Hey all, this is my first time posting here, as I just bought a 97 2.2 cl, it was kept it very nice shape, and I was looking to make a sleeper out of it.


Could anyone recommend a good turbo system for a 97 2.2, and explain the costs for buying and installing it? Also, if I were to get the turbo, would I need to buy anything else in terms of support for the car? I heard some people recommend setting up the suspension in addition, but i'm not too sure.

p.s. I know I would be able to notice the difference with the turbo, but how significant would the effects be on my 2.2 cl? Roughly how much more horsepower would I be gaining?


Sorry if I sound like I've never done this before.... It's because I haven't.

 

This'll be a fun thread, most turbo kits, depending on how much boost you're pushing, you'll get between 30-50 hp. You'll def notice that your car has more pickup, there will also be turbo lag. I wouldn't recommend JUST installing a turbo without building your internals. Also, suspension is a MUST if you're going turbo, you'll hate driving it on stock suspension Also prepare to drop an assload of money, to get it fabricated, tuned, etc.

 

Wow, where to begin...

First off, welcome to the family! The guys on here are full of knowledge and it would do you some good to jsut search different topics on here for a few hours and read up on the car and get familiar with it.

With the turbo, I am also turboing my 2.2, and you need to be much more specific with what kind of power you want out of the car. The power is endless, with the right upgrades to your engine. The f22b1 engine that you have can make close to 300whp with the right turbo with only minor upgrades to the engine, such as head studs so you don't get head lifting issues at higher psi.

Before I get into it any further, I need to know how much you can spend on this, if you want to buy brand new parts or used, then I can tell you what power goals you should be looking into and what parts would work. I need more specifics.

Blackack - I'm going to disagree with you tho, your not just going to get 30-50hp, you can get around 150whp with the right set-up on a mostly stock block, 30-50 is a joke, maybe 30-50 on 5psi lol

 

lmao you wont have turbo lag on such a small turbo, when you roll with the big dogs running 24+psi then you'll experience real turbo lag

 

I'm not really looking for that much power, 150 extra hp would be doubling what I have now, and that seems a bit excessive.
I haven't really looked into the turbo systems that would fit the 2.2 cl, but what would be the least expensive I could find, and the average middle of the road price? I'm not looking to put it too much cash at the moment, just give me some ranges.

 

Sorry about double post, but how much different would the ride feel if I swapped out the suspension? Is this really a mandatory if I would like to add a turbo?

 

It's called being conservative on a stock motor, and I was thinking supercharger numbers, But pushing 150 whp on a stock block, doubtful

 

It's not MANDATORY, but I suggest you tighten it up to better be able to control your car. Mind you I have almost 4 grand invested in my suspension though

 

How much of a change in suspension would you recommend if I put in 50-75 extra hp via turbo?


Also, how much would a 50-75 hp turbo cost?

 

coilovers and rear sway bar if you dont want to go nuts with the suspension.

 

Even a good set of springs matched with shocks, don't have to be adjustable height coils (more expensive). Like sportlines on KYB / AGX or something along those lines, shit prokit on AGX would work if you don't wanna be on the ground

 

i used to think i was slammed with my sportlines, but im still 4x4. get the nuespeed race springs and thats a different story.

 

For a Greddy turbo system, you could be looking at around $3K in parts and gee well, labor, that could be a real issue. As for building internals, More $$s and more labor. It all depends on the horse power you want. Putting a turbo on a stock block with no internals will work. But you are cutting your reliability in half. It will probably run great for a year and then... TROUBLE. But again, it is all about how much boost and power you are trying to achive.

In my opinion, you would do better with the CompTech SuperCharger, around $5K. Turbo systems for the V-Tec can be tricky to tune and maintain. But it can be done. As for boost. Anywhere between 8PSI to 13PSI would be enough for the f22b1 motor. Anymore than that will ruin it unless you do the internal work.

Oh, speaking of Big Dogs, a friend had a 1986 Buik Grand National 3.8 Liter Turbo. At the time, it was one of the fastest production cars in the US. A whopping 330 whp from a V6. But I will say this. At 18PSI of boost, that mother lagged like crazy and then SSSSSHHHHHHHOOOOOOMMMMMM! 0-60 was in the High 10s off the showroom floor.

Good luck with your project.

 

What is this language you are speaking?

I guess I need to read up on this...


So far, what price range would i be in if I am looking to buy a 50-75 hp increase turbo, rear sway, shocks and maybe some new springs, or whatever that kit is...



edit*** I can understand you ajtcl, You posted before I was done typing, thanks for pricing.

 

good idea..


ajtcl. greddy dont make a turbo kit for the F22, and no one makes a S/C either. your best bet is just go on honda-tech.com, look at all the turbo accords over there and get some inspiration and idea from what they've done.

 

That's the best bet, see already built motors, and see what parts they used, there are no turbo f22's on here, just lots of talk, no descriptions or pics.

Blenz is the only one I can think of that actually has one

 

They both make kits for the 3.0 Accords, and I have seen custom application refered to in the 2.Xs. I know there are no specific kits for the CL period. Nothing is made for the 1st Gen accept for a couple of shitty body kits and some cheap bolt-ons. Everything else has to be custom from 94-97 Accords. Oh well fuck it.

Turbo aint my bag bro.

 

Seems that turbo is going to be a shitton of time, work and money, I might just go for some cheaper upgrades that can help me get this car moving.


Driving it around it just seems...weak, I guess you could call it.

I suppose ill put in a nice intake and other things of the sort. Can someone explain to me what someone is doing when they get new "headers" I, was looking into things along those lines as well.

 

WELCOME TO OWNING AN ACURA CL They are slow, that's why they're luxury

 

unless you have cloth........like me

 

there's always the bottle :shrugs:

 

Guess you'll find out in a year or two, how much boost you can run to a stock block.


To the OP... If you are going to build a turbo and want it to produce a lot of power >50hp, it would be in your best interest to do it right and start with the heart and then work outwards from there. At least to be reliable.

 

You can piece together a turbo kit for around $1500 if your not looking to make alot of power, and thats if you get mostly used parts, but even then, $1500 is on the safe side. Also, if you piece one together, you really need to do alot of reading and research on this because its no walk in the park, trust me, I've learned lol. If you can't install it yourself or with a friend, then add soem serious labor onto that. Also, be prepared to upgrade your clutch some and if you cant do that on your own, that's another $500 bucks for labor.

Also, anytime you upgrade a considerable amount, suspension going to have to be upgraded as well. You can get Neuspeed springs for $200 and KYB AGX struts for $300, youre also going to want wider, larger tires, which are going to cost you because you'll have to get new rims and tires. And, with the springs and shocks, your going to have to buy a camber kit because it will be all out of whack. Sway bars aren't a bad idea either. And, with extra power, you might want to consider getting some better stopping power ie. slotted/cross drilled rotors, brake pads.

As you can see, this is not a cheap idea. You might be better off to just go with some nitrous, would be alot cheaper in the end.

 

A header is simply put, the "collection point" for you exhaust as it flows from the exhaust valve side of the combustion chamber. On your 2.2, look at the front of the engine bay. The four enlarged pipes comming from the front of the motor block are the headers. Most likely, yours are covered by a shroud of aluminum. Do not touch this while the engine is still warm.

An upgrade to headers is an effort to remove restriction from the exhaust flow, therefore increasing airflow through the exhaust system. The problem with headers is that often the piping for the cat has to be adjusted to meet the collection pipe.

Headers, Intake and Exhaust are the big things. I've also invested in AEM pullies and an over-sized cam gear. These are small bolt-on projects that can increase your whp by 10 to 15hp all together. Don't count on much more than that from bolt-on parts. Additional upgrades of this nature include but are not limited to... Fuel system and electrical upgrades like better plugs, heavier plug wires, v-tec controllers, mixture and fire controllers like the VAFC II. More advanced stuff gets into engine rebuilds and swaps. You name it, the sky is the limit.

I think I stay with the CL, mainly because I love the body style and interior comforts. This is not a fast car unless you go to the trouble of making it fast. And from what I have seen of the all-motor and turbo projects around here, alot of time and money as well. Also, just a tip, be AWARE of the auto transmission. In the 2.x it ain't too bad... In the 3.0... SHEIT! I'm on my second, and it has been fine. But only time will tell for sure.

Good luck. SEARCH, READ, LEARN, DO, TEACH!

 

just drop it and put rims on it.

it'll look sexy and itll be the best $$ u can spend on the car.

your wasting your time trying to tune that car(IMHO)

 

Yeah, my last hope to make a 1st Gen CL fast went up in smoke when I read the post about Dr. Evil transmissions not being all they've been made out to be. But, that was one person's experience and I've not heard much from other DE owners.

 

i say spend ur spare time readin as much as you can on honda-tech and such..

cuz you know shit all about what ur doin and its a good idea to know what ur gettin into..

 

I'm just going to stick with the intake and maybe add headers and exhaust later on.


I've heard AEM and KN make good intakes.... but which do you guys recommend?

How much should i spend on the intake exhaust and headers respectively?

 

intake - go on ebay and buy one and just slap on a K&N filter

headers & exhaust depends on what you go with..

 

Wow, from a custom turbo to intake, headers and exhaust, I love this forum

 

i disagree and always have, but then again this is coming from a cloth owner. too me the CL is a sleeker Accord, thats it. the 5th gen accord came with leather (EX-L), and was offered in V6, doesnt anyone consider that luxury, no. the only thing the CL has over the Accord EX-L is, heated mirrors, seats, and those didnt even come standard.

 

^ Bollocks.. (Don't break my heart). Girls go wild over the CL, the Accord is a family vehicle. Sexy still but I think the CL has a more luxurious body style. New accords can be "luxed-out" with factory options but I think the 1st gen still looks classier and it's 10 years old.

 

lol we have a currently used body-style the CL was way ahead of its time, people are surprised when i tell them mine is a 97.

 

are body is definately way better then the accord

 

It may have alot of the accord properties, but this is still an ACURA. Yea, you pay for that name, but you also pay for what you get in it. Yea, you can get a loaded accord, but its still an accord at the end of the day. If you look at acura's, you can't just add an option here or an option there, because it came with pretty much everything! I agree with JT, we have a luxury coupe, the accord is a family mobile lol

 

i get that all the time.

 

then what about the CD7 94-97 Accord EX-L, that came with leather or 5spd or 4spd auto. also came in V6. im not sold. yes it looks slightly better than the accord, and had a FEW more options, and was fairly priced.

 

i love surprising ppl

 

matter of fact i should stop saying my car is a 97. i got dum 17-18-19 year old girls telling me they think my car is a 01-03 accord?? i should just go with that

 

posing as another car/model level i.e. gsr= rice