acura4ever

I just started a turbo projet for my 97 3.0 CL

i will run this turbo on stock parts if anything goes wong i will change my crank, cam, etc.

I just need some info

Should I change the fuel pump and my what?

thx

i will posted pics of my car after each part.

ib_jimmy

i wanna see this.

ricardo

Yeah you should change your fuel pump =x

Always Dirty

I didn't know there was a turbo kit for the 3.0s...unless this is a serious project, like the Manhattan Project or something. Anyway, I would think you'd need to do something about beefing up the clutch/transmission...

ricardo

I sure hope you're doing enough HW before getting into this project....

97Acura3.0CL

there has been some turbos made for the 3.0's but mostly it was on the av6.com board. i have seen the turbo kit in person down south in la and i talked to the guy and according to him that the turbo for the auto 3.0's you go through so many trannys its ridiculous. he spent i think 6g on the custom turbo kit and he only got like 9 psi and 54 hp out of it but blowing a tranny is not worth it. if you want to turbo it drop a h22 engine in it and then add your turbo, a little better considering its dohc and not sohc and the engine can better with stand the the power of the turbo, the 3.0's arent meant to be turbos, the trannys blow, ask people that have 3.0's in here and see how many have blew a tranny, you would be surprised, its a lot, and then you plan to add on a turbo, peace out tranny and hello smoke youll be smoking and sitting in one spot once you gun it cause your tranny will blow not unless you build or beef it up, send it to a company to beef up the tranny and that would help tremendously. you will need to do a lot of things to make the car run well with a turbo.

note: check out the www.v6accord.com site for people that have done the turbo on the 3.0's and post messages on there youll be able to better decide on what to do, but i would get a h22 and then add the turbo project, but the h22 is first. hope this helps

97Acura3.0CL

currently the forums are down on v6accord.com but thats a good place to ask the guy since he is a member there, but i cant remember the name he told me he went under

niedejb

So what have you actually done to "start" the project?

97Acura3.0CL

i thought he was just starting and he wanted to know what to do to prepare for thr turbo and what should he get, i said:

beefer tranny since the 3.0's suck
fuel pressure regulator (racing or aem)
high pressure pump
and maybe in the long run bore out the block to increase compression and get it polished as well to increase hp and tourque

bryanz3.0cl

some guys on accordv6.com have had theyre s/c'd accv6's puttin down around 250 whp for a while now and no tranny problems so far. if you ran 6psi on a turbo it shouldnt be too stressful compared to 9 psi like the guy in cali and i think l.i.accord was running something like 13 psi.

CLpower

your tranny "can" last if you are very nice to it

acura4ever

first i will have a custom turbo kit

A friend of mine will help me with this setup (he turbocharge is prelude )


and yeah this is a serious projet

I know the weak point of the CL : transmission. I read post and post of this weak point. But not only CL have problem with aut. trans. , Nissan too and many japanese car.

After all this setup, I will change my trans. with @ man. one maybe from a 3.2 TL type S. 6 speed.
That's will cost me too much for now.

I should have nothing more then 6 psi and 50 hp to wheels with a T4 turbo.

I don't want the turbo to spool to much @ low RPM so i will have lag in low RPM and will kick in @ 4000 RPM.
Anyway, I have a 3.0 not a 1.8l, so torque is there not need more.



this car have very not much room for a turbo kit, so the guy that will make my piping will have a ruf time to make it in 3 inch.

that's the price to pay for a V6 but I like it

i started to move the horn in from of the radiator and the hood locker to give me some place for the intercooler

this week end, i'll move the baterry to the trunk too


thx for your link

Always Dirty

Wow - I would say the battery in the trunk officially classifies this as a project. Sounds like a lot of work for 50HP, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Take some pics along the way...

truraysa

are you going to run a single bank turbo? or both? adn turboing a prelude is alot diff. then an 3.0 cl.also 3 in manafold diameter or down pipe?

acura4ever

only a single turbo

3 inch all the way (from the catalysor to the muffler)

niedejb

Why not have 3" all the way up to the turbo?

acura4ever

hum
that' s a good question.

what will be the big difference with this setup?

btw, where do you come from?

niedejb

From Missouri. Moved to Illinois then to Georgia then back to Illinois.

Wish I was "from" Florida.

Your custom setup will be restricted by anything less than 3" in front of a 3 inch cat back.

d98clturbo

check out south florida perfomence
www.sfp.net
i think they may have a turbo manifold for the j30a motor (v6)...if they dont they can custom make it

CLpower

you are also gonna have to do some time of engine management system to retard the timing and such.

PerFecto

any updates?

moforose3.0

If you want to run a turbo you are going to want to decrease the compression if anything in the engine. Running higher compression engine you wont be able to run as much boost. Running turbo (depending on boost) you will have to hook up your whole fuel system or you will run to lean and fry your engine also.

acura4ever

yeah i will buy a ignition kit with a safc controller to retard the timing for the next week

i wish i have much more money but i have too wait

thx for your help

this past week-end i put my battery in the trunk
this week-end i'll remove the horn and stuff in front of the radiator

i'll post image when i'll start this week-end for the intercooler.

i don't think anyone want me to post the setup for the deep cycle battery, it's very straightforward so...

see you
next week you'll have some pic

haiduc

where are you going to place to turbo?

if you want to fit the turbo on where the battery used to be it might be a good idea. that considered, the T4 compressor housing will most likely have clearance issues, so you might need to look into a T3/T4 hybrid.

just a thought.

blo2ck

just save your $$$ and buy some nitrous.

CLpower

what brand battery are you going w/? Trojan's own




also, have you given thought to the engine management? Maybe AEM or Hondata?

acura4ever

the turbo will be where the battery is

i will surrely have a t34 turbo

the difficult part is the intercooler
not much clearance in front of the radiator
the intercooler sould have some piping not on the left and right side of it but behind it

actually, that's cause me headache



my new battery will be a optima yellow

apex safv will be my fuel mangement
i have a deal on this unit so ...

i will should ask my friend for is digital camera for the pic !

my friend told me that i should raise the hood by 1/8 inch to let the air pass thru and cold more my engine bay.

anyone can enlight me on this info.

thx everyone for your advise

With this beautiful temparature, my car will have to be finish when the julep start in Quebec.

haiduc

you might want to look into fabricating a heat shield for the exhaust housing of the turbo. that way it would be less prone to possibly melting nearby components. wires etc....

moforose3.0

I think you are going to need more than that for the fuel management. Youre going to be buying a new engine if thats all you are using.

PerFecto

CLpower

the SAFV isn't gonna cut it as far as engine management. You are going to need a stand alone unit to replace yoru ECU. Otherwise your timing is gonna be fucked. I'd save your money and not even buy the SAFV because you'll be able to control fuel w/ the Engine management. It's gonna be costly you are looking at about 1500$ minimum to setup the engine management and it's gonna be crucial. Unless you don't want to mess w/ the timing and then you'd be pretty muched fucked.

niedejb

My AEM EMS was only $1150 shipped.

What I started with:

$250 for VAFC
$130 for FMU and calibration kit
$80 for the Missing Link
$200 for the Profec B

Even used I spent over half what it would cost to have done it right the first time.

6BaNgeR

Hello, I am a member of AV6.com. If you are really interested in this project, there is a member on our board who is selling his cutom turbo. He really needs the money to buy a new car, so he is selling it for very cheap. Sort of like e-bay (bidding). He said it can be anybody for $1800. As for the tranny problem, you will need to beef it up in order to handle the extra boost. I suggest getting a torque converter from Level Ten should help a bit. Or if you have the money, you can get a complete rebuilt tranny from Level Ten (which would solve all your problems).

moforose3.0

How much does the complete rebuild on the tranny cost at level 10?

CLpower

got this guys email address i'd like to talk to him.



Also, for anyone whose reading this, don't go w/ level 10. There are a million better and more reliable and cheaper tranny shops around.

CLpower

for a good tranny build up you are looking at about 1000$ depending on how in depth you go. The tranny in my hot rod is pretty solid and probally has a good 2K into it. Kevlar bands and real strong gears and such

6BaNgeR

moforose3.0

I don't know the actual price for it, but you can check out their website at www.levelten.com

ghander

I don't have his e-mail address, but you can check it out on our buy,sell,and trade thread. His member name is GATOR something. Also, do you know anyone that have try Level Ten? There was only one person from AV6 tried it on his turboed Av6 and he ran into a lot of problem. However, there isn't any proof that Level Ten was the cause of it because that member fried 2 of his pistons. Come on now, we all know that a tranny upgrade would not fry your pistons. His car even had ECU problem as well. Therefore, his engine blown. I can't really say Level Ten is bad or good, but there just isn't enough evidence to prove that Level Ten is bad. But do you have any experience with it, or know anything that did?


-JohN

CLpower

i've known a few people personally that have tried them. And the whole supra community has had TONS of problems w/ them. A buddy of mine had them do some work to his tranny and later found out they basically just replaced everything w/ stock parts.

acura4ever

sorry for my absence, too much thing to do

first, i'm now in apartment
second, i'll have to transfer furniture from my parent's house to my apartment this week-end


less time to the turbo

this is the second week-end here in quebec that the weather is bad so I have to wait to install my setup and that's suck

My old battery is remove and a new optima is install in the trunk with all the wiring for my amplifiers

good is finish

the good :
i received my turbo a T4 with dual exhaust
i received my msd ignition

i have now all my things to get up this projet


thx all for your post
you help me a lot

i miss one info : i want to have the size of the injector!!!

will stock injector will be ok or i must have absoluetly new one?
does injector from other model will fit?
i think of 3.2 cl or 3.5 tl type s!!!

thx @ lot

ricardo

you can get the cl-s to fit in pretty easily.. as far as if you even need it... or if it will suffice if you.. I really don't know.