Cheap mass produced garbage.....All amps are mass produced nowadays. So they sell it at best buy?? They sell sony tv's at best buy does that make that garbage too?? You forget i ran soundstream all reference amps and had nothing but trouble with them. Heavy loads?? I had my 800a2 for 3 years already running a 3ohm load off 2 w'6 and slammed it everyday hasn't died yet. I had a friend running a ppi he killed it running a 1ohm load to it in a matter of months; garbage. The xtant is a nice amp i admit ive done installs with that amp. Nothing has the balls a rockford amp does IMO. http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/press..._IASCA_win.pdf Check that out how can a company with such a shitty product make world records?? I mean if the powersupplys are as shitty as you state, it wouldn't even be able to handle in competition. Many car audio guys only believe in their setups and the brands they been using or what they herd was "good". In your opinion rockfords are shit. IMO there' good he should decide i just gave um another idea.

 

Check your pm

 

Holy shit don't even get me started on sony tv's. They are horrible too. I installed high end home theaters for five years so don't try to tell me otherwise. Not trying to knock your opinion but I have never been impressed with rockford at all and basicly everything you are saying here would make a whole room full of people who do this stuff professionally start laughing.

 

Please tell me you are kidding about the MMATS stuff, right? Some of them can make insane power, but there is no way they are a top amp. Comparing them to Xtant, hah that's the funniest thing I've read all day.

Premier should be down with MTX. Kicker should be up with Rockford, and Phoenix Gold should be up with JL and Xtant. You should add Mcintosh to the top. There is a slew of brands that could be thrown out there, but these are the biggest names you see.

If you guys want a deal on Xtant, check their factory reconditioned units. The last years models sell for pretty cheap, the current models are about 40% off.

 

The only Rockfords that are cheap are the newest Punch series. They are utter shit, overrated in power, etc. The Power and Type-RF are still very well built amps. You shouldn't generalize a whole brand based on one line of cheap products that is really designed for a different market. This applies to the Sony TVs as well. For someone who supposedly has installed high-end home theaters for years, you should know this.

Nothing baka_t said would make me laugh. You do, however.

 

Adcom and mcintosh are the best but they cost $$ I suggested the rockford because it is in the same price range as the other ones he is looking at. Buying a used amp esp off ebay is taking a risk i wouldnt do it.

These are the top amps IMO Adcom, McIntosh, Xtanat, Alpine (high end series) And rockford power series. Anything other then that is rubbish. Btw i had a sony 27" tv for about 8 years now and the only thing i changed were the speakers sony tv's garbage hardly not.

 

sorry but sony doesnt make a good product anymore besides the playstation and that is sometimes arguable. Its not like i havent been to over 20 seminars and training sessions on HDTV and display technologies and heard each speaker totally blast on sony and their cheap ways. Not to mention that when i see them for myself its enough proof on its own.

And by the way i said people who know what they are doing would laugh so thats gonna count you out big guy.

 

how do you guys feel about audiobahn amps, i know its a small company still but they make some quality stuff...

 

You are just showing your ignorance. The PS2, the junk you see in Best Buy, etc. are Sony consumer products cheap junk. Of course they are going to be overpriced, cheaply made products. You are still talking about a whole brand name when you should be talking about a specific line of produces. Then again, if you think the PS2 is a good product, it just goes to show how your line of thinking is seriously skewed.

Your speakers at your "seminars" can blast whatever they want to, but unless they can prove something to me - they can get happy in their same pants. There is s good chance they are only dissing Sony because they work for a competitor. I don't care how many "seminars" you've been to on whatever. Great, HDTV "seminars" - my local cable company is hiring people - wanna job? They might even let you crimp connectors onto cables!

Oh and btw it doesn't count me out. If it counts out anyone, it's you. This is what I do, I design and intall professional a/v equip - and about 30% of that work is home theater related. I mostly deal with audio, (my boss is a video specialist) but I still know a great deal about it. If you'd like to actually talk specifics instead if kicking me under the table, go right ahead. Otherwise - you sir - like your "seminar" instuctors, can shut the fuck up.

 

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Hey Fellas How Bout them OPTIMUS brands! Straight from
Radio Shack . Those are the shit! i'm bout to cop me some of those!!

 

ok lemme say it again..EVERYTHING SONY MAKES SUCKS

The place i worked for sell sony too so dont give me that competitor shit. Thats wonderfull that you do what you do and i'm sure people are proud of you. but don't knock my knowledge when it comes to this shit because i know more than you will ever know when it comes to home theater. I ve been certified by over ten companys to install their shit and been a cedia certified installer for the past three years. You don't exactly just walk into this type of thing. there are only about 500 people in the country who have passed this course. Ive desigened and installed systems that have totalled well over $700,000 so don't play me off as some amature. It sounds to me like you know what you are doing yourself and i was hoping you or one of the other people on this site who know their stuff would jump in and help me out here but it seems like you are just an asshole and would rather start a fight about things so whatever. seems to me you arent that important at your company since you are in here all day being a post whore on everyone elses threads. been here since sept and you already have over 1000 posts? Rockford and sony blow goats and mabe rockfords more expensive stuff is decent, great i can get something else that kicks its ass for less money. I am not going to sit here and waste my time at work to argue with an asshole and i am sure wake will make the right choice anwway.

 

hey everyone, we are family here and just remember we need to stick together

 

i try to stick to those lines but its assholes like proaudio that have to start all the shit talking. I am just here to try and help people out.

 

yeah and all of you are great help

 

 

Well this is a opinionated forum and anyone should keep it that way. Proaudio22 is a knowledgeable guy and puts up a good argument but sometimes he gets carried away with the name calling but hes passionate about his audio what do you expect. To say that everything that sony makes sucks well i know about half the world will disagree with you. I don't like anything they put out as far as car audio or high end home projectors. As far as certifacation goes anyone can get certified if you go to the companies certified ceminar. I know i've gone to many. So you know what you are doing with home theater but are you certified to install any car audio products or are you a master installer at a car audio shop? Ive worked for 3 reputable shops here so i should know somewhat what im doing. Ive ran amps from soundstream to crossfire. Infact i use my reference 300 daily as a paper weight. IMO home theater or audio is possibly the easiest design and setup of any audio. The variable of the room its set in is constant it will never change. High end home theater is not hard to install at all. Ive done about 50+ home theater designs and instalations as well as having my own high end setup at my home. All it consits of is mounting a screen, projector, hooking up amps to speakers and hooking up sources. Im not dissing you, just pointing out certain things like you did about proaudio22. In any case, enough of the rambling we argue we bicker but in the end we are all one a-cl family. ONE LOVE!

 

Btw wake, get some pics up with the new amp and let us know how it sounds.

 

Well what kind of Sony stuff did you sell? Did you sell these? I’m quite certain they are not shit, having played on one once.


Certifications are like assholes, everybody’s got ‘em. I’ve got over ten as well, none of them really mean anything. The JBL Pro one is the only one I really need (otherwise they won’t sell you parts). I might look into CEDIA (or similar) if I did mostly home work – but I don’t. Most of the home work I deal with is dedicated theaters that will never have television viewed on their screens.

I didn’t play you off as an amature, you just sound/act like one. I’m not the one being an asshole here. You sir, are the only one fighting, and that’s b/c you simply didn’t like my opinion. I’m not being an asshole, I only responded with my opinion.

Here you go again cutting me down, when you don’t know anything about me. I am fortunate enough to have internet access at both places I work, and I’m free to play on it anytime I want. Unless I’m talking to a client or actually working out of the office, I don’t have much else that I have to do. So shoot me for having free time.

 

The setup is easy, it's the damn tuning that takes up all my time. Fock whoever invented DriveRacks and Smaart.

Rigging takes up lots of time too...damn whoever came up with all that too. Fawking safety ratios...who really needs that?

 

Eh...but hey, who really gives a fuck.

LCARUCA 97, baka_t, wake - ya'll all come over and we'll raise a glass to something lol

 

Pro what type of console is that live or recording ?? Fully automated??

 

yeah some of the companies will certify you if you just show up but most of the ones i got i had to take tests to pass. Installing home theaters isnt that easy at all especially when it all custom. Automation can be a real whore sometimes.Have you ever heard of Cedia, if you installed theaters i'm sure you have. I used to do cresstron touchpads, multi zone audio and video, structured wiring, satellite, etc you name it. It sure was fun as hell messing with all that gear. ive some of the stuff we used to install is Pioneer elite, marantz, VTL, adcom, rotel, b&w, paradigm, arial, runco, loewe, audioquest, transparent.......sony...yick, all we used sony for is sat receivers,ill give them that, they make decent sat receivers. btw i dont have a car stereo cert but who needs one. I dont enjoy doing it as a job and all they teach you is shit i already know and how to solder all connections. I do it all on the side or as favors for my buddies. Car audio is cakee if you already know your stuff. Just gotta knoiw what brands to stay away from.

I'm gonna get me a Dr. Crankenstien! shit yeah!!!!

 

Not that's funny.

 

dude thats SO doesnt count!!!!

 

You said everything

 

i just sold me one of these the other day

 

baka_t, it's the Oxford Console. Mostly for recording and broadcast, I'd say it'd be too slow to use for live work (concerts, etc).

Full dynamic automation, snapshot recall, surround panning, built in efx and dynamics, kitchen sink, toilet, etc etc etc lol.
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Professiona...sp=87&id=56147

Street price? $250-350K, depending on options.

 

Ah ill stick to SSL but the board sure does look cool i wonder how the preamps are. Would be a nice setup for a small studio. I wonder how compatible it is with protools its pretty much the industry standard already. Crazy how a hard drive replaced tape.

 

Can't go wrong with a 9000J.



I'll take a 2" Studer over a hard drive any day.

 

Ahh the A827 daymn those things are a bitch to align. The 9000J is a nice console the stuido i work at from time to time has a custom built 112 channel 9000J its the biggest in the world. Only thing that sucks is power supplys keep frying dude to custom design but SSL keeps replacing them for free dude to their faulty design. Only if acura would pay for our trannys every time we broke it. Only gripe with the SSL is the computer its unstable at times and is old technology...kainda like putting a tandy into a g4.

 

what are your thoughts on a JBL 600.1?

http://www.woofersetc.com/product.asp?0=310&1=311&3=98

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...&category=3291

 

hum...now i have been reading up on xtant subs and i heard they are pretty good. i am considering http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=18797 with 2 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=18803 let me know ur thoughts on these subs

 

Those eclipse subs are pretty bad i was impressed when i herd um...I'd still take some w6v2's over them tho.

 

I have 2 12" W3 V2's. I found an old school rockford fosgate amp brand new for 220 shipped. The model was 800a2. It was such a steal.

What do you guys think of this amp? I'm personally loving it. I heard the older RF shit is the best.

 

I had the same amp for about 2 years running 2 12w6ae's at 1.5 ohms. I just recently gave it to my uncle to put in his truck. I am changin my setup to all alpine i was impressed that their amps were CEA tested for their outputs. I also liked the feature of the remote control unit to monitor amp status(voltage, heat, overload) and the ability to change parametric eq settings and gains from inside the car. Since i have a full alpine video setup, i was figured id use the amps plus they'd look good in a custom trunk setup.