jamolie

worth it in the sense of money ($3000+), time, effort, reliability, gains, resale, etc?

18anatak

I thought about this long and hard, and while i have a lot of respect for the people that have done it, i've come to the conclusion that its not worth it. I'd rather save up for my next car, ones that fast from the factory, that i can make even faster.

red99cl2.3

katana is absolutly right, i dont care how much of a fanatic you are about cars and supping them up YOU WILL HIT A WALL!!! when u just cant do anything else to your car performance wise. and after you've spent all that money, i mean i respect that but if you look at it from an economic point of view its better to save up for a fast STOCK car, but for many of us its not the case i mean i would love nothing more than to turbo my car and drop a H22 and blow out people who think my shit is slow. but i just cant afford that. and i know i contradict myself but shit i just would love to buy a ferrari but i cant!!!!! but that dont mean i;m gonna go drop alll my loot into my CL either.

LCARUCA 97

I have done the swap and no i dont have any pictures yet, i am more worried about getting a new tranny since the one steve sent me sucks ass. But anyway. It was worth every penny to me. I love my cl and its a one of a kind car now. I am totally impressed with its performance and thats just with an un-tuned stock jdm h22a. I cant friggin wait till everything is all said done. I'm not trying to turn it onto a race car. I just wanted some decent power but without finding a new car. Looks like I got my wish. Allthough I need to get me a new tranny!!!

JLai

mid 14 second 1/4 mile is still slow. Why bother?

dennis

It all depends on the person modding. Do they really want to be original. Or do they really care about speed? If they just care about speeding then get a used Supra for 15K. Being original cost a lot. But you get the satisfaction of seeing someone's face go "What the fuck, that's tight". I think it's a waste of money because the resale value sucks ass and I'm not keeping my car for that long. Why spend 5 g's on an engine when I could put that down on a new car? If I was keeping my car for a long time and passing it down to my kids, I'd drop an H22.

SooDARK

better than high 15's!
and thats just a bolt on h22. Boost and you can be 13's. possibly 12's!

I think it's really really worth it if you can do the swap yourself.

Right now as I save my money to make my car fast, i have 2 main thoughts.
1. JDM H22 swap.
2. Boost F23 with drag turbo kit.

I think about this every day, and the reason I am even still thinking about keeping the f23 is this. I know I'll love the h22 for a while, but eventualy I will want boost no matter what. H22's aren't known to take as much boost/abuse as F23's, so I figure I might just boost the f23 and if it blows, fuck it, then I'll buy another f23 for about $500! You can get them so much cheaper, that it's almost not even worth building the internals. If something goes wrong, just get a new one and bolt that turbo kit right back on.

Only downfall to this plan is that in the longrun H22's have WAY more potential. Anyway, i still haven't made mt "final" decision, that will come in a few months once I have 3-4G's in the bank and I'm ready to buy either the swap or the turbo kit.

lnsyone

honestly, i dont give a fuck what people think. if some people think that an h22 swap is a waste of $, then it is, to them, boo fucking hoo. who cares what people think. if you want to build your car a certain way, build it however the fuck you want it. fuck what people think about your car. a real tuner builds his/her car for him/herself. there is nothing wrong with that. i will leave it as that. i have homework to do haha peace

i am getting an h22 swap, and i plan on having one of the fastest and cleanest first gen evaaaarrrr!!

AcUrALiTy

i think its worth it, definetly a must for me, i want to be different and unique from all the other CL's, not a lot in hawaii run h22's, plus i need power!

vtecpowersumo

its worth it

Mark Davison

Yea, baby! Stab that badboy in! I love it!

Duece

yeauppppp its gonna be well worth it when i get my car back in a week im getting my h22 swapped going all motor wit cham shafts,cams headers,cai,vtec control,chipped ecu, and sending head out for full crower head ill post pics as soon as its done

Leon

I agree, and yes it is worth it, motor $950 and install $450, do the math!

CLpower

it's all up to the beholder. Plus those prices are out of whack, alot of us can do it A LOT cheaper

-=DjPharmacy=-

What? 950 and 450 for the install? I'm confused - the best price that I have found is 1800 for a motor tranny computer and axels with all the wires cut at the firewall?? Where is the place at that you get your motors from? Talking about that - whats the best price that nyone has seen for this swap - total dollar amount?

Leon

The place I got it from is called All Japanese in Miami!

CLpower

move to southern cali, i've picked up h22a's for friends for less then a G numerous times. Just have to be at the right place at the right time. What's gonna be hard is finding a newer motor cheap 98+. Because most states require you to drop in a motor from the same year or newer then your car.

DIO 87 Prelude

Who can get an h22 to indiana for around a G?

cor

what is the best price someone has done this intall for?

Mark Davison

$150 I paid, for my friends help, his garage and some airtools. Kicked ass on it in one weekend.

SooDARK

from what i've been told you don't need new axels.

Leon

hey mark, what computer are you using, is it chipped, and when is your vtec and redline?

Mark Davison

Well , my H22 is run OBD1 w/jumper harness and P28 ecu. The progam I have in it right now has 5000/Vtec and 7900/rev. limiter. My motor came with a single butterfly intake manifold, thats why I can run a P28. You cannot run a P28 on a normal H22's as they have a duel butterfly manifold. P28's will not recognize the second set of butterfly's on your manifold. If you dont want to run the P13 ecu that is for OBD1 H22's you can run a P72 gsr Integra ecu. Gsr Itegra's run a duel butterfly manifold also. I've heard P72 ecu's have better programability. I think stock P13's run 5500 on Vtec. I would put your at 52-5300. I little bit lower than stock but still not enough to fall out of Vtec. when your racing. As far as rev. limiter, I wouldnt go over 8500rpm's w/a stock H22. you really dont need any more than that anyways. H22's only build horsepower to a certain rpm and 8500 is a few hundred over that. I'm getting an AEM fully programable ecu in a week or so. No matter what P28 program I run, it still wont recognize the idle air sensor on the manifold. So I have an idle hunt. I cant use my stock ecu because it has a key code on it. I could buy a JDM type-S ecu but OBD2 ecu's arent programable for shit. This AEM ecu will solve all my problems and when I get it I'm having it dyno as they program it(this place in Cali. XSengineering). I should pull at least 15 more hp's out of my motor with this ecu. I cant wait!

ApocalypseCL

english please for us less educated people. LOL

Mark Davison

Sorry dudes, It would take a year to explain all this technical shit.

clracer97

i agree with all you ppl who say that its worth it!! everyone has different goals with their cars and whats important is the owners satisfaction in the time and effort and most of all $$ that they've put into their cars! in my opinion if your wanna do it dont let anyone stop you!!

Leon

AGREE!!!

jo0p-CL

do what fuckin makes you happy... the car is too heavy to me personally to make it faster... if you want a really fast car then why have a CL? if i had to money to spend at my leisure, i would drop something or other in there.. to each his own.

-shawn

DIO 87 Prelude

So to all those that have completed this swap. What is the consensus on the ECU. Just do a rewire of a stock obd2 ecu or convert to obd1. I have the wiring diagrams...just figuring out the rest of this.

Mark Davison

It depends on if you get an OBD1 or OBD2 motor. If you buy an OBD1 H22 like most people. You can only use a P13(which is the stock ecu for 93-95 H22's), or you can use a P72 from a GSR Integra. Dont fuck with any other ecu unless you put another type of intake manifold on your motor. You will need a jumper harness if you go with an OBD1 motor. Our cars are OBD2 so you will need a 96-97 OBD2 to OBD1 jumper harness.
Now if you just happen to get an OBD2 H22, there are actually two types of OBD2 setups. 96-97 OBD2 vehicles have one style of plugs on the harness(where the harness plugs into the ecu) and 98-2001 are a little different. 98-2001 are for the most part considerd OBD2b and the plugs that go into the ecu are a bit different. Also 98-2001 Hondas all have keycodes in the ecu. The only 98-2001 ecu's that dont have keycodes are the JDM ecu's. My type-R H22 is the last year of H22's. It came out of a Euro spec. type-R Accord. European market Hondas also have keycode ecu's so I am not fortunate enough to be able to use my stock ecu. As far as programability, OBD2 ecu's arent worth shit. Their not programable. OBD1 P13 and P72 ecu's are very programable. Theres all kinds of chips and systems to upgrade these. Hope this eases some confusion.

DIO 87 Prelude

Okay I just re-read this 3-4 times...Let me make sure i am on the same page.

Electronics Aspect of swap

If you get an obd1 H22 you must use an h22 obd1 ECU and the Jumper harness (locashracing.com harness?) to connect the CL harness to the H22 ECU. Using the h22 ecu, would that eliminate any BS like the climate control, or are we talking plug and drive.

If you get obd2 H22 you can use the H22 wiring harness and CL ECU.

If you get obd2b you pretty much have to splice and make your own, and there is keycodes. (this option is the least likely)


As for physical aspects of swap.

I had once heard rumors that you need diff PS pump and this and that. I received an email the other day from a swapped CL/h22 owner that stated just modify the passenger mount.

hey mark, i am going to PM you to get any last words of wisdom/advice as you seem to be the most knowledgable on the swap.