pebe

Saw this in this months issue of Sport Compact Car. http://www.accordperformance.com/com...d-package.html

was wondering if it would be worth the 1500 bucks. It claims to add up to 45 wheel hp and is direct bolt on for all accord 4cyl engines, even have them for the 6 cyl. SInce this is a direct bolt on, anyone with mechanic experience should be able to put it on right? sounds like a good idea to extract some power out of the F22. any thoughts?

sumdumguy

I was talking to my mechanic about it before. according to him unless your upin'
the fuel and spark as well you will see minimal gains. not as much as 45hp.
don't think 10-15 hp is worth that. if you already have an ignition and bigger injectors it might be beneficial. but I don't. not yet

Randol

I am glad to see more serious performance stuff poping up. This is good and will help any car perform better. It is true that you need more fuel and more fire because you will have better air flow. The more stuff like this that is available the better it is for our cars. when I had my integra it was about 800-100 so 1500 might be high but I would get it if I could afford to do everthing right.

pebe

so besides doing the swap, what else would i need? it says it should run like normal, just more power. would i need to do anything else? i'm just looking into this in case i leep the car and want to get more power out of it since i already have cai, header, and bigger spark wires and the gains were minimal at best. i figure if i can at least make the power of the j30, but out of the 4 banger, thats gotta be good. i can live with my f22 making 200 hp and 195 lb-ft torque.

sumdumguy

but I don't think it's a swap. as far as I knew you took your head to
a machine shop and they "port and polished" it. unless your having one done
then swapping yours out.

Hobo

sometimes they will send you a P&P'ed head with a core charge

pebe

yeah, thats what this is. its a complete head with cams and intake manifold. its a complete bolt on. thats the only reason why i would even think about it because i dont think paying for engine work on this engine would be worth it. still not sure if 1500 bucks is worth it either since i dont race, but the extra power would be nice to have.

sumdumguy

Oh shit!! is that the Gude head package. I was checkin that out a few months ago.
I was turned off by the price which was $2500. that's a little cheaper tho'

pebe

i think thats it. did u even look at the fu#king link dude?? 1500 bucks is still alot of money though. wanna be the guinea pig???

sumdumguy

I've been wanting to since I got my car. just couldn't get up to the price I thought it was.
1500 is a G off what I thought so..........

sumdumguy

No I didn't actually

pebe

sumdumguy

well at least the price went down. now I can consider more.

pebe

ok, when u get it, let me know how it turns out so i can get it after u. just to make sure your engine dont blow up or nuthin like that....

ghost_masterCL

speaking of polished shit. what about that intake manifold for both the 2.2 AND the 3.0. Doesn't that give some ok gains for NA engines? Sprayed or boosted would give even more.

PLUS the polished intake manifold is only like $500 and it weighs less than the stock one...

but why does it say it's only for 97-98 3.0's? 99 intake mani is exactly the same right?

sumdumguy

yeah thanks

CLover210

On a thread that I read on here some people were talking about how bad Gude performance parts were and to never buy anything from them..........id look around first and try and find some people that have this like on v6performance.net or something. They could be wrong though, but do some more research before you spend that kind of money.

sumdumguy

Oh definately...that's my baby we're dealin' with

proaudio22

One of the second gen guys had a full port and polish done and lost like 20whp. Do a search. Apparently our intake system uses a specific path to create a certain air flow. The port and polish disturbs this. On a N/A Honda it's pointless. On a F/I motor it can help - but it's cheaper to just up the boost a bit and say fsck the $1500 for a couple HP.

Now, lets consider that it did work with lots of extra mods (injectors and fuel pump, ignition, etc - bout $2K) plus the $1500 is $3500. $3500 for 50hp (crank too) sucks a fat one.

pebe

yeah, i guess. when u see things that say direct bolt on, you dont really think about all the extras u may need. i dont see how it would lose hp though, i would think the claimed 45hp that they have is a little inflated at best. it is a lot of money, and most people will not buy it unless they are serious about tuning their engine and theyve already done everything else that can be bolted on. i wish someone with a first gen had it done so we can get an opinion. i honestly would only do it if i had the money lying around and nothing else to do, but that aint happening any time soon.

sumdumguy

proaudio22

You can get a turbo kit for the same price. Screw all this piddley shit.

But, do you want to spend this kind of money on this car?

sumdumguy

that's another thing I've been fighting with

pebe

well if u do the turbo on the 2.X, u might as well do this kit also, right? i mean if youre gonna do it, go all out.

proaudio22

Not really, it's cheaper to just up the boost a bit than dick with all this little shit like port/polish. On a large V8, yes. On a lil I4, there is so much air being jammed in there it could care less.

The kit should come with all the other upgrades you need. The FMAX kit uses extra injectors.

pebe

so the port and polish, the upgraded cam(s) and the intake manifold wouldnt be necessary if you were gonna boost the 2.x?

sumdumguy

if your boostin ...I think you build the bottum end

lnsyone

might as well build the head as well for better results.

sumdumguy

did you? you got the H22 tho right?

Anhedonia

So, old ass thread revival, but i was thinking about mods and this upcoming summer, and this was the closest thing to a port and polish thread i could find.

makes me wonder, anyone port and polished there head? what kinda gains we looking at with maybe some cam, fuel and ignition work? would it be worth the money?

And dont just tell me to swap my shit..

f22vtec

link doesn't work

Gnate

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If you're willing to spend the money, i'd say it's worth it, especially if you're planning on boosting. It leads to a much freer flowing head.

I want to do it, but it really is a lot of money, if you're talking about getting aport and polish and cams, you are definitely looking to spend a total close enough to $2,000, is it worth it to you? if it were as the second post suggested, 15 hp? (which is highly unlikely , that seems way too low.) that would be $100 per horse power gained. Fuck that.)

But really, i'm sure you definitely get considerably more than 15hp for this kind of stuff.

Gnate

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Its a bummer insyone doesn't hang around here anymore. Or blenz for that matter, all of the turbo guys went

mixxxwell

a port and polish head if done by someone who knows what they are doing will net you some gains with out any other mods. add cams, TB and a a nice header and you will see some power on the DYNO.... if you decide on sending your head out please look into some of these people

steve@cccylinderheads.com
TOM@portflow
JOE@alaniz
BRAD@RLZ
LARRY@endyn

these people come highly recommended ....... i went with steve@cccylinderheads.com hes local and very knowledgable and has execllent customer service.... he also go my H22 head to flow 333.6@.500lift @28" if you need some help or headwork done i get very good pricing fromt steve

incredulous1

we should become the new turbo guys

DaInFaMMuS1

exactly how much is very good pricing?

Anhedonia

and what exactly is local?

and i know the link doesnt work lol

Blazin Si

For east coast people, I recommend RLZ Engineering. Brad has always answered my emails and phone calls.

Alaniz Technologies in California is where I had my B18 head ported and polished. This was before I heard of RLZ and I would no longer recommend them.

Endyn is supposed to be really good, but I've never had any luck getting a hold of them.

97BlackAckCL

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and runnerx86, all OG's. Nice to see I"m not the only one researching P&P options

Anhedonia

yeah, i figured with a 10 year old motor, regardless of the low mileage, ill go with an NA build. i dont want anything more then 250-275 hp and id like a tq curve that is actually usable in every day driving. hence why i wish someone made an S/C for the 2.3