2008 TSX gets 32 more horses?
11-04-2006, 09:19 AM
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2008 TSX gets 32 more horses?
According to this news article, the 2008 TSX will get the S2000's engine, which is about 237hp. However the S2000 is a 2.2 liter.
I don't know if this makes sense or not. Not sure if anyone else has posted this yet. Just an interesting article...
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=107644
I don't know if this makes sense or not. Not sure if anyone else has posted this yet. Just an interesting article...
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=107644
11-04-2006, 10:25 AM
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it says "perhaps a version of the 237-horsepower unit that powers the S2000 roadster", which means edmunds is guessing. That would mean that the TSX will be RWD, since the F22C engine is made for RWD only. From other honda news, it seems like honda has no plans of going away from front wheel drive or all wheel drive, which use transversly mounted engines, not longitudinally mounted like the S2000, which is the only model honda has made since the early 70's that does not have a transversly mounted engine. The sport4 concept has been out for well over a year, so all of this stuff is just speculation. Count on honda to leave the cool stuff in japan and give us the left overs.
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11-04-2006, 01:20 PM
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A car can always use more torque but I think it needs a better tranmission more than a turbo or SH-AWD. Better ratios for the 6MT and an extra gear or 2 in the AT tranny.
11-04-2006, 03:23 PM
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F22C in a TSX? No thanks... Sure it has more horsepower...
But the torque is not suitable for a 3300lb sedan.
The K24A2 has a more advanced impliementation of VTEC anyways, if only if the cylinders were fiber reinforced.
Don't get me wrong the F22 and F20 are engineering marvels.
But the torque is not suitable for a 3300lb sedan.
The K24A2 has a more advanced impliementation of VTEC anyways, if only if the cylinders were fiber reinforced.
Don't get me wrong the F22 and F20 are engineering marvels.
11-04-2006, 05:15 PM
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F20/F22?? ain't gonna happen.
Btw, did anyone read honda's implementation on DSG for the Type R
http://www.bangkokpost.net/271006_Mo...6_motor001.php
Btw, did anyone read honda's implementation on DSG for the Type R
http://www.bangkokpost.net/271006_Mo...6_motor001.php
Sources close to Honda's R&D unit in Japan told Motoring that DSG is confirmed for the all-new Type-R that will be unveiled in Japan before mid-2007
11-05-2006, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by drkangel348
F22C in a TSX? No thanks... Sure it has more horsepower...
But the torque is not suitable for a 3300lb sedan.
The K24A2 has a more advanced impliementation of VTEC anyways, if only if the cylinders were fiber reinforced.
Don't get me wrong the F22 and F20 are engineering marvels.
But the torque is not suitable for a 3300lb sedan.
The K24A2 has a more advanced impliementation of VTEC anyways, if only if the cylinders were fiber reinforced.
Don't get me wrong the F22 and F20 are engineering marvels.
man FRM sleeves SUCK!!! I have owned every vehicle that has had an engine with FRM cylinders (S2000, Prelude, NSX) and i can tell you from experience that the drawbacks far outweigh the benefits. You cant bore/hone the cylinder, or boost it over about 7psi without sleeving it. They wear out much quicker when used in racing applications. FRM sleeves were originally created for formula 1 use, in which the engine is only used for one race. So what if the cylinder walls are glazed over after one race? Team honda surely can afford a new block. In street cars, the engines need to be able to go 100's of thousands of miles, and with the FRM sleeves, the cylinder walls are thin and soft under the thin layer of chromoly that lines the cylinder. I will NEVER own another vehicle with FRM sleeves. Period. Sleeving a F20C is pretty expensive. Luckily I sold the NSX, because sleeving a C32 would have probably made me go broke.
That's an old article and is just pure speculation. Edmunds took a shot in the dark hoping they'd guess right.
11-07-2006, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jdmhondaswap
man FRM sleeves SUCK!!! I have owned every vehicle that has had an engine with FRM cylinders (S2000, Prelude, NSX) and i can tell you from experience that the drawbacks far outweigh the benefits. You cant bore/hone the cylinder, or boost it over about 7psi without sleeving it. They wear out much quicker when used in racing applications. FRM sleeves were originally created for formula 1 use, in which the engine is only used for one race. So what if the cylinder walls are glazed over after one race? Team honda surely can afford a new block. In street cars, the engines need to be able to go 100's of thousands of miles, and with the FRM sleeves, the cylinder walls are thin and soft under the thin layer of chromoly that lines the cylinder. I will NEVER own another vehicle with FRM sleeves. Period. Sleeving a F20C is pretty expensive. Luckily I sold the NSX, because sleeving a C32 would have probably made me go broke.
Ahh ok that completely changes my perspective of FRM sleeves. Thanks.
11-07-2006, 02:28 PM
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Not as cool as the flux capacitor that's coming out in 09 from Mugen. Oh and if anyone ever puts gullwing doors on their TSX I'm demanding a video and a nomination for most painfully involved distasteful mod ever on a tsx. The only thing worse I think would be getting a saw and turning the tsx in a convertible.
I need to go find my bat with the nail on the end.
I need to go find my bat with the nail on the end.
11-07-2006, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rex.
i like my 1st gen tsx.. not sure if i will like the 2nd gen.. but if it was possible to have that sh-awd and swap it, along with the turbo.. 
The 1st gen is great. The 06 and 07 especially
11-07-2006, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Brandon24pdx
I heard it was getting twin turbos and gullwing doors
11-08-2006, 02:11 AM
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Allow me to make a prediction....simply because I've been good at making intuitive guesses in the past. I honestly believe that Acura is targeting the VW GLI as their "victim" in both performance and luxury and they are targeting the higher end BMW 330i series as their "competition".
1. The new engine will be a variation of the 2.3L Turbo found in the RDX. (making ~250hp and 260tq)
2. It will be SH-AWD
3. It will weigh ~3400lbs in manual form
4. It will roll through the slalom at 67mph
5. It will handle the skidpad at .88g+ thanks to the SH-AWD and an option performance package.
6. The interior will be a cross between the new RDX's technology package trim and the current TSX's minimalistic luxury trim.
7. It will advertise 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds but the reviewers will push it to 60mph in less than 6 seconds and do the quarter mile in less than 15 seconds by exploiting the AWD.
8. It will msrp for ~35,000 dollars (to intentionally be more affordable than a 330i but more expensive than a GLI which it no longer competes with)
10. Acura will establish the new TSX as their flagship car to mark the transition away from affordable luxury. For this very reason, Acura will not skip a beat with this car and don't expect too many flaws. This is all in an effort to successfully introduce the SH-AWD Acura TL to their lineup. Acura knows that the future of the TL rests in the hands of the TSX's success.
1. The new engine will be a variation of the 2.3L Turbo found in the RDX. (making ~250hp and 260tq)
2. It will be SH-AWD
3. It will weigh ~3400lbs in manual form
4. It will roll through the slalom at 67mph
5. It will handle the skidpad at .88g+ thanks to the SH-AWD and an option performance package.
6. The interior will be a cross between the new RDX's technology package trim and the current TSX's minimalistic luxury trim.
7. It will advertise 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds but the reviewers will push it to 60mph in less than 6 seconds and do the quarter mile in less than 15 seconds by exploiting the AWD.
8. It will msrp for ~35,000 dollars (to intentionally be more affordable than a 330i but more expensive than a GLI which it no longer competes with)
10. Acura will establish the new TSX as their flagship car to mark the transition away from affordable luxury. For this very reason, Acura will not skip a beat with this car and don't expect too many flaws. This is all in an effort to successfully introduce the SH-AWD Acura TL to their lineup. Acura knows that the future of the TL rests in the hands of the TSX's success.
11-08-2006, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Roffles
Allow me to make a prediction....simply because I've been good at making intuitive guesses in the past. I honestly believe that Acura is targeting the VW GLI as their "victim" in both performance and luxury and they are targeting the higher end BMW 330i series as their "competition".
1. The new engine will be a variation of the 2.3L Turbo found in the RDX. (making ~250hp and 260tq)
2. It will be SH-AWD
3. It will weigh ~3400lbs in manual form
4. It will roll through the slalom at 67mph
5. It will handle the skidpad at .88g+ thanks to the SH-AWD and an option performance package.
6. The interior will be a cross between the new RDX's technology package trim and the current TSX's minimalistic luxury trim.
7. It will advertise 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds but the reviewers will push it to 60mph in less than 6 seconds and do the quarter mile in less than 15 seconds by exploiting the AWD.
8. It will msrp for ~35,000 dollars (to intentionally be more affordable than a 330i but more expensive than a GLI which it no longer competes with)
10. Acura will establish the new TSX as their flagship car to mark the transition away from affordable luxury. For this very reason, Acura will not skip a beat with this car and don't expect too many flaws. This is all in an effort to successfully introduce the SH-AWD Acura TL to their lineup. Acura knows that the future of the TL rests in the hands of the TSX's success.
1. The new engine will be a variation of the 2.3L Turbo found in the RDX. (making ~250hp and 260tq)
2. It will be SH-AWD
3. It will weigh ~3400lbs in manual form
4. It will roll through the slalom at 67mph
5. It will handle the skidpad at .88g+ thanks to the SH-AWD and an option performance package.
6. The interior will be a cross between the new RDX's technology package trim and the current TSX's minimalistic luxury trim.
7. It will advertise 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds but the reviewers will push it to 60mph in less than 6 seconds and do the quarter mile in less than 15 seconds by exploiting the AWD.
8. It will msrp for ~35,000 dollars (to intentionally be more affordable than a 330i but more expensive than a GLI which it no longer competes with)
10. Acura will establish the new TSX as their flagship car to mark the transition away from affordable luxury. For this very reason, Acura will not skip a beat with this car and don't expect too many flaws. This is all in an effort to successfully introduce the SH-AWD Acura TL to their lineup. Acura knows that the future of the TL rests in the hands of the TSX's success.
My prediction...
The next gen TSX will NOT get a Turbo motor. Instead Acura will as usual play it safe/conservative/broing and insert an all new 2.4L with next gen i-vtec (which was announced a few weeks ago BTW) making 220-230HP and remain FWD. This keeps the car just below or right at 30K where its been proven to be successful.
11-08-2006, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
How much do you predict the TL will cost then Roffles?
Oh and about a 6-cyl in the TSX. It could happen. Assuming it will be anything close to the concept pictures, it's no bigger than the current TSX and they are going to have to shoehorn a 6-cyl in there. If they did, they would probably use a variation of the J30 making power similar to the J30A5. This engine belongs to the Accord and it's their smallest 6cyl in production. I don't think it makes enough torque to exploit the SH-AWD. The direct injection turbo's produce gobs of torque..this would be great for showing off what an AWD system can do in a smaller compact luxury car.
11-08-2006, 11:12 AM
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DUDE! Really!? Thats soooo flippin awsome. Where did you hear that? LOL. . .. Maybe next time to look "really cool" you could be a lil more subtle to have more dickhead apeal? "High Five!"
11-08-2006, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Roffles
Allow me to make a prediction....simply because I've been good at making intuitive guesses in the past. I honestly believe that Acura is targeting the VW GLI as their "victim" in both performance and luxury and they are targeting the higher end BMW 330i series as their "competition".
1. The new engine will be a variation of the 2.3L Turbo found in the RDX. (making ~250hp and 260tq)
2. It will be SH-AWD
3. It will weigh ~3400lbs in manual form
4. It will roll through the slalom at 67mph
5. It will handle the skidpad at .88g+ thanks to the SH-AWD and an option performance package.
6. The interior will be a cross between the new RDX's technology package trim and the current TSX's minimalistic luxury trim.
7. It will advertise 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds but the reviewers will push it to 60mph in less than 6 seconds and do the quarter mile in less than 15 seconds by exploiting the AWD.
8. It will msrp for ~35,000 dollars (to intentionally be more affordable than a 330i but more expensive than a GLI which it no longer competes with)
10. Acura will establish the new TSX as their flagship car to mark the transition away from affordable luxury. For this very reason, Acura will not skip a beat with this car and don't expect too many flaws. This is all in an effort to successfully introduce the SH-AWD Acura TL to their lineup. Acura knows that the future of the TL rests in the hands of the TSX's success.
1. The new engine will be a variation of the 2.3L Turbo found in the RDX. (making ~250hp and 260tq)
2. It will be SH-AWD
3. It will weigh ~3400lbs in manual form
4. It will roll through the slalom at 67mph
5. It will handle the skidpad at .88g+ thanks to the SH-AWD and an option performance package.
6. The interior will be a cross between the new RDX's technology package trim and the current TSX's minimalistic luxury trim.
7. It will advertise 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds but the reviewers will push it to 60mph in less than 6 seconds and do the quarter mile in less than 15 seconds by exploiting the AWD.
8. It will msrp for ~35,000 dollars (to intentionally be more affordable than a 330i but more expensive than a GLI which it no longer competes with)
10. Acura will establish the new TSX as their flagship car to mark the transition away from affordable luxury. For this very reason, Acura will not skip a beat with this car and don't expect too many flaws. This is all in an effort to successfully introduce the SH-AWD Acura TL to their lineup. Acura knows that the future of the TL rests in the hands of the TSX's success.
Can I borrow some of your mescaline?
11-09-2006, 04:23 PM
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While engine choice has apparently not been made, Honda seems to be leaning away from the RDX turbo. (See VTEC.net) I dont much care what they put in, as long as it has some decent HP/ pull. It seems a certainty that ALL new Acuras will have SH-AWD.
As for pricing, there is no way (IMHO) that it will for $35K. Thats more than the current TL. The TSX seems like an entry level car to get people into an Acura instead of an Audi, BMW, etc. At 35K they lose this market.
Anyway, if someone can email me, I located some "newer" photos of the TSX/ sports4 which i dont believe were posted here.
As for pricing, there is no way (IMHO) that it will for $35K. Thats more than the current TL. The TSX seems like an entry level car to get people into an Acura instead of an Audi, BMW, etc. At 35K they lose this market.
Anyway, if someone can email me, I located some "newer" photos of the TSX/ sports4 which i dont believe were posted here.
11-13-2006, 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Brandon24pdx
I can see you only have 5 posts so its obvious you dont understand
neway, i completly agree with "dom's" prediction of the 08'. The 07' has no changes. . . so I don't believe acura will go "balls out" on the 08' by adding. . v-6, sh-awd, or turbo. . . more than likely make subtle changes to add 20hp or so.
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