anti-roll (sway bars)
07-24-2001, 06:56 PM
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anti-roll (sway bars)
People always talking about them, but don't our CL's already come w/ anti-roll bars? I swear I read somewhere that they do.
...and are they the same as strut towers?
[ 07-24-2001: Message edited by: 3PointZero ]
...and are they the same as strut towers?
[ 07-24-2001: Message edited by: 3PointZero ]
07-24-2001, 07:26 PM
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ok.. your anti-roll bars aka sway bars are on your cl... frtont and rear.. however stock sways are 1" hollow, which provides you with stability but comfort and quiet a bit of roll... aftermarket sways like comptech or suspension dynamics make an upgraded 1" bart thats solid, for stiffer corning and better performance all around... if you are considering them, DO IT!! well worth the $$$... try and see if comptech makes one for your car, optherise try autocarparts.. I bought suspension dynamics through a buddy of mine.. GOOD LUCK!!! post pics
07-24-2001, 07:32 PM
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That's alright. I'll pass you later on when I get home and start looking at Ramblings... The topics in there are a little to vulger for me to answer here at work....
07-24-2001, 08:16 PM
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Swaybars (aka anti roll bars, and NOT aka strut tower bars) effectively increase the spring rates only while cornering by connecting the left wheel to the right wheel via a metal tube. Lift while accelerating and dive from braking are unaffected.
Increasing the spring rate at one end of a car while leaving the other end alone causes that end to do more work. For example, I installed a 20mm rear swaybar on my WRX wagon in place of the 17mm stock one on Friday. At the races this weekend, I found it to be much more neutral (less terminal understeer), have a bit less body roll, and be more tossable because the rear tires are doing more of the workload than before.
Front swaybars make for sharper turn in. Rear swaybars add to the tossability and can possibly cause a lot of oversteer and a spin in the hands of an inexperienced driver.
Having too big a swaybar results in "crosstalk," or the left wheel being forced downwards if the right one hits a bump, or vice versa. The suspension loses its independency & acts more like a live axled ponycar or truck.
The good news is that swaybars are usually cheap and are very easy and painless to install. Aside from tire pressures, it's an easy way to adjust the cornering behavior of your car.
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Increasing the spring rate at one end of a car while leaving the other end alone causes that end to do more work. For example, I installed a 20mm rear swaybar on my WRX wagon in place of the 17mm stock one on Friday. At the races this weekend, I found it to be much more neutral (less terminal understeer), have a bit less body roll, and be more tossable because the rear tires are doing more of the workload than before.
Front swaybars make for sharper turn in. Rear swaybars add to the tossability and can possibly cause a lot of oversteer and a spin in the hands of an inexperienced driver.
Having too big a swaybar results in "crosstalk," or the left wheel being forced downwards if the right one hits a bump, or vice versa. The suspension loses its independency & acts more like a live axled ponycar or truck.
The good news is that swaybars are usually cheap and are very easy and painless to install. Aside from tire pressures, it's an easy way to adjust the cornering behavior of your car.
[ 07-24-2001: Message edited by: RidinLow ]
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07-25-2001, 02:36 AM
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Where else can you get suspension dynamics?
Comptech does not make it for our version of the CL...they said that there is not that much demand for it so it isn't worth it for them.
Comptech does not make it for our version of the CL...they said that there is not that much demand for it so it isn't worth it for them.
07-25-2001, 02:42 AM
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I have yet to find them for the CL. I believe the people that have them do a custom install and used the ones made for the Accord. Just like everything else for our cars.
07-25-2001, 08:35 PM
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the 94-97 accord sways bolt right in .... WARNING.. the fit is great to install, but after driving be concious of the bushhing... in a year mine were destroy and had to be replaced because its not the exact fit!!!!
07-25-2001, 10:13 PM
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Ive always thought that swaybars(in the back) on a fwd car will cause the car to understear and it is best to leave the rear alone. Am I wrong or not? Im not sure. Im new to this fwd stuff. 
I miss my 4 wheel drive
I miss my 4 wheel drive
07-26-2001, 12:40 AM
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Yeah it does create more understeer with them on in the hands of someone that doesn't know how to handle it. I think as long as you take it easy and get used to the feel, it should be fine.
Also, the reason why comptech and stuff don't make it for us is because of the bushings! They say that we have very distinct ones that no one else uses.
Also, the reason why comptech and stuff don't make it for us is because of the bushings! They say that we have very distinct ones that no one else uses.
07-30-2001, 02:54 PM
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hey casper98cl...so will those suspension dynamic sway bars fit on my car...its the 2.3 CL...man i want sways bbut lots of ppl said they wont fit...even from the 94-97...i was wondering how u got some to fit or watever...well hit me up man...i want some hehe
07-30-2001, 06:41 PM
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i dont know.. they fit the 98 3.0... try to find website or a phone # somehow,.... They should be able to tell you... sorry... wish i could tell you more
07-30-2001, 09:23 PM
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how'd you get those sways...would u happen to know the website because i cant seem to find it....well...maybe you can ask your friend or something...haha damn cant find it...well lemme know if you do see anything...thanks man
07-31-2001, 11:05 AM
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to be honest with you my ex-friend owned a shop and he oredered them.... not many people carry them... but keep checkin.. they gotta be somewhere... just to remind you... SUSPENSION DYNAMICS... Good luck!!!
07-31-2001, 07:49 PM
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i was just wonderin about the level of effort needed to install those things... and worried about it fucking up my car, but if it was just a case of bad install like you said- i might consider getting these down the road.
07-31-2001, 07:59 PM
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honestly get them... difference is nite and day from stock sways to aftermarket sways... both are 1" tubing, but aftermarkets are solid, not hollow like stocksa so its 10x stiffer... install was nothing, but we had a lift... just a few bolts, reattching bushing the same directions and mounting it up... my problem, bad or not so bad, only hurt thr bushing not my car so... no need to worry bout that...
07-31-2001, 09:15 PM
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Damn it!!! ll of this talk of sways made me go check mine... today i hit a rathere large bump(pothole) and i heard a clang.. $hit, i lost one of my links... 
time to find time to take of the sway bar and buy a new link, readjust and install it again... 
[ 07-31-2001: Message edited by: Casper98CL ]
time to find time to take of the sway bar and buy a new link, readjust and install it again... [ 07-31-2001: Message edited by: Casper98CL ]
08-01-2001, 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by Casper98CL:
<STRONG>honestly get them... difference is nite and day from stock sways to aftermarket sways.....</STRONG>
<STRONG>honestly get them... difference is nite and day from stock sways to aftermarket sways.....</STRONG>
Should be here in 3-4 days!!Hey Casper98CL how difficult is it to install the front bar?
08-01-2001, 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by CL-Z:
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Just ordered a set by Suspension Techniques! Should be here in 3-4 days!!
Hey Casper98CL how difficult is it to install the front bar?</STRONG>
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Just ordered a set by Suspension Techniques!
Should be here in 3-4 days!!Hey Casper98CL how difficult is it to install the front bar?</STRONG>
08-01-2001, 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by 3PointZero:
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where did ya get em from?</STRONG>
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where did ya get em from?</STRONG>
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08-01-2001, 06:22 PM
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Hey Casper98CL how difficult is it to install the front bar?
congrats.. youll love them...
NOTE... locktite those links on in the rear!!!!!
08-01-2001, 06:41 PM
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Hey Casper98CL and CL-z...what year accord did you get the sway bars from? It shouldn't be too hard to install them should it? And what do i do about the bushings?...cuz now im thinking of getting some sways 
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08-01-2001, 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by Casper98CL:
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congrats.. youll love them...
NOTE... locktite those links on in the rear!!!!!</STRONG>
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congrats.. youll love them...
NOTE... locktite those links on in the rear!!!!!</STRONG>
Can't wait to get 'em!!
08-01-2001, 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by chiggacl68:
<STRONG>Hey Casper98CL and CL-z...what year accord did you get the sway bars from? It shouldn't be too hard to install them should it? And what do i do about the bushings?...cuz now im thinking of getting some sways
[ 08-01-2001: Message edited by: chiggacl68 ]</STRONG>
<STRONG>Hey Casper98CL and CL-z...what year accord did you get the sway bars from? It shouldn't be too hard to install them should it? And what do i do about the bushings?...cuz now im thinking of getting some sways
[ 08-01-2001: Message edited by: chiggacl68 ]</STRONG>
About the install, Casper98CL has done his and said that it's not too hard. I'm going to take a look at it when they arrive. But worst case, if I don't feel like doin' it, the place I ordered from said they'd install them for $100 to $150.
08-01-2001, 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by indopinoy:
<STRONG>cheap ebay strut bars or nice tanabe (or dc sports) strut bar...any difference besides price? (20 to 150 dollars man!)</STRONG>
<STRONG>cheap ebay strut bars or nice tanabe (or dc sports) strut bar...any difference besides price? (20 to 150 dollars man!)</STRONG>