True it would take longer to build boost pressure... but by how much I wonder.

 

From: alexxw@group-a-eng.com
To: the_wrench116@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 17:06:16 -0800
Subject: RE: CAMS

Hello Joshua,
Unfortunately we are not sure how that motor is configured. We certainly haven’t had one part nor do I believe we have plans to where we would know if something like that would be compatible.
If there is anything else you need help with, feel free to ask
Thank you kindly,
Alexx

From: joshua fletcher [mailto:the_wrench116@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 3:07 PM
To: Sales Team
Subject: CAMS

I own an acura rdx 2008 with a K23 is there a chance that these cams Item Number: LS086 Condition: New Price: $255 Shipped in continental U.S. Description: Skunk2 K20A3/K24A1 Turbo 1 Camshafts (Part# 305-05-0265) might fit my application?
thanks for your time sincerely SGT Fletcher USAR

I think the front mount isn't really necessary until we get more boost(bigger turbo). once I'm home I'll put that issue to rest with the data logging capability of the flash pro.

 

True a bigger turbo would help justify the need for a FMIC. I think of the other benefits of getting rid of the top mount. Like spark plugs. lol. Although if you rear-end a car then you're IC is SOL. What about a head swap to have the option of swapping cam shafts? Or if you really wanted just do a k24 Frankenstein turbo build and hope the drive train holds. It is looking limited as to what to do more with this platform as it's limitations show up quick as far as mods.

 

what do you mean it only took 7 years of pleading with hondata to get a tuning solution. and as far as building a K24 you could but it wont bolt in to anything. the transmission is closer to the V6 then the other K series motors... we are kind of stuck with what we have. its ok to say it we got hosed on what should have been their most supported motor(hello aftermarket its a factory turbo!!!) as it doesn't share bore spacing or size with any other k series making head swaps or anything swaps impossible.

 

Not really true. A lot of guys run a designated NA cam in turbo K's and Bseries.

A FMIC would be ideal. No more heatsoak, more room for bigger cores for more hp and lower IAT'S. Lag lol. There's hardly a difference. The benefits outweigh the slight lag you would see. Besides, lag isn't always a bad thing. Putting torque later in the rpms keeps stress off the rods and pistons.

 

And a head swap or even whole motor swap isn't possible. The trans bolts do not line up with other K series motors. The heads have different coolant passages.

 

Did some digging found a photo of K24a1 cams from a CRV / honda accord

Top cam is intake bottom cam is exhaust



this is the intake cam for an RDX



exhaust cam for an RDX



as you can tell by the photos the lobe locations are the same only way to be 100% on it is to look at them in person side by side and measure to confirm.. but by eyeballing both, they are identical..

 

RE: CAMS‏
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To: joshua fletcher
From:Alexx Wightman (alexxw@group-a-eng.com)Sent:Wed 2/12/14 11:12 AMTo: joshua fletcher (the_wrench116@hotmail.com)
Hello Josh, Unfortunately our policy states the only main reason we would be able to accept that kind of return, is if there was a manufacturer defect.
Thanks,
Alexx
From: joshua fletcher [mailto:the_wrench116@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 6:10 PM
To: Alexx Wightman
Subject: RE: CAMS
well would you be willing to have them returned if in fact they do not fit? with no loss to me except the cost of shipping? on the off chance they do fit I would be you unofficial test dummy.

 

so I don't want to waist 255 on a set of cams I cant use... any interest in putting a $10-$20 a person pot together to lessen the risk of a fellow member? if the cams work everyone gets a refund. if they don't then they don't until they sell on ebay or whatever.

 

Just pick up a set of crv cams for dirt cheap. I've got a spare crv motor but I'm not pulling it apart yet. You shouldn't spend more than $50 on them.

 

hold your horses on things for a bit im talking to someone to see if they will work.. the need to find out the duration on the RDX ones to see

 

Bigger turbo? If we already have a better tmic in the ets why not just find someone to make a turbo upgrade. Either a complete bolt on option or someone who require the core and stuffs a larger compressor wheel in the stock housing?

 

I didn't think a bigger turbo or a different turbo was possible?
If so, most people would've opted for it over a replacement $4500 POS Acura on, no?

 

Well I posted a response in another thread because of my stupid iPad but I got the answer am proposed another question.

 

ive asked around. no one was interested at the time. about a year ago.

 

...it wouldn't be more similar to RSX parts would it? The intake manifold side of it is.

 

I was referring to inside the block to the head. I'm not quite 100% positive. Ill have to dig for the link. Intake manifolds should bolt up as do all the other K series manifolds do on each motor. But with the k23 being slightly different in other parts, you won't really know until you do it.

 

see what the differences are between the intake gaskets from hondata or p2r. they should be telling no?

 

no point to run a different intake manifold unless you plan to run a FMIC due to the relocation of where the air is brought in.

 

NOT. TRUE.

RDXers meet your God ))

http://acura-club.net/index.php?show...18&#entry99818

Photos of the complete engine build.

Short Spec list (translated by me):

- Pistons CP-E
- Rods Skunk2
- Head gasket Toda
- Head OEM Honda K20A2
- Cams OEM Honda K24A3
- Valves +1mm Honda OEM K24Z3
- Valve guiders Ferrea
- Gear VTS Honda OEM K20A2
- Exhaust gear Honda OEM K24A3
- Spark Plags Denso Iridium IK22
- Intake manifold Honda OEM K24A3
- Exhaust manifold GoshaTurbotech
- ATF cooler Level 10
- Throttle body Honda OEM K24Z3
- Air to liquid intercooler system 1200 hp GoshaTurbotech
- Blow-off TIAL
- Wastegate TIAL
- Thermal blanket DEI Titan
- Air filter K&N
- Fuel pump Deachwerks DW65C
- Downpipe GoshaTurbotech
- Injectors Deachwerks 1000cc
- Engine Radiator Mishimoto
- Hybrid Turbo GARRETT GTX 3071R


Estimated power output: around 430-450 hp
Estimated torque: 450 lb/ft

So, who said this is not possible?

 

Hmm ok. Wonder if it was direct fit or machining involved.

 

the link leads me back to the acurazine forum...

 

which part the intake or the head? be nice if it was in English...

 

google translate

 

< to lazy. would really rather have a modified stock frame turbo with the variable function still intact. I like the fast response and everything still bolts up. as far as everything else that was done seems like a very in depth build. be interesting to see what dies first in the driveline. the other reason the stock frame setup would be nice is that there is less complexity and the biggy is COST$$$$ seems to me he spent an awful lot of money on a custom manifold and turbo. how much more HP/TQ could we get out of a wheel change? im thinking that if we cant maintain the factory setup then something like a gt28xx will be a good street turbo but that's just me.

 

so I found a company that is willing to take a shot at modifying the stock turbo for more output! need help finding a good used turbo some time in the next month or so. the company is called blouch turbo located in Lebanon PA. not sure what kind of numbers to expect just yet. but they are willing to try which is huge. rough numbers for cost are not available yet. ill be looking for a used turbo in the coming months and ill be getting tuned after I put the new turbo set up on.

 

ebay always has used turbos.. start checking the junk yards too

 

this is not the SH-AWD its the FWD which is easily swapped out with any other k series and swap axles if they dont fit which they will. Not impressive at all. Would have got a k20z3 motor with boost seen well over 500+ whp.

 

relevance? nothing is bolt on or stock about this.

 

oh new update got a set of K24 cams need to see if they will fit. maybe this weekend.

 

Since when RDX2007 became a FWD?
And what exactly is easily swapped?

 

2007 Acura RDX FWD? Hmmm..

 

Name: (email address: the_wrench116@hotmail.com) sent you the following comment : Product Code (optional, may not be filled in) : H-KPRO-58
am I correct in thinking that this could be mounted with the throttle body facing up? im looking at this manifold for a K23 build for my Acura RDX. I've already got an ETS intercooler Devils own water meth injection, DW800cc injectors, RV6 down pipe, Hondata Flash pro, CP-e intake, im going to be getting a turbo upgrade from Blouch performance turbo in PA
and building my own catback using 3" SS409 mandrel bent pipe.
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On Aug 12, 2014, at 5:45 PM, "Rich Kobliha"
<Rich@xcessivemanufacturing.com> wrote:

Yup, the plenum can be turned over. We can also swap it for an end feed plenum that can go on driver or passenger side.
Thanks
Rich Kobliha
Xcessive Manufacturing

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From: "joshua fletcher" <the_wrench116@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 2:51 PM
To: "Rich Kobliha" <rich@xcessivemanufacturing.com>
Subject: Re: K-Pro 58 intake

And is the 58 mm ports the only size option or is there a smaller size option? Our builds aren't going to be more then 400whp. Currently I'm making 264whp. with the turbo upgrade maybe cams in the future might get to 375.

Sent from my iPhone
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We have the KPro in a 50mm runner, I would say much better for the milder motor. We can also swap the plenums for versions with the TB on the end.
Thanks
Rich Kobliha
Xcessive Manufacturing
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so this looks like it might be do able and would solve a lot of issues with what kenb350z had to go through. im sure that there is still some sensor mounting and fabrication that needs to be done but still looks like it will Feed the motor up in the 6500-8000 rpm range!

 

Yeah, I connected them two years ago asking about the same thing. Didn't go with them because I will not be making close to enough power for that manifold to get full potential. It's like putting a JG intake manifold on a street B16 motor when you should have just went with the CTR intake manifold. Bigger is not all ways better. What issues am I having by the way?

 

just the additional intake pipe that needed to be made that's all. I can do it im just not interested in doing it. did they mention the 50mm port as an option? and if so how much more flow is this intake capable of supporting then the stock one? or yours for that matter? what intake are you running by the way? CTR? cant remember as I suffer from SFB.

 

Haha, I wouldn't call them issues. Just extra time and money. It makes it more one off looking (custom). Just look at the Xcessive Manufacturing, the runners are FAT and plenum is GIRTHY. I only see one styles of car running these manifold and it's track only cars, that's why I went with an everyday OEM manifold that got great reviews and great airflow. Another reason was fitment, I'm glad I went with this manifold because it's a close fit; like centimeters. Now aftermarket parts are not as good fitment as OEM. You may be going into (custom) territory which is ok if you like (custom) work. I would check the length of that manifold from the beginning of the runners to the end of the plenum, because it will be a pretty stressful install trying not to scuff up the manifold. I would check their return policy before installing. I am running the RBC intake manifold, this manifold comes off the Honda Civic Si '06-'11.

 

damn that does look tight!!! it would be great if I knew a guy you know.?. then I could get this stuff to test and if its not what the community wants then its ok cause it was either "free" or just on loan. but you've got to pay to play I guess...

 

http://www.superstreetonline.com/tec...fold_shootout/

 

Another angle.

 

decent article but I think we should set you up as tester for different manifolds. you have the most mods. also you have a spare car I think?.?
it would be cool to see who would step up to the plate. see if superstreet would run a story or maybe Honda tuning. remember Turbo magazine? they would have so much more to play with now days.