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Toyota already anounced the next camry will have awd, so if the next accord doesn't then Honda will have a problem. And that new toyota engine puts them in the same boat as nissan now, they can just tune and drop that engine in cars left and right. I wouldn't be surprised if we see an suv under the rx330 very soon.
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Toyota already anounced the next camry will have awd, so if the next accord doesn't then Honda will have a problem. And that new toyota engine puts them in the same boat as nissan now, they can just tune and drop that engine in cars left and right. I wouldn't be surprised if we see an suv under the rx330 very soon.
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
Toyota already anounced the next camry will have awd, so if the next accord doesn't then Honda will have a problem. And that new toyota engine puts them in the same boat as nissan now, they can just tune and drop that engine in cars left and right. I wouldn't be surprised if we see an suv under the rx330 very soon.
I know the price of oil isn't $55/barrel and in the news constantly but rising gas prices are not over as an issue for automobile manufacturers. Small displacement V6s like the 3.0 Honda may prove to be more important than 300HP V6s and 500HP V8s if the cost of oil increases again.
I wonder if the V6 in the RDX will be below the 3.0, maybe a 2.8 or 2.5L V6 that could also appeal to other markets where gas is $5 a gallon.
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Speaking of AWD on mainstream Hondas....
I'm surprised that Honda or Acura has yet to announce an Ody with AWD...
Most of the other minivans have AWD available, and while the Ody is rock-solid in every other department, AWD would have to improve the snow and rain capability of the Ody, as well as the public's perception of safety for their family.
It's not like it would be that difficult (Pilot and MD-X already setup)?
Most of the other minivans have AWD available, and while the Ody is rock-solid in every other department, AWD would have to improve the snow and rain capability of the Ody, as well as the public's perception of safety for their family.
It's not like it would be that difficult (Pilot and MD-X already setup)?
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I'm surprised that Honda or Acura has yet to announce an Ody with AWD...
Most of the other minivans have AWD available, and while the Ody is rock-solid in every other department, AWD would have to improve the snow and rain capability of the Ody, as well as the public's perception of safety for their family.
It's not like it would be that difficult (Pilot and MD-X already setup)?
Most of the other minivans have AWD available, and while the Ody is rock-solid in every other department, AWD would have to improve the snow and rain capability of the Ody, as well as the public's perception of safety for their family.
It's not like it would be that difficult (Pilot and MD-X already setup)?
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Originally Posted by phile
Honda stated that their research showed that AWD accounted for 1% of sales for minivans that have AWD as an option. So they're pretty much going with the same excuse for not offering a V8 option on their luxury sedans.
As for spreading AWD to the Ody, I'm sure their research is correct, yet as a person who deals with research numbers, I can say that you can make numbers look anyway you want. Look at what BMW has done for the face lifted 7. A car that showed lagging sales comparied with its competitors now is called the most sucessful 7 ever. Yea, compaired to its forebares perhaps. BMW just justified the change as something planned as apart of the evolutionary process.
With AWD, the bean counters are putting in their two cents worth.
Just my 2 cents
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Definitely they'll need a V8 if they go above the RL, which they will per the Oracle. Supposedly the V8 will be in a flagship sedan, maybe shared with the MDX, or a real fullsize pickup truck? Or maybe even a fullsize SUV.
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Originally Posted by phile
Definitely they'll need a V8 if they go above the RL, which they will per the Oracle. Supposedly the V8 will be in a flagship sedan, maybe shared with the MDX, or a real fullsize pickup truck? Or maybe even a fullsize SUV.
The MDX would rock with a V8. It'll sell in lower numbers but for those need the extra pulling power it'll be a hit. A bigger motor for the Ridgeline does the same thing.
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all v6 honda/acuras will have SHAWD......
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all v6 honda/acuras will have SHAWD......
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Originally Posted by AcuraFan
Where'd you hear this? I know they said SHAWD will be mated with V6s. But I haven't heard anywhere that all Hondas and Acuras with V6s will get it. Does that mean if the CRV gets a V6, it'll get SHAWD? (as well as the Pilot, Ody, MDX, TL and possibly RDX and NSX?)
Even if the CRV get's a V6 (since the next RAV4 should offer one) then VTM-4 seems good enough. Who buys a Honda (other then S2k and Civic Si) for performance anyway.
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Honda-acura.net posted a story about Honda developing a 2.4L 4cyl with turbo developing approx. 240-250HP.
http://www.honda-acura.net/index.php...aede97fc4f61ae
According to the story, it is slated fo rthe TSX and possibly the highest level Civic. No torque rating was discussed but wondering if this could also be in the plans for the RDX.
http://www.honda-acura.net/index.php...aede97fc4f61ae
According to the story, it is slated fo rthe TSX and possibly the highest level Civic. No torque rating was discussed but wondering if this could also be in the plans for the RDX.
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Originally Posted by 98AccordEx
Honda-acura.net posted a story about Honda developing a 2.4L 4cyl with turbo developing approx. 240-250HP.
http://www.honda-acura.net/index.php...aede97fc4f61ae
According to the story, it is slated fo rthe TSX and possibly the highest level Civic. No torque rating was discussed but wondering if this could also be in the plans for the RDX.
http://www.honda-acura.net/index.php...aede97fc4f61ae
According to the story, it is slated fo rthe TSX and possibly the highest level Civic. No torque rating was discussed but wondering if this could also be in the plans for the RDX.
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Originally Posted by 98AccordEx
Honda-acura.net posted a story about Honda developing a 2.4L 4cyl with turbo developing approx. 240-250HP.
http://www.honda-acura.net/index.php...aede97fc4f61ae
According to the story, it is slated fo rthe TSX and possibly the highest level Civic. No torque rating was discussed but wondering if this could also be in the plans for the RDX.
http://www.honda-acura.net/index.php...aede97fc4f61ae
According to the story, it is slated fo rthe TSX and possibly the highest level Civic. No torque rating was discussed but wondering if this could also be in the plans for the RDX.
Honda better friggin put a "6" in there, or there will be a lot people raging mad
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Originally Posted by vicpai
......with the RDX (that is put a turbocharged 4cyl in there, or a 4 cylinder of any kind) I would NEVER buy it....and I would advise others also NEVER to buy it, unless they're stupid
Honda better friggin put a "6" in there, or there will be a lot people raging mad
Honda better friggin put a "6" in there, or there will be a lot people raging mad
I'll bite though, why would people be stupid to buy an RDX with a turbo 4. Let's say that it puts out 250hp and 230lb-ft from 3000rpm. How is this worse than buying a X3 3.0 with 225hp? Are you ignorant enough to believe that because it doesn't have 6 cylinders it isn't worthy?
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Originally Posted by Professor Gascan
I seem to remember people saying the same thing about the TSX before it came out.
I'll bite though, why would people be stupid to buy an RDX with a turbo 4. Let's say that it puts out 250hp and 230lb-ft from 3000rpm. How is this worse than buying a X3 3.0 with 225hp? Are you ignorant enough to believe that because it doesn't have 6 cylinders it isn't worthy?
I'll bite though, why would people be stupid to buy an RDX with a turbo 4. Let's say that it puts out 250hp and 230lb-ft from 3000rpm. How is this worse than buying a X3 3.0 with 225hp? Are you ignorant enough to believe that because it doesn't have 6 cylinders it isn't worthy?
You bring up a good point. People were poopooing the TSX for it's 2.4l i4 but it turned out to be a critical and sales success. And considering the 2.4l produces similar power levels as the 3.0 in the X3, I think there's a chance we'll see the NA 2.4l in the RDX.
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A turbo 4cyl would be competitive against the V6's in other Crossover SUVs so why not.
Volvo, Audi and Subaru use 4 or 5cyl turbos and many prefer them to the V6 alternatives where offered. What would you buy a Subaru Outback Turbo or the boxer six for example?
Volvo, Audi and Subaru use 4 or 5cyl turbos and many prefer them to the V6 alternatives where offered. What would you buy a Subaru Outback Turbo or the boxer six for example?
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Originally Posted by Professor Gascan
I seem to remember people saying the same thing about the TSX before it came out.
I'll bite though, why would people be stupid to buy an RDX with a turbo 4. Let's say that it puts out 250hp and 230lb-ft from 3000rpm. How is this worse than buying a X3 3.0 with 225hp? Are you ignorant enough to believe that because it doesn't have 6 cylinders it isn't worthy?
I'll bite though, why would people be stupid to buy an RDX with a turbo 4. Let's say that it puts out 250hp and 230lb-ft from 3000rpm. How is this worse than buying a X3 3.0 with 225hp? Are you ignorant enough to believe that because it doesn't have 6 cylinders it isn't worthy?
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Originally Posted by vicpai
....that it is not just about peak power and torque numbers!!....Even a Subaru STi will give you that ....People buying an Acura are also looking for excellent overall levels of refinement, smoothness, quietness, linearity of power delivery etc. .....IF YOU GET MY DRIFT ......try as they may, these things are literally incompatible with a 4 cylinder motor......Besides this, while they may be able to achieve those peak hp numbers let me see them achieve those low-end torque numbers, even from a turbocharged 4 cylinder......and let me see them COMPLETELY ELIMINATE turbo lag!!
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Originally Posted by vicpai
....that it is not just about peak power and torque numbers!!....Even a Subaru STi will give you that ....People buying an Acura are also looking for excellent overall levels of refinement, smoothness, quietness, linearity of power delivery etc. .....IF YOU GET MY DRIFT ......try as they may, these things are literally incompatible with a 4 cylinder motor......Besides this, while they may be able to achieve those peak hp numbers let me see them achieve those low-end torque numbers, even from a turbocharged 4 cylinder......and let me see them COMPLETELY ELIMINATE turbo lag!!
Second, the new VW GTI with the 2.0 Turbo 4 cylinder makes 207lb-ft of torque from 1800rpm to 4700rpm. I'd say that's more low end torque than a BMW 2.5 I6, wouldn't you? Jeremy Clarkson (possibly the most critical auto journalist around today) had this to say about the 2.0T - "30mph, 6th gear, footdown, full off. There isn't even any turbo lag. This engine is an absolute peach."
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Vic, obviously you haven't seen dyno graphs of the K24 in the TSX. Power is quite linear and I'm sure with Honda's knowledge, they would set up a turbo to keep that linearity. I wouldn't be so hasty to disregard a turbo K24. Don't knock it till you've tried it.
HMC needed a diesel for Europe - instead of outsourcing Honda produces one of the most powerful diesels and of course it runs cleaner than expected.
Honda wanted a hybrid to appeal to more than just econo car buyers - they create the Accord Hybrid that performs better than the V6.
Honda saw the fuel ecomomy of SUVs and minivans as a growing concern - they develop Variable Cylinder Management for their V6s.
Have a little faith, they have tackled every engine problem so far Turbo lag shouldn't be too hard for them.
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We're discussing this as if its a certainty Honda will be Turboing the K24
The 3.0L from the Accord would be far more pratical and probly cheaper to implement for this application. And considering its almost a certainty that the next CR-V will be getting a V6 (6 in the RAV has been confirmed) I'd say the RDX will have a V6 as well
The 3.0L from the Accord would be far more pratical and probly cheaper to implement for this application. And considering its almost a certainty that the next CR-V will be getting a V6 (6 in the RAV has been confirmed) I'd say the RDX will have a V6 as well
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Originally Posted by domn
We're discussing this as if its a certainty Honda will be Turboing the K24
The 3.0L from the Accord would be far more pratical and probly cheaper to implement for this application. And considering its almost a certainty that the next CR-V will be getting a V6 (6 in the RAV has been confirmed) I'd say the RDX will have a V6 as well
The 3.0L from the Accord would be far more pratical and probly cheaper to implement for this application. And considering its almost a certainty that the next CR-V will be getting a V6 (6 in the RAV has been confirmed) I'd say the RDX will have a V6 as well
IMO if Honda is perparing for a US Turbo, it may be a TSX engine. Acura did fairly well with it's Type-S models. Honda as we all know take forever and a day to get into markets. Look how long it took for a minivan and the first one was small. Look at how long it took for a SUV and they were badge engineered. Honda may be looking at a performance line up. A-Spec is nice but no pwr increase so to me it is some what pointless.
I see the RDX with a V6 not the new 2.4T
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As someone said above, HMC could build the ultimate turbo engine if they want to... Anyone remember what they did with turbo charged engines in F1, way back in 1988?
Spreading the V6 around would obviously be the cheapest solution, but Honda is not Nissan (thankfully). If a 2.4L Turbo can provide the power and better fuel efficiency vs. a V6, especially to differentiate the RDX for their upscale Acura line vs. competitors, they may just do it.
I'd rather see IMA in the vehicle, but it sounds like that's not going to happen.
BTW, my mother and sister have yet to complain about only having a 4-cyl in their CR-V and Element SUVs, respectively. While a V6 would be nice, not sure the demographics or the price of fuel is demanding one in these vehicles.
Spreading the V6 around would obviously be the cheapest solution, but Honda is not Nissan (thankfully). If a 2.4L Turbo can provide the power and better fuel efficiency vs. a V6, especially to differentiate the RDX for their upscale Acura line vs. competitors, they may just do it.
I'd rather see IMA in the vehicle, but it sounds like that's not going to happen.
BTW, my mother and sister have yet to complain about only having a 4-cyl in their CR-V and Element SUVs, respectively. While a V6 would be nice, not sure the demographics or the price of fuel is demanding one in these vehicles.
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Honda's V6 are some of the most fuel efficient out there. The next CRV may just get a V6 due to the fact the RAV4 is getting one according to rumors and rumor has it Toyota made that choice once they heard the CRV was getting one.
The RDX could and most likely would do well with a 2.4t. As it stands, Honda has the 3.0, 3.2, 3.5, 3.5 VCM, and 3.5 1/2 ton applications. Nissan on the other had spreads their 3.5 around all over the place. Now Honda's engines are somewhat related but not too closely.
I'm sure Honda has studied the market so it believes it knows what it is doing. Although the first Ody NEEDED a V6. But a turbo would do well I'd say if the load was light. Now If you loaded up some gear, some friends and pulled a Honda jet ski the turbo may have to work harder and fuel mileage may then suffer.
The RDX could and most likely would do well with a 2.4t. As it stands, Honda has the 3.0, 3.2, 3.5, 3.5 VCM, and 3.5 1/2 ton applications. Nissan on the other had spreads their 3.5 around all over the place. Now Honda's engines are somewhat related but not too closely.
I'm sure Honda has studied the market so it believes it knows what it is doing. Although the first Ody NEEDED a V6. But a turbo would do well I'd say if the load was light. Now If you loaded up some gear, some friends and pulled a Honda jet ski the turbo may have to work harder and fuel mileage may then suffer.
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Honda's V6 are some of the most fuel efficient out there. The next CRV may just get a V6 due to the fact the RAV4 is getting one according to rumors and rumor has it Toyota made that choice once they heard the CRV was getting one.
The RDX could and most likely would do well with a 2.4t. As it stands, Honda has the 3.0, 3.2, 3.5, 3.5 VCM, and 3.5 1/2 ton applications. Nissan on the other had spreads their 3.5 around all over the place. Now Honda's engines are somewhat related but not too closely.
I'm sure Honda has studied the market so it believes it knows what it is doing. Although the first Ody NEEDED a V6. But a turbo would do well I'd say if the load was light. Now If you loaded up some gear, some friends and pulled a Honda jet ski the turbo may have to work harder and fuel mileage may then suffer.
The RDX could and most likely would do well with a 2.4t. As it stands, Honda has the 3.0, 3.2, 3.5, 3.5 VCM, and 3.5 1/2 ton applications. Nissan on the other had spreads their 3.5 around all over the place. Now Honda's engines are somewhat related but not too closely.
I'm sure Honda has studied the market so it believes it knows what it is doing. Although the first Ody NEEDED a V6. But a turbo would do well I'd say if the load was light. Now If you loaded up some gear, some friends and pulled a Honda jet ski the turbo may have to work harder and fuel mileage may then suffer.
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1) Don't forget the 3.0 IMA application (Accord Hybrid).
2) Wouldn't VCM improve fuel economy no matter how big the vehicle is, so wouldn't VCM be easily adaptable to any Honda V6? (other than the Ridgeline - towing capacity?) If so, than why not add VCM to CR-V with a V6, as well as the Accord, TL, MD-X, RD-X?
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Agreed
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1) Don't forget the 3.0 IMA application (Accord Hybrid).
2) Wouldn't VCM improve fuel economy no matter how big the vehicle is, so wouldn't VCM be easily adaptable to any Honda V6? (other than the Ridgeline - towing capacity?) If so, than why not add VCM to CR-V with a V6, as well as the Accord, TL, MD-X, RD-X?
Comment and Questioni:
1) Don't forget the 3.0 IMA application (Accord Hybrid).
2) Wouldn't VCM improve fuel economy no matter how big the vehicle is, so wouldn't VCM be easily adaptable to any Honda V6? (other than the Ridgeline - towing capacity?) If so, than why not add VCM to CR-V with a V6, as well as the Accord, TL, MD-X, RD-X?
The RDX and CRV will definitely weigh less but if they have less powerful engines (3.0 V6 has 212 TRQ) than it may have the same problem at cruising speed.
As for cars, I would think Accord V6 will get VCM but Acura is a performance oriented car and may forego it.
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I wonder how much feedback does Honda get on the engine choice? Does it have anything to do with marketing, or it's mostly engineering driven? A lot of products being developed like software gets very quick user feedback. If consumer voice has any impact on their decision, maybe someone from Honda is surfing these websites?
Anyhow, let's hope that RDX will be a hit with awesome engine, transmission, and SHAWD. Don't let it be just another car - ok hp/tq with cheaper price than the compeition. Let it be the Benchmark for all small luxury performance SUVs.
What does "RDX" mean anyway??
Anyhow, let's hope that RDX will be a hit with awesome engine, transmission, and SHAWD. Don't let it be just another car - ok hp/tq with cheaper price than the compeition. Let it be the Benchmark for all small luxury performance SUVs.
What does "RDX" mean anyway??
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It will be interesting to see if the 2006 Pilot or MDX gets VCM??
Isn't the MD-X new for MY2007? I thought I read that somewhere. If true, maybe VCM then, or if the MD-X is moving further upmarket as the surveys I've been responding to from Honda suggest, could IMA or SH-AWD be in the works?
Also, I think Mr. Fukui said VCM will be in the 2006 Pilot duriing his speech in Detroit.
Isn't the MD-X new for MY2007? I thought I read that somewhere. If true, maybe VCM then, or if the MD-X is moving further upmarket as the surveys I've been responding to from Honda suggest, could IMA or SH-AWD be in the works?
Also, I think Mr. Fukui said VCM will be in the 2006 Pilot duriing his speech in Detroit.
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Looks like it will have a brand new V6. Remains to be seen what displacement it will have, but if I had to guess it probably would be a 3.0 or 3.2.
"Acura showed a concept 5-door crossover/SUV. The 5-passenger RD-X is smaller than the 7-passenger Acura MDX and is expected to appeal to younger buyers and families with one or two children.
Due as a production model in summer 2006 with a new 6-cylinder engine and all-wheel drive, the RD-X is expected to help fill a gap in Acura's lineup where its only SUV is the MDX, which has a 2005 manufacturer's suggested retail price of nearly $37,000. Notice the RD-X styling. It's sleek, balanced, and there are no weird, distracting bulges or styling lines. "
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article....e&pos=EditLead
"Acura showed a concept 5-door crossover/SUV. The 5-passenger RD-X is smaller than the 7-passenger Acura MDX and is expected to appeal to younger buyers and families with one or two children.
Due as a production model in summer 2006 with a new 6-cylinder engine and all-wheel drive, the RD-X is expected to help fill a gap in Acura's lineup where its only SUV is the MDX, which has a 2005 manufacturer's suggested retail price of nearly $37,000. Notice the RD-X styling. It's sleek, balanced, and there are no weird, distracting bulges or styling lines. "
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article....e&pos=EditLead
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"Acura showed a concept 5-door crossover/SUV. The 5-passenger RD-X is smaller than the 7-passenger Acura MDX and is expected to appeal to younger buyers and families with one or two children.
Due as a production model in summer 2006 with a new 6-cylinder engine and all-wheel drive, the RD-X is expected to help fill a gap in Acura's lineup where its only SUV is the MDX, which has a 2005 manufacturer's suggested retail price of nearly $37,000. Notice the RD-X styling. It's sleek, balanced, and there are no weird, distracting bulges or styling lines. "
Finally some concrete information on the RDX release date and that it will have a six. Now only if I could wait that long. May have to buy a used 02 or 03 TL and then trade up again when the RDX is going to be released. Anyone interested in buying a 99 CL with 75000 miles??
Due as a production model in summer 2006 with a new 6-cylinder engine and all-wheel drive, the RD-X is expected to help fill a gap in Acura's lineup where its only SUV is the MDX, which has a 2005 manufacturer's suggested retail price of nearly $37,000. Notice the RD-X styling. It's sleek, balanced, and there are no weird, distracting bulges or styling lines. "
Finally some concrete information on the RDX release date and that it will have a six. Now only if I could wait that long. May have to buy a used 02 or 03 TL and then trade up again when the RDX is going to be released. Anyone interested in buying a 99 CL with 75000 miles??
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Unfortunately ... I think we all have reason to be skeptical for MSN Autos "breaking" news on the engine being 100% a new V6. I have my doubts on this one (unless they get lucky).
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Unfortunately ... I think we all have reason to be skeptical for MSN Autos "breaking" news on the engine being 100% a new V6. I have my doubts on this one (unless they get lucky).
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Just picked up MPH magazine. Apparently one of their writers has an insider with Mazda. Apparently, Mazda is looking to use a 2.3 liter turbo, generating 250hp. The engine and awd will apparently come from the Mazdaspeed 6. What does everyone think of this? Could the RDX end up with a Turbo after all. The same magazine mentions that the RDX "should" end up with one of Honda's V-6's but, needless to say it was pretty vague to say the least. They were pretty confident on their info concerning the Mazda though....Interesting. I would find it difficult for Acura to be outdone by Mazda at 250hp and BMW (x3) estimating 225 hp for the 2.5 liter and 250+hp for the 3.0 liter. So who is the RDX competing with?
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Originally Posted by SpartanTodd
Just picked up MPH magazine. Apparently one of their writers has an insider with Mazda. Apparently, Mazda is looking to use a 2.3 liter turbo, generating 250hp. The engine and awd will apparently come from the Mazdaspeed 6. What does everyone think of this? Could the RDX end up with a Turbo after all. The same magazine mentions that the RDX "should" end up with one of Honda's V-6's but, needless to say it was pretty vague to say the least. They were pretty confident on their info concerning the Mazda though....Interesting. I would find it difficult for Acura to be outdone by Mazda at 250hp and BMW (x3) estimating 225 hp for the 2.5 liter and 250+hp for the 3.0 liter. So who is the RDX competing with?
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Could the RDX end up with a Turbo after all. ....
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At this point, I don't think there's much doubt that the RDX will come with a V6. Which V6 with how much output is the real question. I think (hope) that Honda is smart enough to know that if a V6 will fit, there should be one in there. I honestly believe that the TSX chassis is not able to accept a V6, hence, all the I4 Turbo rumors.