suprachica79

an f23 turbo mani will not bolt on to a f22 right?

Kamikazee

I just wanted to post since no one else did.. but I have NO IDEA!

GL

Blenz

Ya, you're right. It won't fit

acuratl_2nr

it won't fit, I had tried an accord ex-r (f22) header on my f23 and it didn't fit. The two middle exhaust ports are closer together on the f23 and they are evenly spaced out on the f22

Kamikazee

You getting turbo?

Blenz

The ports on the F22b in the 97 CL are not evenly spaced out, the middle ports are close together just like the F23 but they are different enough that it won't fit. Finding a good F22b turbo manifold is a bitch.

97BlackAckCL

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In like 5 years she might

mclarenf3387

Thats cold.

Kamikazee

Ouch

97BlackAckCL

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It was a joke obviously, but seriously she starts these threads about turbo mani's and she's not in the market for a turbo right now Everything's next year, or the year after

But still, as stated the 2.3 won't fit 2.2 cuz the ports are different

suprachica79

haha, I've actually already started buying my turbo stuff lol, and there was a good deal on a turbo mani so I was asking, I was praying maybe it would but I was pretty sure it wouldnt fit. Just checking.

Kamikazee

On the noob guide it says that the cam off the 3.2 Type-S fits in our cars.. does this make a significant difference.. I didnt search, thought Id get a quick response.

arstraub

Hey hey, be nice; a girl can dream can't she? There's nothing wrong with asking questions ESPECIALLY if you're a girl, that way the "car guys" can't talk to her like she's an idiot because she's a girl. Props for wanting to learn suprachica97.

97BlackAckCL

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I have never talked down to her, and encourage her to learn. Just sometimes the dreams/plans get a bit much, but I'm glad to hear that she's actually acquiring parts.

97BlackAckCL

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It fits, but has to be machined to fit our distributor. Search and you'll find the answer

Kamikazee

Yeah sorry for thread jacking.
97BlackAckCL is consistently supportive of people learning.

Good job Superchicka on the progression towards boost!

97BlackAckCL

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suprachica79

haha, you have a funny way of showing it sometimes blackack

Thx arstraub! I am always about learning and can't wait to have this car up and running and prove some people wrong on here lol. I'll say this tho, you guys are alot nicer than the people on homemadeturbo.com bunch of cheap assholes on there.

civic_slayer

on that thread over in homemadeturbo you said you want to make 300hp on a stock engine there is no way its gonna blow ya gotta build it for that, seeing how are engines only make 145 right now, but best of luck to ya

732xghost

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yeaaaa girl power!!!

suprachica79

haha, bigdaddyvtec made 307whp on a stock block with no problems for over 25000 miles and still going strong. I will be getting head studs but thats pretty much all I need. And if the motor blows, $400 can get you another motor so I'm not terribly worried.

732xghost

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yea you can buy my F23A1 when and if you blow your shit up.

97BlackAckCL

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300 on a stock motor huh? You're not sleeving or getting higher compression pistons or anything? Um, what he said best of luck to ya

VXCL

only thing going for you is that the f22b1 is pretty low compression ratio for boost, but to make 300hp at the crank is going to need alot of boost 14-15lbs or a large turbo and lower boost. both those things are massive stress for an old unbuilt f22b. Are you sure that guy you say making all that power doesnt run 6-8lbs daily and only turns up the boost on the dyno or at the track? no way can i see a old f22b running that kind of boost and if i remember right its and aluminum block.

When you do blow your motor I would search for an h23 and build that up. no vtec and low compression.

I'm running 17-18lbs of boost on a farly small turbo to make over 300/330 at the crank and thats on a 2.5!
peace

97BlackAckCL

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Yep that about sums it up mike

civic_slayer

5-speed

I always thought it was iron

suprachica79

It's already sleeved... I wouldn't run that high of boost all the time, probably just when I went to the races and such. The guy I'm talking about actually ran 17psi for a few months constantly.

VXCL

Just noticed you said 307 whp. I think it was generally accepted that a f22 or f23 could run about 7-9 psi daily on stock internals back when most had 30-40k on them. I don't care what sized turbo you get, to more then double your engine's ouput is going to take much more then that. It would take close to 20 psi on a moderate sized turbo to accomplish that goal. BOOOOOOM!

All the dynos of turbo'd f2.x CL's on stock internals that I've seen have been in the 250-270whp range and that was at about 12-14 psi. And most stated they generally only run about 8-9psi daily to be safe.

Keep in mind all dynos are different and they are a tuning tool. You cannot compare #'s unless its the same day, same dyno, same conditions, etc. I've seen dynos where a stock legacy gt put down over 230/240! If I that was indeed accurate then the LGT is seriously underrated or subaru lied and its a FWD not AWD

Good luck and best wishes, but if you are serious about making power, being reliable, and costing less in the long run you have two options:

1. new car
OR
2. find a project powertrain (engine and tranny) and have them built to your needs. Then swap the engine and call it a day. You will also need tires, a suspension, and brakes to handle that kind of power...$$$$$...we're talking thousands now...could be a nice down payment on a new car that has all this already.

peace

VXCL

smart

again smart

It is possible his f2.x is a factory freak. There is one lgt person that managed to run a 12.9 1/4 when the average is 13.7-14.2. It happens... It's actually a huge controversy over at the lgt forums becuase we all swear he had to spray. That's way too fast for a car that it supposed to be rated at 250/250. Thats faster then an STI.

Blenz

I think it's great how people always cut down and underestimate the capabilities of the F22b1. It's a huge reason why I'm going to turbo mine and motivates me to finish my project.
The guy that suprachica is referring to no longer runs his turbo set-up in the F22b1, he sold the set-up to me and is putting a 600whp turbo H22 into his accord. His first dyno was at 10psi, which he put down 255 WHP and 260 TQ. He then got some bigger injectors and retuned the motor for 15psi, which put down 305 WHP and 307 TQ. This wasn't a track car either, it was a daily driver and he beat the shit out of it too. The turbo is a T3/T04e 57 trim with a stage 3 wheel in a .48 turbine housing. The motor was stock other than a set of APR head studs and he never blew his motor, he was driving it until the day I bought the set-up.
VXCL, I respect everything you did with your CL but I have to say that I'm "serious about making power, being reliable, and costing less in the long run" and think both of your options are bad choices.

suprachica79

thank you blenz. Posibilities with the f22b are endless it seems. The bottom end seems like it was made for boost. And like I said, I won't be running 15psi constantly, and the car won't see that many miles, I think this set-up is doable and still relatively safe for the car.

Kamikazee

Get it Done CHICKA!

97BlackAckCL

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I was wondering whatever happened to your turbo project, you were one of the first people I thought of when chica started talking about turbo'ing the f22. I think mileage is a big teller though, because the older and more beat on your car is, the more likely a seal or gasket is to blow. From everything I have read about turbo'ing the f22 it seems def likely that you could push 10-15 psi at least for a while, I personally wouldn't keep the peace of mind or be able to sleep at night, waiting for my stock internals to blow, but that's me I worry about shit like that. I hope Blenz and SupraChica can make this happen, I'd love to see some turbo CL's, just know that I pray for your internals.

civic_slayer

Yeah dont get me wrong I am all for another turbo cl, I have had enough with people saying cl's are slow. I plan on eventually turboing mine too but I was gonna build the engine up first for the peace of mind. good luck and keep us updated on progress

Blenz

My project isn't moving very fast right now because I'm in school and the CL is back home in a different city with no insurance. With any luck I'll be boosted by May when I get some paychecks to pay for exhaust piping, a new clutch, and dyno tuning.
As for my motor, it has just over 80k miles on it and I only plan on boosting about 8psi to try and keep it reliable. As for the internals, I feel that it's a waste of money to get custom pistons and a set of rods for this motor (which would be all that you'd need since the stock sleeves are cast iron). The rods and pistons would probably end up costing 4 times as much as getting another f22 and swaping it in.
I've done ton of research on boosting this motor and I feel confident that I'll be happy with the results when it's finished.

Kamikazee

May is not too far.. Hope it turns out well.

VXCL

I've been Playing Devil's advocate here. 4 yrs ago I was all for doing the same things you guys speak of. I had everything needed to handle a powertrain upgrade- brakes, wheels, tires, suspension, etc. I was about to do a h22/h23 frankenstien and tranny swap and then it hit me...10k for the car, 2k for the rims, and 4-5k for sweet powertrain...shit thats close to 17k for a new car.

To do just the turbo upgrades you will need alot of parts
turbo, intercooler, piping, injectors, fuel pump, bov, exhaust parts, intake, etc

Thats alot of $$$$$ guys. Not to mention dynos and professional tunes cost $$$$.

Again those the dyno numbers dont matter when it comes to your car. Put the same car on 3 diff dynos and watch how low or high the numbers go. Dynos are tuning tools. Obviously he was making good power, but don't get these numbers stuck in your head. A better idea to see how his setup was performing was to dyno his car b4 the turbo under the same conditions- temp, hum, etc.

You take 20 off each of those numbers and he's running right on par with the other FI f22b1 dynos i've seen, actually a little better due to his turbo. Only difference is he had no problems. I would also worry about your axles becuase lets say you are making 300whp thats about 350ish crank!!! the axles were definitely not made to handle that. All it takes is some good rubber or a sticky road surface on a hard launch and SNAP!

Are you guys going planning on tranny upgrades as well? LSD? 300/300 on a fwd car is going to equal some serious traction issus. Ever drive a new 07 tls? thing torque steers like a mother! i'm pretty sure the f22b1 doesn't have equal length half shafts.

I wish the few who have actually turbo'd their cl would come in here and give advice. If you are interpeting my posts as bashing you for trying then you need to stop being defensive and see I am trying to get you to think about the big idea here. Like i said i'm all for you modding the cl. its a unique car and i'm glad people still try to rep it right. just trying to help you make sure you really have that dedication and know what you're gettin into.

Releazie that now most 1st gen cl owners are young and wasting this kind of money on thier car is not a good idea, especially those in school still. They would be much better off saving it for the next one, but most never stop and think about that. There are some bad ass cars coming out in the next couple years, and some are from HONDA!

Bottom line is
ANY CAR CAN BE MADE FAST WITH $$$$$$
Is it possible to run 12-15 psi on a f22 or f23 ? yes
Is it a good idea on stock internals? no
I don't think any professional shop would disagree

97BlackAckCL

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s all around

Kamikazee

I agree with all of it. I think that people spend money on their car because they have the car now, and buying pieces here and there is easier than saving money for a new car.. and people are loyal to their cars.

I spend 7k on my Integra and over time it more rewarding to wrench and see the difference in the things I added. I know there are better cars I could have bought.. I dunno, it might be an attachment issue.