, I must admit that I like their presence. Their shapes are beautiful and graceful and are generally the trend-setters for the rest of the automotive world.
Acura is great, and it's cool to see someone who absolutely adores them. I can really tell Acura is making an effort to become a real player in the luxury car market--and they're challenging the Europeans head on. The TSX feels very European to me and I think this is going to be infused into every new Acura.
In conclusion, I'm interested in Acura and think they make great, amazingly reliable products. They're very nice looking cars in their own understated way and offer a great share of luxury. I do have a special spot for European cars, however.
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Interesting perspective. I guess I've never really heard anyone who adores Acura so much. Don't get me wrong, Acuras are great cars--and it looks like they're going to be MUCH better in the near future. I guess the only problem I have with Japanese cars in general, is their lack of emotional appeal. Sure, Acura (and Lexus) cars are VERY attractive and well built, but (for me) they just don't have "that" look or "that" feel. There's something about the complexity of the design of a Mercedes-Benz S-class or an E55. The materials in a European car just exude quality and inspire confidence--they're rich in texture and feel amazing. Besides that, I must admit that I like their presence. Their shapes are beautiful and graceful and are generally the trend-setters for the rest of the automotive world.
Acura is great, and it's cool to see someone who absolutely adores them. I can really tell Acura is making an effort to become a real player in the luxury car market--and they're challenging the Europeans head on. The TSX feels very European to me and I think this is going to be infused into every new Acura.
In conclusion, I'm interested in Acura and think they make great, amazingly reliable products. They're very nice looking cars in their own understated way and offer a great share of luxury. I do have a special spot for European cars, however.
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Re: Acura is the best
Originally posted by Accord Euro-R
Personally, I think BMWs and Mercedes just make people look ridiculous nowadays. Every rapper, drug dealer, rich college kid, porn star (you name it) drives them. Every idiot who don’t even appreciate a good ride wants them. I agree, Bimmers and Mercedes are great cars, but I just don’t feel like spending tons of extra money on something that’s gonna make me look like a thug or something, when I can get something like a TSX (or a next-generation TL) for much less money.
Personally, I think BMWs and Mercedes just make people look ridiculous nowadays. Every rapper, drug dealer, rich college kid, porn star (you name it) drives them. Every idiot who don’t even appreciate a good ride wants them. I agree, Bimmers and Mercedes are great cars, but I just don’t feel like spending tons of extra money on something that’s gonna make me look like a thug or something, when I can get something like a TSX (or a next-generation TL) for much less money.
08-05-2003, 11:57 PM
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Personally, I think BMWs and Mercedes just make people look ridiculous nowadays. Every rapper, drug dealer, rich college kid, porn star (you name it) drives them.
Personally, I think BMWs and Mercedes just make people look ridiculous nowadays. Every rapper, drug dealer, rich college kid, porn star (you name it) drives them.
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Re: Re: Acura is the best
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You'll be happy to note that the Acura RL has become one of the premier ghetto fabulous cruiser of choice. Note that rapper Ludacris owns a Legend, and the Acura NSX was featured in one of his videos.
You'll be happy to note that the Acura RL has become one of the premier ghetto fabulous cruiser of choice. Note that rapper Ludacris owns a Legend, and the Acura NSX was featured in one of his videos.
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Sure, I undestand your opinion. And by saying you like "European cars" you probably mean "German cars", right? Keep in mind the outdated Lada cars from Russia, the nearly bankrupt Fiat, added by Peugeot, Vauxhall, Rover-MG, Renault, Citroën, Opel, Seat, Moskvich, Skoda, etc. are all European manufacturers as well, and they are just as bland as the Japanese but of much inferior quality.
To be honest with you, I also like the PREMIUM German line of vehicles as well. Outside of America, I am a huge fan of BMW and Mercedes, but my favourite is Audi. I am from Köln (or Cologne), Germany and I'm in the US as an exchanged student.
I just think Americans are too materialistic and most of them buy expensive cars just for looks. It even seems like they all wish they were Germans (hehe). Well, my girlfriend is japanese and I love the japanese culture. And you have to understand their culture to understand why their cars have sort of cleaner looks. I've never owned a japanese car in my life; my parents own an Opel Vectra and a Toyota Avensis back in Germany, but I've been a Honda fan since the late '80s when Honda built and supplied engines to McLarens in the Formula 1. The driver Airton Senna won 3 championships with the McLaren-Honda. I know I'd be wasting time by talking about Formula 1 racing in a country where the only racing competition people know of is Nascar <puke>.
To be honest with you, I also like the PREMIUM German line of vehicles as well. Outside of America, I am a huge fan of BMW and Mercedes, but my favourite is Audi. I am from Köln (or Cologne), Germany and I'm in the US as an exchanged student.
I just think Americans are too materialistic and most of them buy expensive cars just for looks. It even seems like they all wish they were Germans (hehe). Well, my girlfriend is japanese and I love the japanese culture. And you have to understand their culture to understand why their cars have sort of cleaner looks. I've never owned a japanese car in my life; my parents own an Opel Vectra and a Toyota Avensis back in Germany, but I've been a Honda fan since the late '80s when Honda built and supplied engines to McLarens in the Formula 1. The driver Airton Senna won 3 championships with the McLaren-Honda. I know I'd be wasting time by talking about Formula 1 racing in a country where the only racing competition people know of is Nascar <puke>.
08-06-2003, 12:33 AM
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I must be in the minority also...The only cars that trip my trigger are Japenese Cars. The Infiniti G35 Coupe and Nissan 350z are probably my two favorites w/ the exception of the TSX. Strangley enough the other car I really like is the Chrysler Crossfire, that fuckers bad lookin.
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By the way...If ya haven't seen a Crossfire in person, don't give me any shit.
By the way...If ya haven't seen a Crossfire in person, don't give me any shit.
How disappointing :'(SPUDMTN
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The Crossfire's a nice car though. I wish I had the chance to see one in person. I know they are built on an outdated Mercedes SLK platform in Germany but still, it is still a great car with gorgeous American style. But be honest... the Buick Century is a winner (just kidding).
08-06-2003, 12:56 AM
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Hey Fockers...I'm a Ford fan that owns a TSX. I saw a white Crossfire at a dealer with the wing up, and it was cool looking. I wouldn't own a Dodge if someone bought it for me...unless it was a Crossfire.
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The TSX looks fine. Its not flashy, thats not Honda's style.
I like Honda's because they look good even 10 years later. I think that helps their resale value. Look at the PT Cruiser or some of the newer Nissans, those will be considered hideous and "out of style" pretty soon.
Hondas/Acuras have always been the "engineer's driving car". They keep the interior simple, ergonomic and unobjectionable with high quality materials. The exterior as well follows this philosophy.
Its the internals that are REALLY flashy. Technology galore! The next time someone disparages a Honda/Acura for being "boring" or bland, I'll pop open the hood and show them how bland and un-boring one REALLY is.
Its all about perception Its like a girlfriend/boyfriend... do you want someone who looks attractive, ages well on the exterior, has an engaging personality, doesn't bite back and has "depth" ? I do. I don't want a girlfriend who has this "look at me!" exterior, lacks polish/refinement in the personality department. She'd just be another shallow looking two dollar whore.
I prefer quality and sometimes quality requires appreciation of the little things that aren't so obvious.
I like Honda's because they look good even 10 years later. I think that helps their resale value. Look at the PT Cruiser or some of the newer Nissans, those will be considered hideous and "out of style" pretty soon.
Hondas/Acuras have always been the "engineer's driving car". They keep the interior simple, ergonomic and unobjectionable with high quality materials. The exterior as well follows this philosophy.
Its the internals that are REALLY flashy. Technology galore! The next time someone disparages a Honda/Acura for being "boring" or bland, I'll pop open the hood and show them how bland and un-boring one REALLY is.
Its all about perception Its like a girlfriend/boyfriend... do you want someone who looks attractive, ages well on the exterior, has an engaging personality, doesn't bite back and has "depth" ? I do. I don't want a girlfriend who has this "look at me!" exterior, lacks polish/refinement in the personality department. She'd just be another shallow looking two dollar whore.
I prefer quality and sometimes quality requires appreciation of the little things that aren't so obvious.
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It's bland because it doesn't stray far from the typical 4 door sedan style. Yes, it has it's styling cues, which I am impressed with, but it still doesn't spark a ray of uniqueness compared to the things Nissan is doing. Hence "bland" means conservative, which is often a Honda trademark, IMO. Most critics want to see something that is fresh and "eye-catching." The TSX does it with a murmur...not a HEY HERE I AM!
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I do own an Acura TSX now, and I do think it is a great car for the money. But hey, Germans still make some of the best car out there. Accord Euro-R talked about some other European brands. I owned a couple of them-- Citroen ZX19, Peugeot 405, 406. I love french cars, and would really like to own an Alfa. I also drive around a Mercedes 280SE, BMW 320i and 525i before. Comparing all of the cars I would say BMW makes such excellent cars. You felt immediately comfortable driving fast in a BMW. Mercedes is really for-my-dad kinda car, but the solid chassis is their strong suit. Acura at best is on par with the above mentioned. They have yet to pass the overall handling dynamics of a RWD German made (or 4WD as in Audi). They did match the Peugeot for the best FWD I have driven. Accord Euro-R is right about Honda's engine. It is a gem in operation, and hassle free too. But until they make it RWD or 4WD, they just can't compensate for the FWD's natural handling dynamic (read - 'understeer')
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A little off topic, but in response to Accord Euro R's comments :
I like F1 and NASCAR. I think the reason why most north americans prefer NASCAR is that its a much better spectator sport - you can sit in the stands and watch the WHOLE race unfold before your eyes. Whereas with F1, if you're in the stands, you only see a fraction of what is happening. However, you can't deny the appeal of technology with F1.
I like F1 and NASCAR. I think the reason why most north americans prefer NASCAR is that its a much better spectator sport - you can sit in the stands and watch the WHOLE race unfold before your eyes. Whereas with F1, if you're in the stands, you only see a fraction of what is happening. However, you can't deny the appeal of technology with F1.
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I'm a big fan of the el Camino. What were we thinking getting rid of that car? Don't understand. Well since they don't make it anymore, i guess i'll keep my stylin' TSX
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Originally posted by swami
I must be in the minority also...The only cars that trip my trigger are Japenese Cars. The Infiniti G35 Coupe and Nissan 350z are probably my two favorites w/ the exception of the TSX. Strangley enough the other car I really like is the Chrysler Crossfire, that fuckers bad lookin.
I must be in the minority also...The only cars that trip my trigger are Japenese Cars. The Infiniti G35 Coupe and Nissan 350z are probably my two favorites w/ the exception of the TSX. Strangley enough the other car I really like is the Chrysler Crossfire, that fuckers bad lookin.
this euro accord kid is in love with acura. it's hilarious. yeah, it's a great cmpany with reliable good cars, but i wouldn't say it's better than bmw or mercedes. better value and gas mileage? yes. but acura doesn't make anything amazing to compare to the M5 or the SL500 (NSX isn't a comparison)
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Re: Crossfire. Considering it is a Mercedes, do you think that Chrysler's JD Power and Associates Reliabvility rating will DECREASE now? It is a hot looking number.
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I've had 9 Hondas. My TSX is my 10th and first Acura.
My reason for getting the TSX? Because I know I can't go wrong if I choose to acquire it.
It may not be the best, it may not be the fastest, but it sure feels good driving it.
My reason for getting the TSX? Because I know I can't go wrong if I choose to acquire it.
It may not be the best, it may not be the fastest, but it sure feels good driving it.
08-06-2003, 01:47 PM
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I actually was lucky to have test driven a Crossfire while at was in Germany during April. The car does look very hot. Handling and power is great on that car. I don't think I've driven anything that fast before. What kind of engine is in this beast? My only complaint was that the inside is a bit cheap. From the outside you would think they'd put more money inside the car aswell.
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I still can't see why critics call the TSX "bland". To me, it's one of the better looking Japanese cars
I still can't see why critics call the TSX "bland". To me, it's one of the better looking Japanese cars
The TSX has that "wedge" look, but it is sleeker and more aggessive looking than the Accord. To me, the TSX is perfect--angular design and very sporty.
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Originally posted by Nuclear
I actually was lucky to have test driven a Crossfire while at was in Germany during April. The car does look very hot. Handling and power is great on that car. I don't think I've driven anything that fast before. What kind of engine is in this beast? My only complaint was that the inside is a bit cheap. From the outside you would think they'd put more money inside the car aswell.
I actually was lucky to have test driven a Crossfire while at was in Germany during April. The car does look very hot. Handling and power is great on that car. I don't think I've driven anything that fast before. What kind of engine is in this beast? My only complaint was that the inside is a bit cheap. From the outside you would think they'd put more money inside the car aswell.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by donutchow
this euro accord kid is in love with acura. it's hilarious.
Thank you for your feedback, donutchow. Yes, you're right, I'm just in love with Acura. I think they make great cars. Besides making such good cars, Acura also makes them more affordable (both in the short and in the long run) than the German competitors.
I just didn't understand why you thought the fact I like Acuras to be so hilarious. Aren't there those who love football? What about those who swear Chevys are just the best cars ever made? And those who are huge fans of some popstar? What's hilarious about that? Well, I just think Acuras have great products that fit within my budget. I don't feel ripped off every time I take my car to the dealership for maintenance. I don't feel like a snobby jerk everytime I drive my '99 TL around town. In fact, I am completely satisfied with my Acura overall. It isn't an eye catcher, either, which makes it an excellent car for me (I hate being the focus of people's attention...)
Thank goodness we all have different opinions about different things and issues. Can you imagine how boring would the world be if everyone else drove the same cars and had the same thoughts and feelings?
this euro accord kid is in love with acura. it's hilarious.
Thank you for your feedback, donutchow. Yes, you're right, I'm just in love with Acura. I think they make great cars. Besides making such good cars, Acura also makes them more affordable (both in the short and in the long run) than the German competitors.
I just didn't understand why you thought the fact I like Acuras to be so hilarious. Aren't there those who love football? What about those who swear Chevys are just the best cars ever made? And those who are huge fans of some popstar? What's hilarious about that? Well, I just think Acuras have great products that fit within my budget. I don't feel ripped off every time I take my car to the dealership for maintenance. I don't feel like a snobby jerk everytime I drive my '99 TL around town. In fact, I am completely satisfied with my Acura overall. It isn't an eye catcher, either, which makes it an excellent car for me (I hate being the focus of people's attention...)
Thank goodness we all have different opinions about different things and issues. Can you imagine how boring would the world be if everyone else drove the same cars and had the same thoughts and feelings?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Accord Euro-R
i wouldn't mind if everyone in the world drove an M5 or a ferrari 360. shit, we should be so lucky 
Originally posted by donutchow
this euro accord kid is in love with acura. it's hilarious.
Thank you for your feedback, donutchow. Yes, you're right, I'm just in love with Acura. I think they make great cars. Besides making such good cars, Acura also makes them more affordable (both in the short and in the long run) than the German competitors.
I just didn't understand why you thought the fact I like Acuras to be so hilarious. Aren't there those who love football? GO EAGLES!!!!!!! What about those who swear Chevys are just the best cars ever made? And those who are huge fans of some popstar? What's hilarious about that? Well, I just think Acuras have great products that fit within my budget. I don't feel ripped off every time I take my car to the dealership for maintenance. I don't feel like a snobby jerk everytime I drive my '99 TL around town. In fact, I am completely satisfied with my Acura overall. It isn't an eye catcher, either, which makes it an excellent car for me (I hate being the focus of people's attention...)
Thank goodness we all have different opinions about different things and issues. Can you imagine how boring would the world be if everyone else drove the same cars and had the same thoughts and feelings?
this euro accord kid is in love with acura. it's hilarious.
Thank you for your feedback, donutchow. Yes, you're right, I'm just in love with Acura. I think they make great cars. Besides making such good cars, Acura also makes them more affordable (both in the short and in the long run) than the German competitors.
I just didn't understand why you thought the fact I like Acuras to be so hilarious. Aren't there those who love football? GO EAGLES!!!!!!! What about those who swear Chevys are just the best cars ever made? And those who are huge fans of some popstar? What's hilarious about that? Well, I just think Acuras have great products that fit within my budget. I don't feel ripped off every time I take my car to the dealership for maintenance. I don't feel like a snobby jerk everytime I drive my '99 TL around town. In fact, I am completely satisfied with my Acura overall. It isn't an eye catcher, either, which makes it an excellent car for me (I hate being the focus of people's attention...)
Thank goodness we all have different opinions about different things and issues. Can you imagine how boring would the world be if everyone else drove the same cars and had the same thoughts and feelings?
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Sure, I wouldn't mind if everyone in the world made $100K + a year to maintain that Ferrari 360. We would be so lucky... Unfortunately, 40 years from now there won't be any more significant oil resources left on earth to power up that gas guzzler V12. Moreover, 60% of the world's population live in sub-human conditions. Isn't it time for us to stop feeding our own ego and start thinking about the world's enviroment and the people who live in it?
In fact, as an economist, I wish the whole country thought just like you. You probably buy the most expensive products just because of their price tags: more expensive means better, right? And you must have it all, right? Man, we need more people like you to make our economy start growing back again...
In fact, as an economist, I wish the whole country thought just like you. You probably buy the most expensive products just because of their price tags: more expensive means better, right? And you must have it all, right? Man, we need more people like you to make our economy start growing back again...
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Originally posted by Accord Euro-R
Sure, I wouldn't mind if everyone in the world made $100K + a year to maintain that Ferrari 360. We would be so lucky... Unfortunately, 40 years from now there won't be any more significant oil resources left on earth to power up that gas guzzler V12. Moreover, 60% of the world's population live in sub-human conditions. Isn't it time for us to stop feeding our own ego and start thinking about the world's enviroment and the people who live in it?
In fact, as an economist, I wish the whole country thought just like you. You probably buy the most expensive products just because of their price tags: more expensive means better, right? And you must have it all, right? Man, we need more people like you to make our economy start growing back again...
Sure, I wouldn't mind if everyone in the world made $100K + a year to maintain that Ferrari 360. We would be so lucky... Unfortunately, 40 years from now there won't be any more significant oil resources left on earth to power up that gas guzzler V12. Moreover, 60% of the world's population live in sub-human conditions. Isn't it time for us to stop feeding our own ego and start thinking about the world's enviroment and the people who live in it?
In fact, as an economist, I wish the whole country thought just like you. You probably buy the most expensive products just because of their price tags: more expensive means better, right? And you must have it all, right? Man, we need more people like you to make our economy start growing back again...
on a different note, you should have bought a 2003 kia rio for $8,000. with the $20,000 you could have saved NOT buying the TSX and donated it to a charity.
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Capitalist society... screw the world... whatever...
Ok, thank you, I guess I'll follow your brilliant brokerage firm intern advice and sell my TL and buy a Kia Rio. Acura, Ferrari, Kia, 4-cyl, 8-cyl, $20K, $200K, same thing, right?
Have a good one, donutchow. Work hard and save some money so you can buy yourself a nice V8 Ferrari 360 one day. Man, that's classy!
Ok, thank you, I guess I'll follow your brilliant brokerage firm intern advice and sell my TL and buy a Kia Rio. Acura, Ferrari, Kia, 4-cyl, 8-cyl, $20K, $200K, same thing, right?
Have a good one, donutchow. Work hard and save some money so you can buy yourself a nice V8 Ferrari 360 one day. Man, that's classy!
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Originally posted by Accord Euro-R
Capitalist society... screw the world... whatever...
Ok, thank you, I guess I'll follow your brilliant brokerage firm intern advice and sell my TL and buy a Kia Rio. Acura, Ferrari, Kia, 4-cyl, 8-cyl, $20K, $200K, same thing, right?
Have a good one, donutchow. Work hard and save some money so you can buy yourself a nice V8 Ferrari 360 one day. Man, that's classy!
Capitalist society... screw the world... whatever...
Ok, thank you, I guess I'll follow your brilliant brokerage firm intern advice and sell my TL and buy a Kia Rio. Acura, Ferrari, Kia, 4-cyl, 8-cyl, $20K, $200K, same thing, right?
Have a good one, donutchow. Work hard and save some money so you can buy yourself a nice V8 Ferrari 360 one day. Man, that's classy!
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Well, buddy, I believe this site is dedicated to those who own, wish to own, or enjoy Acuras. As the slogan says: "the premier TSX owner community". I own an Acura, love the brand, and do intend to buy a TSX. I would like to exchange useful information about the brand, or to hear good things that owners have to say. So if you're here to bother other people, I don't think this is the website for you. Maybe you should move on to the "I WISH I HAD A FANCY CAR.COM" online forum.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude or to hurt your feelings, I'm just tired of smart asses who use this forum to make fun of people.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude or to hurt your feelings, I'm just tired of smart asses who use this forum to make fun of people.
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Originally posted by Accord Euro-R
Well, buddy, I believe this site is dedicated to those who own, wish to own, or enjoy Acuras. As the slogan says: "the premier TSX owner community". I own an Acura, love the brand, and do intend to buy a TSX. I would like to exchange useful information about the brand, or to hear good things that owners have to say. So if you're here to bother other people, I don't think this is the website for you. Maybe you should move on to the "I WISH I HAD A FANCY CAR.COM" online forum.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude or to hurt your feelings, I'm just tired of smart asses who use this forum to make fun of people.
Well, buddy, I believe this site is dedicated to those who own, wish to own, or enjoy Acuras. As the slogan says: "the premier TSX owner community". I own an Acura, love the brand, and do intend to buy a TSX. I would like to exchange useful information about the brand, or to hear good things that owners have to say. So if you're here to bother other people, I don't think this is the website for you. Maybe you should move on to the "I WISH I HAD A FANCY CAR.COM" online forum.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude or to hurt your feelings, I'm just tired of smart asses who use this forum to make fun of people.
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.....on a different note, you should have bought a 2003 kia rio for $8,000. with the $20,000 you could have saved NOT buying the TSX and donated it to a charity.
.....on a different note, you should have bought a 2003 kia rio for $8,000. with the $20,000 you could have saved NOT buying the TSX and donated it to a charity.
But I would offer the outrageous thought that Rio at $8000 costs you more than TSX at $28,000.
(1) If you like to keep cars as long as I do, you probably just couldn't do it with a Kia, despite their 100-year warranty or whatever it is. I'd probably wind up buying 2 or 3 or 4 of them to last as long as my TSX will probably be able to last.
(2) Time lost in (probable) extra visits for service on the Kia. Time is money. And lost opportunities.
(3) Ditto for how much more efficiently (translate: quickly) the TSX will get me where I'm going, because of the better handling. Even compared to my "old" TL-S (that was an '03), my commute every day is a few minutes faster, each way. And -- not totally related, but as I said elsewhere, there was an instance a couple of weeks ago where my TSX allowed me to get out of a traffic squeeze that saved me probably an hour. I would have been pretty screwed otherwise.
(4) You might get a better job and/or more and better business with a TSX. Sorry, but it works that way sometimes.
If you have only $8000 to spend, you have to get the Rio. But if you can afford the TSX and you get it, you won't necessarily be losing money on the bargain.
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I'm planning on buying a TSX 6 speed in the spring. so all of your assumptions are obviously incorrect.
I'm planning on buying a TSX 6 speed in the spring. so all of your assumptions are obviously incorrect.
Yes, the TSX is definitely a sweet ride. I'll admit it ain't no M5, but for the money, it will give you plenty of satisfaction and peace of mind. The British "Car" magazine (June ed.) voted the TSX (or the European Accord) the best European mid-size sedan overall. Also, the Acura brand isn't made to compete with BMW. In my opinion, it would be more like a Saab (which is an excellent thing).
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Originally posted by Accord Euro-R
My apologies, donutchow. I didn't mean to be rude to you. It's cause I've had people calling me names simply because I'm leaned towards the Acura line of vehicles.
Yes, the TSX is definitely a sweet ride. I'll admit it ain't no M5, but for the money, it will give you plenty of satisfaction and peace of mind. The British "Car" magazine (June ed.) voted the TSX (or the European Accord) the best European mid-size sedan overall. Also, the Acura brand isn't made to compete with BMW. In my opinion, it would be more like a Saab (which is an excellent thing).
My apologies, donutchow. I didn't mean to be rude to you. It's cause I've had people calling me names simply because I'm leaned towards the Acura line of vehicles.
Yes, the TSX is definitely a sweet ride. I'll admit it ain't no M5, but for the money, it will give you plenty of satisfaction and peace of mind. The British "Car" magazine (June ed.) voted the TSX (or the European Accord) the best European mid-size sedan overall. Also, the Acura brand isn't made to compete with BMW. In my opinion, it would be more like a Saab (which is an excellent thing).
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my sister is leasing a 2003 9-3. i'd much rather have the tsx, and it's 6k cheaper.
my sister is leasing a 2003 9-3. i'd much rather have the tsx, and it's 6k cheaper.
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...this is a topic that I've been meaning to bring up for a while, now that someone else has done it I will chime in with my point of view on German cars as status symbols. I will get screamed at and reamed out, flamed, dissed, and everything else that can happen to someone on the net, but I believe that German cars are way over hyped, their engineering is not any better than any leading company today, they are average at best...true, they beat out most stuff by the "big 3", but if you look at the stats, you'll see that none of them are even up to average in reliability.
...this may come as a shock to some of you, but I couldn't really care enough about how much status my car has...I don't buy cars so I can watch the reaction of everyone when I drive by...I buy a car that does the best overall job of driving well, getting decent fuel economy, being comfortable, not costing several arms and legs, and one that doesn't spend a lot of time needing repairs, if it also turns out to be an excellent handling car that looks good to boot, than that's a definite bonus. So far in my driving experience the Japanese cars I've owned have been the only ones that have met any of those combined criteria. I've owned Toyotas, Nissans, Mitsubishis, and Hondas, driven Subarus, Mazdas, and Suzukis, I've also owned a variety of European cars, along with German ones. The Japanese cars have all proven their worth, while every one of my European cars required a lot of work, fortunately I had a friend who was a mechanic at the time and I didn't mind turning a wrench either.
...bottom line is this, a lot of very successful marketing hype has gone into building up an image of engineering superiorty in German cars, and the prestige that comes from the "privelage of owning one", its a lot of bunk...anyone who swallows that also believes McDonalds make good food!!
...Acuras are Acuras, they're NOT BMW's, so why all the fuss and bother trying to make like they're bimmer wannabe's, true, Honda is trying to attract some of the business that might end up in a BMW or Audi showroom, but not by being another BMW or Audi, but by being an Acura...and that is truly good, or should I say excellent, enough for me!!
...thats my take on the issue...
Lorne Miller
...this may come as a shock to some of you, but I couldn't really care enough about how much status my car has...I don't buy cars so I can watch the reaction of everyone when I drive by...I buy a car that does the best overall job of driving well, getting decent fuel economy, being comfortable, not costing several arms and legs, and one that doesn't spend a lot of time needing repairs, if it also turns out to be an excellent handling car that looks good to boot, than that's a definite bonus. So far in my driving experience the Japanese cars I've owned have been the only ones that have met any of those combined criteria. I've owned Toyotas, Nissans, Mitsubishis, and Hondas, driven Subarus, Mazdas, and Suzukis, I've also owned a variety of European cars, along with German ones. The Japanese cars have all proven their worth, while every one of my European cars required a lot of work, fortunately I had a friend who was a mechanic at the time and I didn't mind turning a wrench either.
...bottom line is this, a lot of very successful marketing hype has gone into building up an image of engineering superiorty in German cars, and the prestige that comes from the "privelage of owning one", its a lot of bunk...anyone who swallows that also believes McDonalds make good food!!
...Acuras are Acuras, they're NOT BMW's, so why all the fuss and bother trying to make like they're bimmer wannabe's, true, Honda is trying to attract some of the business that might end up in a BMW or Audi showroom, but not by being another BMW or Audi, but by being an Acura...and that is truly good, or should I say excellent, enough for me!!
...thats my take on the issue...
Lorne Miller