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02-07-2005, 06:32 PM
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engine swap question
okay so i want to be different, everyones idea is to swap an h22 but i want an f20b (JDM '97-01 Accord Euro-R) does anyone know if that'll fit into a 97 2.2 cl?
02-07-2005, 06:51 PM
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yeah well u both have points i know the h22 has more torque but i wanna be different and i think thatd be sweet for a f20b to fit perfectly into the cl because it is after all an accord engine and that be sweet to be like the only guy with it
so i think im gonna start saving money lol
so i think im gonna start saving money lol
02-07-2005, 07:00 PM
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The f20b puts out just as much hp to the crank as the h22a, and the swap would probably be easier too without having to shave the prelude motor mount. I'm pretty sure the f20b is a really loud high reving engine and it would definately give you some good gains over the f22b.
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02-07-2005, 07:13 PM
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Although there is more aftermarket support for the h22, I wouldn't say that is a good reason to avoid swapping in the f20b. Both engines have the same compression, so the H22 isn't any better at handling boost. I'm pretty sure he could use the same intake and exhaust he has now on an f20b, and I would be surprised if there are no aftermarket headers, pulleys, or vtec controllers for the f20b. The cl would be a pretty quick car with a f20b with an intake and exhaust.
02-07-2005, 07:49 PM
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i agree i dont care if u say youll beat me or not. i wouldnt waste my time or money or gas to come n show u up anyway if i do get the f20b we all have opinions and mines different than others so hey u go blow up your f22 with your nos u want and gl with it. i want the f20b, not you
i wouldnt waste my time or gas.. boohooooo!!! i hope my f22 blows up.. then i can have a good reason to get my h22..
02-07-2005, 09:39 PM
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well then lets all pray it blows up 
. i really dont care for your opinion cuz it doesnt matter to me. i like my ideas just fine thanks. so gl with your cl and lets hope i have some with mine 
. i really dont care for your opinion cuz it doesnt matter to me. i like my ideas just fine thanks. so gl with your cl and lets hope i have some with mine
02-08-2005, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by shineynitelite
why would you even waste your time posting if you dont want other peoples opinions..
1. Minimal aftermarket parts for the extra money you pay for the F20B you can hook up the H22 fine.
2. You can find H22 anywhere and practically make someone a good deal, with an F20B be ready to spend some loot
3. Should be #1 is you have to change it from an OBDII to an OBDI
Stick with the H22 swap and boost the biatch.
02-08-2005, 08:19 AM
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if you got your mind made up and you got some doe, then do whatever makes you happy. i'm no hatter towards new things, new swaps n thinigs, but besides the fact you just wanna be different, is there a real reason you are going to do this swap?
02-08-2005, 08:37 AM
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go with the H. its not like a TON of people have one in their cl. there is probly only about 20 people worldwide that have it done. I could wear a dress everyday and be different but that doesnt mean i am gonna be cool.
02-08-2005, 09:04 AM
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02-08-2005, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by froggystyle14
i got a friend with a totaled lude, if he still has it, then i will see if i cant get the harness fo you
02-08-2005, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by froggystyle14
if you got your mind made up and you got some doe, then do whatever makes you happy. i'm no hatter towards new things, new swaps n thinigs, but besides the fact you just wanna be different, is there a real reason you are going to do this swap?
02-08-2005, 11:21 PM
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normally a swap is for betterperformance and for reliabilty and by doin research it has been proven that the h22 is our best choice for a swap. if you wanna do the f20b more power to ya and besides me maybe some of us are behind you but when it comes the the h22 this cl family has almost all answers when it comes to that swap. i promise you wil be happy with the h22
02-09-2005, 01:30 AM
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guys..... chill.
my take on it is why swap a smaller, more expensive motor... with less support, and torque into a CL? Lets face it, it's not as of the car is exactly small, nimble, or lighweight for that matter.
not "everyone" does the H22a. as a matter of fact, you would be hard pressed to find 10 people on this board that have done the swap.... and there are 30,000+ members on this forum.
if you're going to take the dive into swapping the CL, i would want something that people could help out with when it comes to ironing out those nasty gremlins.
my take on it is why swap a smaller, more expensive motor... with less support, and torque into a CL? Lets face it, it's not as of the car is exactly small, nimble, or lighweight for that matter.
not "everyone" does the H22a. as a matter of fact, you would be hard pressed to find 10 people on this board that have done the swap.... and there are 30,000+ members on this forum.
if you're going to take the dive into swapping the CL, i would want something that people could help out with when it comes to ironing out those nasty gremlins.
02-09-2005, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
Damn..someone feels real strong about the F20B and H22 swap. You are absolutely correct though. I thought about the same swap but after looking on accordperformance.com and some other accord sites it aint worth the extra money for an F20B.
1. Minimal aftermarket parts for the extra money you pay for the F20B you can hook up the H22 fine.
2. You can find H22 anywhere and practically make someone a good deal, with an F20B be ready to spend some loot
3. Should be #1 is you have to change it from an OBDII to an OBDI
Stick with the H22 swap and boost the biatch.
1. Minimal aftermarket parts for the extra money you pay for the F20B you can hook up the H22 fine.
2. You can find H22 anywhere and practically make someone a good deal, with an F20B be ready to spend some loot
3. Should be #1 is you have to change it from an OBDII to an OBDI
Stick with the H22 swap and boost the biatch.
02-09-2005, 09:04 PM
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OBDI stopped in 95.
OBDII went from 96 to present.
"On-Board Diagnostic systems are in most cars and light trucks on the road today. During the '70s and early 1980's manufacturers started using electronic means to control engine functions and diagnose engine problems. This was primarily to meet EPA emission standards. Through the years on-board diagnostic systems have become more sophisticated. OBD-II, a new standard introduced in the mid-'90s, provides almost complete engine control and also monitors parts of the chassis, body and accessory devices, as well as the diagnostic control network of the car." (from OBDII.com)
OBDII has more sensors that will tell you if something is going wacky with your motor, therefore triggering the dreaded check engine light.
You can convert an OBDII car to OBDI but not the other way around.
The problem is this: You can very well swap a OBDI motor into an OBDII car, but not all the sensors are going to be connected. This seems like a non-issue at first, because you can just change to the older ECU and have the car run fantastic. However, when you go to pass emissions, and they plug the computer in your car, it will fail. They won't pass an newer car with an older motor... it has to be from the same year, or newer. To not have any issues, you will be looking for a 97 Prelude motor, or newer, depending on your year. It would suck to swap an H22 into the car, then have to pull it back out because you can't pass emissions.
OBDII went from 96 to present.
"On-Board Diagnostic systems are in most cars and light trucks on the road today. During the '70s and early 1980's manufacturers started using electronic means to control engine functions and diagnose engine problems. This was primarily to meet EPA emission standards. Through the years on-board diagnostic systems have become more sophisticated. OBD-II, a new standard introduced in the mid-'90s, provides almost complete engine control and also monitors parts of the chassis, body and accessory devices, as well as the diagnostic control network of the car." (from OBDII.com)
OBDII has more sensors that will tell you if something is going wacky with your motor, therefore triggering the dreaded check engine light.
You can convert an OBDII car to OBDI but not the other way around.
The problem is this: You can very well swap a OBDI motor into an OBDII car, but not all the sensors are going to be connected. This seems like a non-issue at first, because you can just change to the older ECU and have the car run fantastic. However, when you go to pass emissions, and they plug the computer in your car, it will fail. They won't pass an newer car with an older motor... it has to be from the same year, or newer. To not have any issues, you will be looking for a 97 Prelude motor, or newer, depending on your year. It would suck to swap an H22 into the car, then have to pull it back out because you can't pass emissions.
02-10-2005, 05:02 PM
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okay so if i still got the 96 prelude h22 wouldnt that be obdII like my cl? and then i wouldnt have to worry about anything and i dont think i have emissions check in ohio and if we do im oblivious to it
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Originally Posted by haiduc
guys..... chill.
my take on it is why swap a smaller, more expensive motor... with less support, and torque into a CL? Lets face it, it's not as of the car is exactly small, nimble, or lighweight for that matter.
not "everyone" does the H22a. as a matter of fact, you would be hard pressed to find 10 people on this board that have done the swap.... and there are 30,000+ members on this forum.
if you're going to take the dive into swapping the CL, i would want something that people could help out with when it comes to ironing out those nasty gremlins.
my take on it is why swap a smaller, more expensive motor... with less support, and torque into a CL? Lets face it, it's not as of the car is exactly small, nimble, or lighweight for that matter.
not "everyone" does the H22a. as a matter of fact, you would be hard pressed to find 10 people on this board that have done the swap.... and there are 30,000+ members on this forum.
if you're going to take the dive into swapping the CL, i would want something that people could help out with when it comes to ironing out those nasty gremlins.
Just like that one guy on this board who wanted to swap a b18c1 into his CL... hahahahahaha
02-11-2005, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bkmc24
i agree i dont care if u say youll beat me or not. i wouldnt waste my time or money or gas to come n show u up anyway if i do get the f20b we all have opinions and mines different than others so hey u go blow up your f22 with your nos u want and gl with it. i want the f20b, not you
amazing how your opinion changes after everyone tells you your a retard
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