Altitude

Hello All Im back after a few hard months of flying over millions of acres of forests bored to death looking for smoke or fire.

So My buddy challeged me to a head to head race His 97 2.5 vs my 98 3.2.

Will he be quicker on take off but Ill catch up on the top end?
We're doing this on a safe quarter mile dead end so we should be okay.

This will probably happen this week.
Ill post pics or vids if I can figure out how.

Ken1997TL

In perfect test conditions, you'll be ahead of him the whole time.

TLBaller

There has been a few topics on this and from what I read, the 2.5 has a slight advantage b/c of the weight diff but um...i think after a certain rpm or so, the 3.2's extra cylinder will have the advantage.

altitude: cheat a little bit by doing a fresh oil change, take out your spare tire/speaker box or any extra weight, run on a 1/4 tank of gas or less, be sure your tires are properly inflated, clean your air filter, and um...roll up your windows with the A/C off?

wackjum

Curb weight of the 2.5 is 3,252 lbs. Weight of the 3.2 is 3,461.

But the 2.5 has 18.4 lbs per HP and the 3.2 has 17.3 lbs per HP. In terms of lb/ft of torque, the disparity is even bigger.

Plus the max torque of the 2.5 comes at a low 3,900. Not much of a highend runner.

I don't see the 2.5 winning or even getting a jump. Certainly not from a stop.

daemonicus

the 3.2 runs the quarter mile in 16.29s and the 2.5 runs it in 17.20s

you'll lose but it wont be by a huge amount.

if you take TLBaller's advice about saving weight (take out spare tire and run with not a lot of gas, use 1/8 tank, not 1/4 ) and you get a faster reaction than he does, you'll still lose probably hah but the gap between the two of you will be pretty close.

Go90go

No holding the brake down to build up RPMs, as that'll just retard your ignition timing, and forget about the gas. Even half a tank is ok, since rule of thumb: 100LBs only shaves off 0.1 seconds in the 400m. Half-throttle right from the get-go, and a half second later full. By the time you're done with first and second gear engages, you'll be up ahead by about 1/2 a car with no chance of the UA2 reeling you back in as you will still be pulling hard. Good luck and if you launch the way I'm telling you, I'm sure the events will pan out identically to what I've just described.

~Cheers~

P.S. Gas is much lighter than water. So go figure potential weight savings from that. BTW, our second gear is pretty damn strong!

daemonicus

ah! i thought you had the 2.5 and he had the 3.2. oops! well i guess if HE listened to this advice then maybe he'll only lose by a fraction to you. haha sorry about the mix-up.

Altitude

Seems this is turning out to be a real gunfight. Hes talkin' shit and looks like theres a box of cigars and a bottle of something for the winner.

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

lolz spank him, get those box of cigars then don't forget to send to your friends on AZ.... its good to have u back...

Go90go

Yes, welcome back and shoot those cigars over! I hate shit talkers... Like the NA MKIV that thought he was crazy fast because he had a Supra, even after I took him by a car and a half.

~Cheers~

TLBaller

you took a na supra in your tl?

Go90go

Yes, NA Auto, bone stock. Well, not really, it had one mod: driven by a douchebag, punk 18 y.o. kid (-50HP).

~Cheers~

P.S. I've got some vids (not of the Poopra), maybe I'll post them up. I had launching issues which have recently been solved, .

The_Prophet

http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php...arch+DragTimes

Go90go

Prophet, those times don't show our years, only the second gen and up.

~Cheers~

Altitude

I dont want to sound like an idiot who never raced ,but we always held on the brake with a bit of power. Now you're telling me I must transition brake release and half throttle for a few feet then full bananas till the end.
The weekend looks like a washout here with heavy rains until Sunday evening so even if I do get out it may be dark.
Heres what Im doing to prep:

Change oil
New air filter
Tire pressure :36 frnt 32 rear
remove spare
As you all know I fly fire patrol and spotter flights so I have access to
110 Octane gasoline. Its not lead free but Low lead. so Im thinking 10 gallons of that juice with a bit of acetone to help it along wont hurt either. I just hope my engine doesnt grenade on me and make me have a bad day.
Aside from that I wont be doing much. But Im sure my competition will be prepared too.
ANy tips will help.
The best tip will receive a wonderful keith's ale mug. mailed to you from me.
just like this one without the beer of course...

http://secure.cnlcanada.com/lboc/Kei...c_etch_mug.jpg

desired_speeds

just floor it, you'll beat him if you launch correctly.

btw, how high are you going up to? cuz the 3.2 had more high end i think

Go90go

No 110 octane. It won't do anything for power as a higher octane is NOT a power-booster, it's just a detonation guard (simplest way I can think of right now). If you have your tyres at 36PSI, you'll lose traction off the line. We're FWD and we need all the help we can get since we have physics working against us (weight transfer). Desired, we can't just floor it because of the weight transfer issues, and test it out. You'll see that from a dig, partial throttle, then full accelerates much faster than all out flooring. There will be a lag of about 1 second before we start to pull if we floor it. Back to the tyres. 32PSI for the rear is actually very good, and you might actually see better traction if you flipped those numbers: 32F 36R. Ideally have it set at 28F or even 26PSI, but nothing below. Harder tyres in the rear might help keep some of the weight to the good wheels. I tried to make a vid of me launching last night, but I couldn't get a good shot because I was half asleep on my way home, hehe. I'll try again today.

~Cheers~

Ken1997TL

Put 36 PSI rear and 30 front. Half throttle the first second, then apply full force. Turn off TCS if you have it.

rocsplttr

Man, I drive a 2.5 and wish every time I turn the key in the ignition that I was driving a 3.2

Go90go

Hey now, nothing wrong with a 2.5! It's still a nice car!

~Cheers~

Ken1997TL

Less weight up front, its a fun car to drive around on back country roads

Go90go

That and I'm jealous of the aftermarket support and the parts interoperability...

~Cheers~

Blah Too Sleepy

Man, I really need to start thinking about some projects for my car. Wheels...suspension....clear front sidemarkers...


Go90go... any pics of your tl? by your av, your tl looks beautiful with clear markers. I just purchased my 98 3.2tl 2 weeks ago and im loving it.

Go90go

I'll do you one better, here's a vid that I had on my phone, taken a week or so ago. Don't worry, the audio was removed because some jerks were talking loudly in the background:

Front-End

Thanks for the compliment!

~Cheers~

Go90go

Oh yeah, here's a clip for everyone else of my friend and I. He's in a 98 Accord V6 Coupe with AEM cold-air, and exhaust, full suspension upgraded (by me, hehe). Vid's taken by HIS love interest while she was riding in MY car, . That was his handicap, since I had the added weight. Sorry for the dark vid, and the camera not focusing too much on the other car as it was on me for some reason, .

Go90go vs. 98 Accord V6 Coupe

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

on that one... Koni's or Tokiko needs to make some shocks for the 3.2... i refuse to lower my car on OEM shocks...

Ken1997TL

They need to design some REAR shocks for us We can use Legend parts for the front

Blah Too Sleepy

nice, any links for clear headlights for decent price? I need to gain baller status.

Go90go

YouTube f*cked this vid up... It's much better on my phone/computer before being garbled by YT... Damn. I'll take another one and see if that doesn't come out better.

~Cheers~

Go90go

If you mean bumper lights, they're available on eBay! Much cheaper there, too as mine were $85 from another site when didn't have them.

~Cheers~

Blah Too Sleepy

that...and inspire taillights. cannot find them on ebay.

Go90go

They pop up once in awhile... There was a set on there last week, IIRC.

~Cheers~

daemonicus

Procarparts has them back in stock now for $30. got pick 'em up!

http://www.procarparts.com/store-det...=onlinestoreDB

Blah Too Sleepy

Go90go

Any updates on you and your m8, Altitude? Or is the weather still shitty? Tomorrow I'll try to have a daytime pull for better vid quality, or I'll have someone record in a chase car. As I was telling my friend, the '98-'02 Accord V6 Coupe is my baseline for modding, and it looks like I'm going to need a new baseline... Current Accord V6 anyone? Maybe this one, then when I'm tired of that one, maybe this one...

~Cheers~

P.S. About that second one, I kinda wanted to keep it sedan to sedan, but... whatever.

Go90go

BTW Kam, back in the Accord days, we had Koni bring the front yellows back into production and start a new production line for rear yellows (never made before for the '86-'89) for only 50 sets total... They were priced at $125 each shock, too! If we organise something similar, I know for sure that I'd be down! $125 is pretty damn cheap, all things considered... For the Accord, revalved Bilsteins would've run you $800+ for a $1000 car, hehe.

~Cheers~

Altitude

Im hoping this will go down this weekend, Hes been stalling complaing about this or that. Youd think we were racing top fuel or something.
I promise I will vid this and post it here.

Go90go

I think he might of found us on here and has been reading about how you'll stomp on him, hehe. Or maybe, he bought one of those IAT chips from eGay and is waiting for it to arrive, HAHA!! Within the first 60 feet, the ECU will detect the modified signal and compensate.

~Cheers~

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

i may have to get me a spare set...

TLBaller

yeah i may buy a few sets and resell on ebay. STARTING BID: 30.00