Brake torquing
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Brake torquing
Have any of you hardcore types actually done this? ![Ninja](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/ninja.gif)
FYI Brake Torquing is where you step on the brakes and then ride the gas until the engine gets up to the stall speed on the torque convertor. Supposedly gives automatics a better launch.
From reading posts in the 2nd and 3rd gen TL, brake torquing doesn't do anything because the ECU retards the timing. This seems to be true in most large family cars (Camry, Avalon, etc).
Does the first gen TL do this too? Has anybody noticed improvements in accel?
I'm just curious. I don't intend on finding out myself.
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FYI Brake Torquing is where you step on the brakes and then ride the gas until the engine gets up to the stall speed on the torque convertor. Supposedly gives automatics a better launch.
From reading posts in the 2nd and 3rd gen TL, brake torquing doesn't do anything because the ECU retards the timing. This seems to be true in most large family cars (Camry, Avalon, etc).
Does the first gen TL do this too? Has anybody noticed improvements in accel?
I'm just curious. I don't intend on finding out myself.
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Originally Posted by longeye23s
what i have done is but it on nutral hit the gas and drop down to drive, ill do a burn out then launch, but i try not to much..
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Originally Posted by ljmushock
You may try setting your e-brake-holding the rpm's, and then launching, that would probably put less stress on the front drive components (CV shafts and such).
You shouldn't be doing it at all in our cars IMHO but i've done it... thats probably why all my wheel bearings have been replaced at least once each... and my brakes redone a lot of times at Midas (free warrenty thing) still...
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Originally Posted by wackjum
From reading posts in the 2nd and 3rd gen TL
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hi folks.
I certainly aint even going to try this.
Especially someone mention putting the gear in neutral, step on tha gas, and then put it on drive. This is too risky for the transmission and othr parts.
What I do to take off quickly without possible damages is this,
on a red light, put the gear on D3.
When green, accelerate until you're almost to the redline, then take your foot off the gas and quickly switch the gear to D4 and then accelerate.
The idea is that when you put the gear into D3, you're starting out at gear number 3. You will be able to get alittle ahead. On the other hand, your opponent (if racing) when they accelerate, they go through gear 1 then 2 then 3,ect.. I dont know if other car companies allow us to skip gears like a Honda/Acura. This technique is useful when going against cars with more HP. Well, it will atleast put you close to the other cars but not so far away.
I certainly aint even going to try this.
Especially someone mention putting the gear in neutral, step on tha gas, and then put it on drive. This is too risky for the transmission and othr parts.
What I do to take off quickly without possible damages is this,
on a red light, put the gear on D3.
When green, accelerate until you're almost to the redline, then take your foot off the gas and quickly switch the gear to D4 and then accelerate.
The idea is that when you put the gear into D3, you're starting out at gear number 3. You will be able to get alittle ahead. On the other hand, your opponent (if racing) when they accelerate, they go through gear 1 then 2 then 3,ect.. I dont know if other car companies allow us to skip gears like a Honda/Acura. This technique is useful when going against cars with more HP. Well, it will atleast put you close to the other cars but not so far away.
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Originally Posted by Ysidro
hi folks.
I certainly aint even going to try this.
Especially someone mention putting the gear in neutral, step on tha gas, and then put it on drive. This is too risky for the transmission and othr parts.
What I do to take off quickly without possible damages is this,
on a red light, put the gear on D3.
When green, accelerate until you're almost to the redline, then take your foot off the gas and quickly switch the gear to D4 and then accelerate.
The idea is that when you put the gear into D3, you're starting out at gear number 3. You will be able to get alittle ahead. On the other hand, your opponent (if racing) when they accelerate, they go through gear 1 then 2 then 3,ect.. I dont know if other car companies allow us to skip gears like a Honda/Acura. This technique is useful when going against cars with more HP. Well, it will atleast put you close to the other cars but not so far away.
I certainly aint even going to try this.
Especially someone mention putting the gear in neutral, step on tha gas, and then put it on drive. This is too risky for the transmission and othr parts.
What I do to take off quickly without possible damages is this,
on a red light, put the gear on D3.
When green, accelerate until you're almost to the redline, then take your foot off the gas and quickly switch the gear to D4 and then accelerate.
The idea is that when you put the gear into D3, you're starting out at gear number 3. You will be able to get alittle ahead. On the other hand, your opponent (if racing) when they accelerate, they go through gear 1 then 2 then 3,ect.. I dont know if other car companies allow us to skip gears like a Honda/Acura. This technique is useful when going against cars with more HP. Well, it will atleast put you close to the other cars but not so far away.
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Power Braking isn't really bad for a car. It will cause wear and tear quicker on some parts but it's nothing dangerous. The RPM's will only go to like 3,000. It does give a quicker launch though not much of one.
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Originally Posted by Ysidro
hi folks.
I certainly aint even going to try this.
Especially someone mention putting the gear in neutral, step on tha gas, and then put it on drive. This is too risky for the transmission and othr parts.
What I do to take off quickly without possible damages is this,
on a red light, put the gear on D3.
When green, accelerate until you're almost to the redline, then take your foot off the gas and quickly switch the gear to D4 and then accelerate.
The idea is that when you put the gear into D3, you're starting out at gear number 3. You will be able to get alittle ahead. On the other hand, your opponent (if racing) when they accelerate, they go through gear 1 then 2 then 3,ect.. I dont know if other car companies allow us to skip gears like a Honda/Acura. This technique is useful when going against cars with more HP. Well, it will atleast put you close to the other cars but not so far away.
I certainly aint even going to try this.
Especially someone mention putting the gear in neutral, step on tha gas, and then put it on drive. This is too risky for the transmission and othr parts.
What I do to take off quickly without possible damages is this,
on a red light, put the gear on D3.
When green, accelerate until you're almost to the redline, then take your foot off the gas and quickly switch the gear to D4 and then accelerate.
The idea is that when you put the gear into D3, you're starting out at gear number 3. You will be able to get alittle ahead. On the other hand, your opponent (if racing) when they accelerate, they go through gear 1 then 2 then 3,ect.. I dont know if other car companies allow us to skip gears like a Honda/Acura. This technique is useful when going against cars with more HP. Well, it will atleast put you close to the other cars but not so far away.
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Originally Posted by mblackmarr
What is "Stall Speed" ![n00b](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/n00b.gif)
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On Supras and other automatic turbo cars, brake torquing is often done to get some exhaust flowing to the turbines prior to launch. In these cases, a common mod is a "high stall torque convertor" which stalls at a higher RPM.
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Originally Posted by ljmushock
If done frequently, thats a good way to mess up your transmission. Power braking (what wackjum is talking about) is a pretty safe way to get a better launch. I'm sure it puts a lot of stress on axles/bearings/brakes, but nothing too bad, and im pretty sure it does give a better launch if you do it right. You may try setting your e-brake-holding the rpm's, and then launching, that would probably put less stress on the front drive components (CV shafts and such).
In my '03 TL-S, I get a faster launch with a slight amount of wheelspin without power braking, and with power braking, a slower launch but with no wheelspin. Better 1/4-mile times are achieved without power braking.
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Brake torquing does NOT work in any Honda automatic transmission equipped car.
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Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
In my '03 TL-S, I get a faster launch with a slight amount of wheelspin without power braking, and with power braking, a slower launch but with no wheelspin. Better 1/4-mile times are achieved without power braking.
Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Brake torquing does NOT work in any Honda automatic transmission equipped car.
I was almost neck to neck with a Sentra SE-R the other day. He had a great launch, having dropped his clutch from 3.5k or so. Everytime he had to shift, I gained on him. We were almost neck to neck but we were going about 95 so I brought it down.
My girlfriend, who was in the car at the time, said I should brake torque, but I told her it wasn't going to do anything. Later when I lost, she brought it up again. She hasn't let it die since.
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Originally Posted by wackjum
Thanks guys. This is what I was looking for. I had a feeling brake torquing wasn't going to do anything.
I was almost neck to neck with a Sentra SE-R the other day. He had a great launch, having dropped his clutch from 3.5k or so. Everytime he had to shift, I gained on him. We were almost neck to neck but we were going about 95 so I brought it down.
My girlfriend, who was in the car at the time, said I should brake torque, but I told her it wasn't going to do anything. Later when I lost, she brought it up again. She hasn't let it die since.![Roll Eyes](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
I was almost neck to neck with a Sentra SE-R the other day. He had a great launch, having dropped his clutch from 3.5k or so. Everytime he had to shift, I gained on him. We were almost neck to neck but we were going about 95 so I brought it down.
My girlfriend, who was in the car at the time, said I should brake torque, but I told her it wasn't going to do anything. Later when I lost, she brought it up again. She hasn't let it die since.
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My girlfriend would be like wtf are you talking about?
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My girlfriend is pretty cool. She used to drive an old Porsche 911 but that thing eventually became too costly to maintain.
She put a short ram on her car. Actually, she just bought it and told me to install it... So she's not THAT cool.
She put a short ram on her car. Actually, she just bought it and told me to install it... So she's not THAT cool.
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Originally Posted by wackjum
My girlfriend is pretty cool. She used to drive an old Porsche 911 but that thing eventually became too costly to maintain.
She put a short ram on her car. Actually, she just bought it and told me to install it... So she's not THAT cool.
She put a short ram on her car. Actually, she just bought it and told me to install it... So she's not THAT cool.
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Originally Posted by VulgarDisplayOfPower
well if this helps, my friend neutral dropped his car and the tranny just dropped right out the damn car...
so keep that in mind.
so keep that in mind.
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A buddy of mine brake torqued his Acura and he actually got worst times than if he were to just smash the throttle.
The problem with the 1st gen TL is that the stall speed is not high enough to take advantage of this method. I believe the torque convertor fully locks up at 1,900RPM. Unless you get Level 10 Torque convertor (if they make it for the TL), you're stuck at 1.9K and that's not really the C32's ideal torque range (read: C32 low end isn't great)
The problem with the 1st gen TL is that the stall speed is not high enough to take advantage of this method. I believe the torque convertor fully locks up at 1,900RPM. Unless you get Level 10 Torque convertor (if they make it for the TL), you're stuck at 1.9K and that's not really the C32's ideal torque range (read: C32 low end isn't great)
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The torque starts to pick up around 3200 rpms
The RL motor might be better suited for such a thing.. but whats the point really?
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