LuvMyTSX

^^ Haha, let's hope! That one above is dang ugly!

ChrismanTSX

Holy shit Batman! that rear overhang is as big as the one on the original Batmobile!

wackura

The tail end of the new concept is much smaller. We'll probably never see it in person anyway.

An article says that sedan and wagon production versions of the Euro Accord will be revealed at the 2008 Geneva Motor Show, which I think is in March. I hope the sedan has a little more in common with the Sports 4 concept. That glass roof with the dome-like shape seemed to good to be true.

Now I'm curious what the next TL will look like.

Ellas9

It looks pretty good - I think with a 190hp Accord and the usual 40hp premium the TSX gets it on the L4 Accord we should expect 225-235hp. If they jump to a 2.5L or keep the 2.4L; I expect the torque to be no more than 175lb/ft. It makes economical sense for them to use the 2.3T but not much sense from an efficiency standpoint to the consumer. Hopefully they update the 3.0L V6 and use it in the new TSX - I'm not so sure the V6 will weight that much more. My money is on the same old K type engine with about 230hp and 175tq. Not up to par with the higher torque in all of the competitor cars.

Mokos23

That's still quite a few months away. So when will the next gen TSX be released? Fall 2008 along with the new TL?

wackura

Yes, fall 2008. The vividness of the concept suggests they're on track, as opposed to the NSX replacement which has changed around a lot.

dom

Fall? I thought it was spring like the 04.

LuvMyTSX

Yeah!!

Lol....who knows.

wackura

I didn't realize they released new models in the spring. It seems funny that they call a car the '09 model if it's released when '08 isn't even half-way elapsed.

NJSGTI

I got my 04 TSX in early June of 2003 and it had been released for a few weeks already.

GeorgeTSX

I bought my 2004 on April 28, 2003. I believe that started shipping in April 2003 as well.

ryanhook

I see a lot of the current TSX/Euro Accord in that concept with a bit of evolutionary change. I think it's a very good indication of what you'll see on the next TSX.

The sedan will be revealed at the Geneva show coming in the new year and that will show more of what we're bound to get in 09.

I have one complaint about the concept and a lot of Honda's other designs over the past few years: the front and rear overhangs -- especially the front. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it, but I can't see any reason for it. I look back at my 93 Civic coupe & 91 Accord and wonder why the newer cars don't have the wheels pushed out further to the front and rear. It would make them look so much nicer!

Mokos23

yeah i agree, but the one thing is that the bodystyle change isn't as dramatic as like the US Accord. the new 8th gen US Accord looks nothing like the 7th gen and the 7th gen doesn't look anything like the 6th gen, etc.

CarbonGray Earl

Alot that front overhang might have to do with pedestrian impact standards coming into effect in Europe, and in the US as well. There has to be more room between the hood and the engine for a collapsable zone that will be less dangerous to pedestrians. In FWD cars, where the engine tends to be further forward, this collapsable zone has the effect of pushing the hood up and the frontend foward, thus creating the overhang.

The rear overhang is getting to be pretty big though, I don't quite have an explanation.

One thing is for sure....god help those people that slam this car and put a body kit on it.

wackura

I agree about the overhang being a little nuts, compare the concept with the mother of distended forward wheel wells:







On the bright side the current TSX's overhang looks similar to the concept so I think once we see it in person you won't even notice it. I think I'm realy going to like the production version when it comes out. I think it will look tighter and smoother than the concept. which sort of looks formed from playdough as is.

wackura

If you're figuring pedestrians into crumple zones then I have some sad news for you: the pedestrian died.

The old Tourer wass far worse, the concept is a radical improvent:


Isn't she beautiful.

LuvMyTSX

Purdy as a hurse!

Mokos23

i saw that Accord wagon when I was in Amsterdam a few months ago in Arctic blue, I had to look away because it almost made me puke. glad they never sold that in the USA.

the current Accord wagon just looks unporportional and odd looking compared to the sedan. but, i have no problem with the volvo cross country wagons

tsxdriver

cause they're pulling the RDX off the market. it doesn't pass government safety ratings so Acura is scrapping it.

LuvMyTSX

Um, what? Got anything to back that up?

Mokos23

Jax, i tried to PM you, but you've exceeded your storage, so I can't contact you

wackura

April is a few months away still.

LuvMyTSX

I deleted some

vidgamer

The Magnum is exactly what I thought in seeing those pics. Ugh, I don't know, the Magnum looks nice enough, I guess (although, it reminds me of a hearse when in black).

I guess I didn't mind that the TL and TSX looked similar -- I like both styles. Not sure if I want the TSX to match the MDX or RDX...

tsxdriver

i read it somewhere just recently. i'll go see if i can find it

wackura

It doesn't matter much that it looks like a Dodge Magnum because the wagon version probably won't be sold here. It's everyone else's problem. I wish it was sold here but Honda is depriving us of station wagons for some sick reason.

ryanhook

That seems to go against this NHTSA 2007 MY Crash & Rollover Safety Ratings from earlier this year:

Also, the IIHS chose the RDX in its 2007 Top Safety Pick Award Winners (http://www.iihs.org/news/2006/iihs_news_112106.pdf)

Has something changed all of a sudden to remove it from those lists?

wackura

It was so blatantly dreamed up, I can't believe you actualy took the time to discredit it.

SoCaliTrojan

I think one reason is because the wheelbase determines the turning characteristics (such as turning radius). I don't think the average driver would be willing to take wide turns like a bus just so they look good going straight.

I suppose they could reduce the length of the car to reduce the overhang....but then you'd have a smaller car with less trunk space (not to mention that the engine would be cramped and wouldn't be able to crumple down well enough to prevent itself from getting shoved into the cabin).

I tried doing a few searches for this. The only rumors I could hear are the ones trying to predict what changes will happen for the next RDX. Unless you have insider information that has yet to be released...

SoCaliTrojan

If it's not in red, then he's not being sarcastic ;-)

Also, we can't have misinformation lying around our forums. And since other users are asking for supporting evidence and he's not posting it here, someone needs to go do research and answer the questions. Maybe he just wants to PM people to say that he was just kidding =P

wackura

It's the person making the claim's job to support their obviously rediculous statement. When humans uncover this thread in the distant eons they'll apreciate the lack of supporting evidence rather than the lack of contradicting evidence I'm sure.

wackura

There are BMWs with the forward wheel well making love to the front bumber. If BMW can do I'd think Honda could also.

1Louder

Using my imagination on what that would look like with a trunk, I don't think it would be that bad looking - probably will look just fine. However, it's not any kind of radical improvement over the current design - I doubt they'll lure many existing TSX owners away into that one. To me it does not look better, just different.

loulinjai

My opinions for the next TSX:

1.) I'm 99% sure we won't see a 6 cylinder, even as an option.
2.) I don't think Honda will develop a K series motor larger in displacement than the K24 (2354cc)
3.) Turbo or not is a question.
4.) If there is no Turbo, 230-240hp with approx 180-190ft lb is within reach, but extensive tuning and revisions is needed.
5.) SH-AWD is possible, but highly not likely in my opinion. it's even more not likely if there is no turbo, OTOH, the TL is more likely to receive SH-AWD
6.) Possible Couple around a year after the sedan launch?
7.) Wagon version highly not likely, Acura's image do not contain wagons, leave that for Honda (mostly in Europe anyways).

Power1Pete

ninjamyst

I think Acura will equip SH-AWD on all the cars in its next generation line up to compete with other luxury brands. It should be at least be optional on the TSX. With a new model, Acura has to step up and give the TSX something new to attract attention. The RDX turbo and SH-AWD can definitely do the job!

mrgold35

What Acura might do in the next 2-5 years:

- Add sh-awd to all acura vehicles
- TSX will have 2.4L I-4 and 2.3T as engine options, we might see the turbo diesel if they make a 6AT
- TL will have 3.5L and sells will drop until they make the 3.7 standard because of the Accord 3.5L
- RDX will keep the 2.3T and sells will remain the same, flat
- RL will get the 3.7L at first and a V-8 option a few years later (4.2L - 4.6L)
- MDX will keep the 3.7L and upgrade power in a few years to 310-320hp, MDX will get the same V-8 as the RL (I'm wishing for a V-8 MDX by 2010)

Wild Card: Honda/Acura develops the V-8, you could see another Acura SUV based on the Ridgeline.

dom

Does BMW worry about 535/528 sales? Does Nissan worry about G35/M35 sales? Does Lexus worry about ES350/IS sales? and so on. Every manufacture puts a variant of the same engine in a "lesser" car but only in the Honda camp are their worries about cannibalizing sales.

No other manufacture worries about putting a equal or lesser engine in their "lower" branded car so why should Honda? If the TL/TSX is good enough and does enough to separate itself the engine shouldn't matter.

amadeus303

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Dom --- I completely agree w/ your logic. However, I would give the other side's argument some consideration. I think general consumers are heavily swayed by marketing... and of all the other comparisons you cited are "lesser" vehicles within the same luxury brand's lineup. In this case, you have Acura and Honda. While the vast majority of us here know that it's the same company (before Acura branched off in the US at least), I truly believe the general perception out there is that Honda is the "everyman" brand, while Acura is a "step up". The fact that we have people on our forums trying to reason why Acura is "better" than Honda tells me that general consumers may not easily accept the same variant in the TL if it's in the Accord.

I can only speak for personal experience, but I'll use it as an example. I know 3 people that decided to buy a Honda Pilot instead of the Acura MDX (before the redesign) because there wasn't enough differentiation between the two. I can only speculate on the potential cannibalization between the Accord and the new TSX/TL, but I've personally seen it happen...

With that said, my wife and I happened to be in the "minority", and went with the MDX when cross-shopping the SUVs. For what it's worth, I optioned out a new Accord Coupe (would've done the sedan if it came in 6MT), and at MSRP, it was already ~$35k! I'll be interested to see the pricing on these new Acuras...

mrgold35

There is a clear separation between brands by price and demographics for:

BMW 3 series –vs- BMW 5 series
Nissan Altima/Maxima –vs- G35/M35
Toyota Camry/Avalon –vs- IS 250/350 and ES350

The separation is not as clear comparing the TSX –vs- TL –vs- v6 Accord brands other that $3,000-$5,000 in price and starting in 09. The value and perceived luxury of the Acura brand is very subjective to many folks. The TSX is a great value to us but it cannot compete with the v-6 Accord on stats sheet. Now you will start seeing all kinds of comparisons of the all new v-6 Accord –vs- the old TL or I would of purchased a TL but I got a Accord coupe instead.

Acura needs more engine choices with more power options to stay in the running. I would pay for a v-8 MDX or 2.3T TSX with +270hp.