bkmc24

So, my brother and i were talking last night and he convinced me to turbo the F22 instead of swaping cuz swaping is gonne be Too much money for me. I have been thinking and i want to see the pro's and con's of finding the peices and parts instead of buying a kit.
So for custom, ide need the following: (and help on brands)
Manifold
Turbo
wastegate
B.O.V.
Oil Lines
intercooler
piping
injectors
ignition
downpipe
boost gauge
couplings conectors clamps and stuff.

anything im missing?? and brands for stuff woud help also.

Nato

i dont know much about turbocharging.. but i do know its expensive, i think your gains from swapping a h22 are gunna be higher than turboing your F22 ... but i have no idea..

bkmc24

i know h22 will be greater but a turbo will be funner i think.

insyone knows, i think he should tell me

agranado

I just spent the past 45 mins. reading up on this over at honda-acura.net after searching for f22 turbo... lots of helpful threads over there!

bkmc24

thanks you sir alex, did u look in the accord section?

lnsyone

Basically you'll need:

- Turbo
- Manifold
- Intercooler
- Wastegate (tial 38mm is one of the best ones out there for a basic setup)
- Blow off valve
- Intercooler piping
- Downpipe and upgraded exhaust piping - 3"
- Injectors - 450-550cc
- Fuel pump - 255lph
- Spark plugs
- Plug wires
- Ignition - MSD 6al will do the job (has a rev limiter)
- Coil
- Head Gasket - (get a Cometic head gasket)
- Fuel/Ignition computer - (Greddy E-Manage / Highly not recomend VAFC hack)
- Upgraded clutch - Something that can withstand 250+ft./lbs of torque.
- Flywheel - If you're going to upgrade your clutch, you might as well upgrade your flywheel to something a lil lighter like 9-11 lb. flywheel.
- Couplers and T-clamps
- Oil return and supply lines

^^ A very thorough and basic turbo setup

lnsyone

There is nothing better than piecing together your own turbo kit. Whatever you buy will be your preference. It's "wiser" because you'll end up with a "complete" kit. And you don't have to worry about buying "half ass kits".

- For turbos: you can pick up a t3/t4oe for 550$
- Manifolds: look around for an A/C compatible log style manifold - should be around 300$
- Intercooler: check honda-tech. some vendors carry cheap and nice intercoolers for 300-500$. ideal dimensions: 28" l x 8" h x 2.5-3" w
- Wastegates: 38mm tials go for 250$+
- Blowoff valve: greddy type rs (looks nice- i wanted to get it but i already have a functional bov) they go for 250$+
- Intercooler piping/Down pipe/Exhaust piping: prices will vary
- Injectors: RC are nice prolly 180-225$ perhaps for 450-550cc
- Fuel pump: 100$ or so
- Spark plugs: i dont know
- Plug wires: NGK blue - goes for 80-100$
- Ignition: MSD 6al - 225$+
- Coil: MSD blaster SS - $40+
- Head gasket: Cometic - 90$+
- Upgraded clutch and fly - ACT; Exceddy - 450$+
- E-Manage and necesary sensors and harnesses: try look for a used setup in good condition.
- Misc crap: 200$ or so

These are prices to my knowledge. It may seem a lil expensive, but you've got to keep in mind that:

1) This is a very thorough setup that should be reliable for daily driving if tuned good.
2) You get way more out of this than those "half ass" turbo kits

A setup like this can see 250 whp @ 12+ psi depending on tune. Dont wanna boost too high on a stock bottom end.

DivineCL

Teh / turbo guru has spoken...listen and take notes.

teh CL

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im soo tempted to turbo

97BlackAckCL

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Insyone has spoken

VXCL

h22 + tranny swap your lucky for high 14s. f22 turbo your lucky with high 13s. huge difference. prob the og f22 turbo guy, niedejb dynoed over 250 to the wheels! on 13 psi which is insane and prob not wsie to run on stock internals, but even moderate psi should be good enough to match or beat performance of an h22 swap. one thing is for sure it will be a way more fun to drive. nothing like hearing a trubo spool up. pssshht. and don't start with h22 turbo. i'm just comparing stock h22 swap to f22 with turbo setup. of course the type of turbo, ic, boost level, ecu tune, etc will make all the difference. the main prob i see is an h22 swap will be much more reliable if the turbo isn't setup right or you f22 jus't doesnt like it. these cars are pretty old now.

CL Platano

I'd go with a swap rather than throwing turbo on a 8 yr old engine, unless you upgrade all the internals which you should do anyway.

bkmc24

haha i was waiting for insyones intelligence. thanks alot, that helps a ton. Now to start looking for the stuff.

Palayah8ta

I agree!!! Your going to be spending $3000 anyways. Get that DOHC power, and ill buy u a DOHC VTEC sticker, everything will be okay..

bkmc24

well you have a point, but im just wanting to get some power out of the Cl without swapping and eventually am going to buy a del sol for a project car so im not gonna use all my money on th Cl.

OR i could get a sohc VTEC sticker like your avatar

CL Platano

Then just do the I/H/E on the CL and work on the Del Sol why waste the money..B16 or B20 Del Sol are sick...

bkmc24

i have i/h/e/p/p and im not satisfied lol and the del sol will prolly end up being a b18c-r one day

Motohip

unless you're rich. If spending that much money on a turbo and tuning isn't spending all your money, then you must have money.

Motohip

It's B18C5...unlesss you're talking about the JDM one, in which case it would just be B18C, but some people call it the B18C-R just to differentiate...and good luck finding one in good shape.

bkmc24

meh, idk ive been thinking alot about it and ive decided that im gonna get my flywheel and clkutch put on soon and if thats enough then ill save for the del sol, the turbo list helps tho

bkmc24

well thanks for the help on engine codes, theres a few sites that have them so, when the day comes....


and we all know my plans prolly are gonna change tomorrow so HA

CL Platano

Getting a Type R engine in good shape not blown is like buying a used WRX or S4..You know the engine is worked..

97BlackAckCL

iTrader: (6)

lnsyone

There is no way you'll run 13's unless you're boosting 20+ psi with an incredible tune. And in order to do that, you'll definitely have to bump up your fuel/ignition computer; injectors; 100+ octane fuel; LSD; slicks etc. And if you're boosting that high, I definitely reccomend building your motor because the stock internals will take a serious beating.

lnsyone

Also, browse the sponsored market place @ honda-tech. They have very good deals goin on over there, and that is where i bought most of my re-build parts from. *thumbs up*

Vendors I've dealt with:

Earl
Street Rays
Wired Ricky - Wired Speed Lab
Spark Racing
KTeller8
GSC Motorsports

Palayah8ta

Yea im going to keep my CL stockish. Im going to get a 1990 Civic Si Hatchback. Then go nuts with that.

I put that avatar up when i saw a 96 Accord ricer with it really big on the side, like hes was proud to be the owner of a SOHC motor...

VXCL

niedjb had all that cept for lsd and slicks. stock internals though. don;t forget the lucky part. nobody knows what happened to him. he just disappeared one day and never came back. he was building another f-block for more boost.

lnsyone

According to niedejb, this is what he got out of 15 psi:

agranado

those are some crazy numbers. How fast his CL must've gone with that tune...

lnsyone

Your #'s will depend on your setup and tune