First , I search but didn't find all the info I want.

Second, all the reply talk to the 6 speed swap.

I know AT suck but if you swap the CL or TL motor 3.2 (225 hp) or TLS or CLS 3.2 (260 hp) including the new AT (5 speed) transmission, Does is worth it?

4 me, why messing will all the parts to swap to cls 6 speed and all the prob. with it. and the price attach to it!(4k-6k)

I check on http://car-part.com/ and found good price on cls engine and transmission. (near 2.2K for both)

I didn't want to swap to manual and I only want more power without all much trouble and I want to stay automatic.

Again, 5 speed AT will be better for gearing I think and I assume better millage too.

BTW, maybe clearance 4 the engine will be a problem. But I see many civic with H22 so why not a CL with a CLS motor.

anyway, hope to see someone respond to my question
Thx.

 

you do that, and your automatic transmission WILL DIE.

your current auto slushbox cannot handle the higher torque and hp of the CL-S engine. the parts is one thing, but the cost of the installation will be several thousand as well.

might as well trade in and get a 2nd gen CL-S

 

wow

all I can say.

 

it's been done before....will cost $$

 

what he was saying is swap in whole setup from CL-S... the engine and tranny from CL-S.

problems he might have he is asking and cost.... if it fits... any electrical problems those sort of questions.

 

ju5tchi11in : exactly!

rezurex : I meant the transmission of the cls and the engine of the cls. So this will not put more pressure to the transmission : it's the stock of a cls.

BTW, rezurex , our transmission suck too and many people camplaint about it (broke down, slipping, etc).

4 your info, my transmission is already @ 192 000 KM and I'm the only that have a highest millage on it whithout ever replacing it.

If I would want a very good transm., I would buy a manual car (like a old one : prelude 97) or buy a Ferrari. My point here's, honda's AT suck, but cannot be worse than the 1st gen.

And I don't like the body shape of the 2nd gen. so. I want to keep my car sleeper if you know what I meant.

What I know is that I should take all the front of a CLS and transfert it to my 1st. So i'll have new ecu/motor/trans./etc.

Hope this clear some question.

 

The swap is very possible. If I were going with the complete swap, I'd opt for the 6sp tranny because the 5sp slushbox is pretty much the same as the 3.0 auto's they will break eventually. Most of honda's auto's suck. I wouldn't even fuck with swapping the ecu. I would go rite into a standalone system, aem,accel,hondata, ect. This will save you wiring nightmares between the harnesses, and ecu's and also give you added options for the future i.e forced induction. Costs, engine, trans est. 7k, Standalone 1-3k, swapping labor 3 weeks @ 5 days per week, 35h/r 4.2k total 12,200. IMO if you want speed you'r better off with a fully built h22/h23 turbo setup that would run you around the same price but with a 400-450hp output vs a 260hp output of the stock cl-s setup.

 

waste of fuckin time trying to do that, IMO.

 

And there is the semi answer...

around 9-10k at your price for the engine and trans installed...

around 6-8k with DIY... those misc. costs add up... so looking at 8k or possibly 11k.

so the other suggestion is going h22... which you can get auto for around 2k and then build it for another 2k and install looking at 5-6k... or do the manual conversion which isn't that much of a pain... but the motor will probably older than your car so you got some emissions problems to deal with...

obviously the CL-S would not since engines are only made as early as end of 2000(as in production date)?

 

If I swap my V6 to a H22 engine, I'll have to change the engine mount to support it. Will this not be a pain in the a**?

Does anyone transfert their v6 engine to H22A??? (someone on the forum with spec)

Anyway, maybe the dr. devil transm. will be a good option too. I'll see what happend when my transm. will slip and die.

The V6 is turbo friendly with is low compression( minus without know sensor and transm. prob). The H22 is powerfull but with his high compression, it is less turbo friendly.

Imagine a good transm. on the v6 with a turbo. Bye Bye H22 turbo.

Here in canada, we doesn't have emission regulation
The only thing is that you cannot swap a older engine in a newer car. You can lost your driver license and they take your car

Thx 4 your input.

 

V6 to h22 weld new mounts relocate some things.

Dr evil tranny good alternative. I would think about inquiring about one of the "rebuild kits".

V6 is very turbo friendly many of them on the sandrail circuits.

V6 turbo is hard also being that there aren't many internal upgrades as the 4cyl honda blocks.

All in all too much $$$ get the basic bolt-on's, and a 100shot of nitrous. Fast enough daily driven car.

 

Im not to far behind i have 108k which is equal to about 174,000 KM. I am dead affraid of it going out so i try to take it easier

 

ey man i would suggest in not doing it, the price and the risk for this kind of conversion is very high

 

I didn't see anyone else bring this up - but the 5AT in the CL-S is much worse than the 4AT we have.

For $2200 + install pains (or costs) - just sell your aging 97 and go buy a CL-S. They can be had for $15K easy. Why sink more money into your car? You'll end up with a car in a few years that you can barely sell for the market value of a stock car (prob ~$4K). With a newer CL, you can prob expect at least $10K.

That stated, I wouldn't buy another CL/Honda of anykind. Fuck the pansies and their FWD. I'd rather have a 300C/Magnum than an 04 TL.

 

:imwithstupid:

the 6spd swap is not worth the money

you will end up paying way to much for it in the long run, if i remember right the guy had paid like 6g for the swap then install labor then on top of it, the car was not liking the swap and the ECU was giving him problems with the car, check engine lights, etc.

but it will cost you more money in the long run

 

Thats why he switched to a standalone. Once that done, his problems went away. Standalone is the way to go with any swap IMO. As long as you keep on planing on expanding your engine.

 

thx 4 all your info.

I'll keep it stock 4 now but later i'll see what to do.

Some new car catch my attention : mazda 6, tsx and accord.