ayougo

Would it be possible to take a H23a ( dohc non vtec ) longblock and swap into the cl without too many complications ? The motor is inexpensive, produces great hp and has alot of aftermarket ( cams, intake man, etc ) the motor produces a healthy 160 hp and 157 foot pounds. much more than i can squeese from my f22

froggystyle14

yes you can put it in but as this forum will suggest, dont wast your time. our stock motor is 150hp 150 tq or some where in there but i would swap for that little of gains. go with the h22 spend the money and if you do some research you will find that all who do have the h22 love it because it is 50 more horse.. H22 all the way

froggystyle14

and by the way, i walk all over the prelude with the h23 in it. that aint got shit. and i have the f22 with some minor work

DivineCL

^ Not off the line you won't.

froggystyle14

that may be true but in an 1/8 and 1/4 mile no prob been there done it. now he was stock too..

lnsyone

There are people using the f23 block with an h22 head. With that, you'll have slightly more stroke compared to an h23 block. Thus this hybrid being a torque monster.

froggystyle14

that is true.. but you wanna make sure that you have a vtec block 2.2/2.3 so you wont have to drill and tap a oild line. And in doin this beast, you will need to use the h22 water pump, pulleys and a select few other items. if any one is has questions about this, pm me i have found a place that tells you exactly how to do it and what you need and i think it is on my computer some where

lnsyone

Yep, it's definitely another option when considering a swap other than the h22.

ayougo

well, my f22 has 145 horse so if i went with a h23 id be about 15 horse gain stock, with that motor though, headers, intake exhuast and cams would bring her up to a healthy level for under a grand ( i can get the longblock extermely cheap ) is that still not worth it ?

chris80i

F23 with h22 head?
CAN THIS BE REALLY DONE???? WILL THE CAR RUN Reliable ? What is the gains with a f23 blck and h22/23 head? How much do you think this hybride motor will cost us CLERS? has any CL done it yet?

froggystyle14

yes the f23/h22 motor has been built and it does run. the gains would be a shorter stroke than the h22 block soyou are talking quicker revs, i am thinking that it would be probably the same horse more torqu (correct if wrong) so if you got light weight pulleys, light weight flywheel, and upgraded the head with new dual valve springs retainers and clips, then you can get the motor to rev quickly to about 8500/9k rpms. of course with the right ecu

LCARUCA 97

have fun. its a huge pain in the ass. Why is everyone tryin to reinvent the wheel. get the damn h22 and be done with it. there is a reason is the most popular swap. its a direct bolt in, TONS of parts, great all around motor. just go over to honda-tech.com. read all the horror stories about the frankenstien (h23/h22/f22) swaps.

froggystyle14

the f22/h22 is a direct sway and you would even have to use the prelude motor mounts. you could use the f22 motor mounts and then go with h22 water pump pulleys and so on. if you had the time and the know-how, this frankenstien would would make the h22 people start talkin

ayougo

what about the h23 though. The motor is on hand. Will it be faster than my modified 2.2 assuming i have the same bolt ons and engine work done on it.

froggystyle14

that is obivious.. if it comes with 15 more horse and torque than that chances are good for being faster.

chris80i

WOW... ICIC MITE BE WORTH THE SWAP EH ? HAHA YOU CAN U STILL KEEP YOUR ENGINE VIN NUMBER .... BUT YET HYBRIDE eh?

froggystyle14

i would never put a h23 NON-VTEC motor into my car..never. i would say my money and time and spend it on the h22 or the f22/h22 frankenstien motor. fuck the h23

chris80i

f22/h22 frankenstien Motor. Sounds kooo to do i wanna see the swap pictures/directions/dyno's of the CL doing it....

lnsyone

I haven't heard of a CL doing that swap, but a few people on honda-tech had done it.

ayougo

fuck it then, ill save for another couple months ( dammit ) and buy a stinkin H22 for 2gs, plus another 500 for misc shit that will go wrong or end up needing plus the down time ( rent a car ) just thought the h23 would be a cheap and powerful alternative to spending 2500 bones

jandj2204

if u just need the motor let me know..i hav a local connect i can get em for 1200
But engine trans and ecu=2g's

d98clturbo

the h23 is an awesome motor...dont be fooled by all the vtec HYPE...get the h23 and throw some cams in that bad boy...you WILL walk h22 like its no-ones business...also the h23 is ALOT better off the line..(low end torque) h22 doesnt make torque until 6k rpms...


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i am selling my h22 for $800..(need Pistons replaced)

baka_t

I agree that the h23 would be an option. Also they are closed deck, stonger than the open deck 97+ h22's. Get an obdII-I jumper harness, and an obdI ecu, and call it a day. If you wanted, you could always go vtec later, so I would pick up the h23 if you can get it for cheap.

thirdrail-1

TELL ME TELL ME!!!!!!!
I am performing a swap soon, and can use all the input possible!

thirdrail-1

Shoot me an email!!!!! How many miles does your engine have on it?
thirdrail-1@excite.com

d98clturbo

the motor has about 28xxx miles on it..
remember it needs pistons so it would be the time to put either forged low compression pistons for turbo or high compression for all motor

azian21485

both h23 and h22 are good motors..depends what you're planning on doing and what your goals are...if you're money restricted the cash you save on the h23 can be used for parts...although depending where you live a full h22 swap could be had for about 1500

if you do plan on boosting in the future without touching the internals, imo the h23 will be by far the better choice.. but even so you already have the f23 in there if you felt like boosting