3.0 vs H22 swap
03-01-2004, 04:38 AM
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3.0 vs H22 swap
Yesterday as i was heading out to D1 showoff at Irwindale speedway i hopped on the 5 south and seemed to noticed a slammed cl cleared and it really seemed to catch my eye bcuz it was the same color.....as he was passing he was laffing and smiling so i dropped it to 3rd and got on his tail seemed to notice it was a 3.0 we went at it for a bit and i pretty much spanked him......trying to talk on the freeway is a fuckn burn lets jes say pretty boring..........but interesting at that moment...but also satisfied my money was actuallly worth it
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Was the 3.0 stock?? Well, you gots some mods under your hood so it would be normal for you to spank a stock 3.0. IMO 3.0's are slow except dust and fastvtecL.
03-01-2004, 12:36 PM
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3.0 slow? The H22a with puts you at the 3.0 power considering the weight difference in engines. Sure with headers and intake, you can take a stock 3.0, but car for car, the h22 is not going to walk a 3.0 as is, they will be dead even.
The h22 is slow in the CL too n/a.
The h22 is slow in the CL too n/a.
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Originally posted by suXor
3.0 slow? The H22a with puts you at the 3.0 power considering the weight difference in engines. Sure with headers and intake, you can take a stock 3.0, but car for car, the h22 is not going to walk a 3.0 as is, they will be dead even.
The h22 is slow in the CL too n/a.
3.0 slow? The H22a with puts you at the 3.0 power considering the weight difference in engines. Sure with headers and intake, you can take a stock 3.0, but car for car, the h22 is not going to walk a 3.0 as is, they will be dead even.
The h22 is slow in the CL too n/a.
not true AT ALL, first off the h22 w/ the manual gear box should have no PROBLEM walking a CL, the motor is about lighter and the gearing is A LOT better!
Duece, let's have a run at it and see, I have a feeling you will walk me no problem w/ me n/a
esp. from a diga stock h22a should put the CL into low 15's
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cai and headers? i think my all motor setup will spank any all motor 3.0....the 3.0 didnt look too stock exhaust he said headers so that must mean intake....iono bout the rest
03-01-2004, 01:29 PM
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i'm better from the freeway anyways, SooDark raped me on his launch and jumped out a good car, but he cheated; he got a headstart and then shut down when I startedd reeling him in :P
03-01-2004, 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by CLpower
i'm better from the freeway anyways, SooDark raped me on his launch and jumped out a good car, but he cheated; he got a headstart and then shut down when I startedd reeling him in :P
i'm better from the freeway anyways, SooDark raped me on his launch and jumped out a good car, but he cheated; he got a headstart and then shut down when I startedd reeling him in :P
lol Yeah I hit the brakes when I saw you charging
I pickup my car Tueday night or Wednesday afternoon if you want a rematch Scott:P. Duece good kill! Is your h22 JDM or US?? Do they have the same redline?? Cause on honda-tech all these fools say they rev their stock JDM h22's to like 7,800. WTF?
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Originally posted by suXor
3.0 slow? The H22a with puts you at the 3.0 power considering the weight difference in engines. Sure with headers and intake, you can take a stock 3.0, but car for car, the h22 is not going to walk a 3.0 as is, they will be dead even.
The h22 is slow in the CL too n/a.
3.0 slow? The H22a with puts you at the 3.0 power considering the weight difference in engines. Sure with headers and intake, you can take a stock 3.0, but car for car, the h22 is not going to walk a 3.0 as is, they will be dead even.
The h22 is slow in the CL too n/a.
shhhhh
03-01-2004, 04:43 PM
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i was thinking about H22....but why...wat i need is a 6speed tranny for my 3.0....some head work...some bolt-on parts...i think i can take a 5-speed H22 no problem. at the line my friend 2000 prelude 5-speed would take me when he shift to 2nd....but mine would pull up slowly after like 80. at hi-speed i think the 3.0 would take the prelude with a h22.
03-01-2004, 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by ib_jimmy
i was thinking about H22....but why...wat i need is a 6speed tranny for my 3.0....some head work...some bolt-on parts...i think i can take a 5-speed H22 no problem. at the line my friend 2000 prelude 5-speed would take me when he shift to 2nd....but mine would pull up slowly after like 80. at hi-speed i think the 3.0 would take the prelude with a h22.
i was thinking about H22....but why...wat i need is a 6speed tranny for my 3.0....some head work...some bolt-on parts...i think i can take a 5-speed H22 no problem. at the line my friend 2000 prelude 5-speed would take me when he shift to 2nd....but mine would pull up slowly after like 80. at hi-speed i think the 3.0 would take the prelude with a h22.
Unless that H22 is in a Civic, there will be no walking...You guys are right that the Auto will slack during shifts...that's the nature of the beast. However, my statement stands, and that you will not "walk" a 3.0 with a H22 n/a, you may pull on it at certain points. What si the weight difference? It can;t be that much can it on just the engine/tranny
Man, to me the best mod for the 3.0 would be a manual tranny
03-01-2004, 05:37 PM
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I think a 3.0 with headers, intake, catback tuned could walk a h22. But not stock. I mean this guy has JUN cams and ecu upgrade. With his vfac he prolly got the a/f dialed. Sure that will smoke a stock 3.0.
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for some reason some of you are hating on H22 swapped CL's, a 3.0 would not catch me at all not even at top end. Some 3.0's can barely do the whole speedo when I can do the whole thing in 4th gear! I raced one since my swap and actualy he was in front of me at a light, when it turned green he floored it as I shifted to second gear I switched lanes and passed him as his girlfriend watched me pass by.
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Originally posted by suXor
Unless that H22 is in a Civic, there will be no walking...
You guys are right that the Auto will slack during shifts...that's the nature of the beast. However, my statement stands, and that you will not "walk" a 3.0 with a H22 n/a, you may pull on it at certain points. What si the weight difference? It can;t be that much can it on just the engine/tranny
Man, to me the best mod for the 3.0 would be a manual tranny
Unless that H22 is in a Civic, there will be no walking...You guys are right that the Auto will slack during shifts...that's the nature of the beast. However, my statement stands, and that you will not "walk" a 3.0 with a H22 n/a, you may pull on it at certain points. What si the weight difference? It can;t be that much can it on just the engine/tranny
Man, to me the best mod for the 3.0 would be a manual tranny
a stock H22A in a civic hatch will put the car into low 14's. I'm sorry to say it bro, but a stock h22a in a CL will walk away from a 3.0. I hate to say it, but it's true. The 3.0 is a solid avg 15.6-15.8 car in the 1/4. A h22a would probably get 15.1-15.3. That is a pretty big difference at the end of the 1/4 mile
there is a reason i've done all the research and am STRONGLY considering ditching my 3.0 for an h22a.
You haven't been around swapped cars much have you?
03-01-2004, 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by baka_t
I think a 3.0 with headers, intake, catback tuned could walk a h22. But not stock. I mean this guy has JUN cams and ecu upgrade. With his vfac he prolly got the a/f dialed. Sure that will smoke a stock 3.0.
I think a 3.0 with headers, intake, catback tuned could walk a h22. But not stock. I mean this guy has JUN cams and ecu upgrade. With his vfac he prolly got the a/f dialed. Sure that will smoke a stock 3.0.
i'm interested in running 99CL's car. he's laying down close to 200 to the wheels in his 3.0. Should be a strong car. Would probably give a bolt on h22a a good run. Don't know if he'd walk though
03-01-2004, 07:58 PM
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How do you guys launch teh 3.0 off the line without power braking? Cause everyone getz a damn good start off the line and i'm always having to play "catch up". That and i gotta wait till 4000rpm's for it to really kick. I've heard of using the parking brake, but how would you do it (at what rpm), and i really dont wanna psend another 1700 on a new tranny....
03-01-2004, 08:07 PM
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powerbraking is the best you can do. Our cars suck off the line
don't use the parking brake, and NEVER do a neutral to drive drop
don't use the parking brake, and NEVER do a neutral to drive drop
03-01-2004, 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by CLpower
You haven't been around swapped cars much have you?
You haven't been around swapped cars much have you?
Perhaps the Auto just kills it for us 3.0s? I never race, never tried, so I couldn't tell you.
03-01-2004, 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by suXor
Never, just basing on numbers and the manual tranny, I may be talking out of my ass, but....
Perhaps the Auto just kills it for us 3.0s? I never race, never tried, so I couldn't tell you.
Never, just basing on numbers and the manual tranny, I may be talking out of my ass, but....
Perhaps the Auto just kills it for us 3.0s? I never race, never tried, so I couldn't tell you.
the auto the killer, if it wasn't there you'd see turbo and sc'd 3.0's all over the place, trust me, i'd be one of them.
As I said, i'm really really thinking of ditching my 3.0 for an h22a. It wouldn't be like that if there was a manual option for the 3.0 that was proven
03-01-2004, 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by Leon
for some reason some of you are hating on H22 swapped CL's, a 3.0 would not catch me at all not even at top end. Some 3.0's can barely do the whole speedo when I can do the whole thing in 4th gear! I raced one since my swap and actualy he was in front of me at a light, when it turned green he floored it as I shifted to second gear I switched lanes and passed him as his girlfriend watched me pass by.
for some reason some of you are hating on H22 swapped CL's, a 3.0 would not catch me at all not even at top end. Some 3.0's can barely do the whole speedo when I can do the whole thing in 4th gear! I raced one since my swap and actualy he was in front of me at a light, when it turned green he floored it as I shifted to second gear I switched lanes and passed him as his girlfriend watched me pass by.
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Originally posted by baka_t
Not hating really. A stock 3.0 wont last to a h22 with bolt-ons. What i'm saying is that a 3.0 with the same bolt on's should be able to walk a h22. If we had as much aftermarket support as the 2.xL guys we would have much faster cars. The guys over at v6p.net ran a 14.8 with i/h/e on his car thats way cheaper than a h22 swap. Our basic problems are our clutch packs after talking to my friend a honda tech. They are too weak for our car. Honda claims they fixed it but they are putting all reman tran's under warranty not the oem honda unit. Shit if i wasn't worried about my tranny kicking the bucket, i'd get all the bolt-ons i could on that thing and a custom turbo setup. The v6p tranny is out but thats like 5000+ i live in hawaii and the shipping would kill me.
Not hating really. A stock 3.0 wont last to a h22 with bolt-ons. What i'm saying is that a 3.0 with the same bolt on's should be able to walk a h22. If we had as much aftermarket support as the 2.xL guys we would have much faster cars. The guys over at v6p.net ran a 14.8 with i/h/e on his car thats way cheaper than a h22 swap. Our basic problems are our clutch packs after talking to my friend a honda tech. They are too weak for our car. Honda claims they fixed it but they are putting all reman tran's under warranty not the oem honda unit. Shit if i wasn't worried about my tranny kicking the bucket, i'd get all the bolt-ons i could on that thing and a custom turbo setup. The v6p tranny is out but thats like 5000+ i live in hawaii and the shipping would kill me.
all the bolt ons and a turbo huh?? Sounds like you need to do some research before yoou buy anything. BTW- an h22 stock will walk a 3.0 with e/i/h. I would love to prove that to any of the 3.0 owners that don't believe it. and that time that you found is not legit at all. Guaranteed that car has DR's and was fully gutted and probably more mods than what you listed.
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Originally posted by SooDARK
ROFL all the bolt ons and a turbo huh?? Sounds like you need to do some research before yoou buy anything.
BTW- an h22 stock will walk a 3.0 with e/i/h. I would love to prove that to any of the 3.0 owners that don't believe it. and that time that you found is not legit at all. Guaranteed that car has DR's and was fully gutted and probably more mods than what you listed.
ROFL
all the bolt ons and a turbo huh?? Sounds like you need to do some research before yoou buy anything. BTW- an h22 stock will walk a 3.0 with e/i/h. I would love to prove that to any of the 3.0 owners that don't believe it. and that time that you found is not legit at all. Guaranteed that car has DR's and was fully gutted and probably more mods than what you listed.
keep your motor stock for a little while and run 99CL. I think he may give you a good run. He's laying down very close, if not over 200 to the wheels in his 3.0
I wouldn't be suprised if he dipped into 14's (which is still slow as shit, man I feel like a fucking tool argueing over such slow cars 
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Originally posted by SooDARK
ROFL all the bolt ons and a turbo huh?? Sounds like you need to do some research before yoou buy anything.
BTW- an h22 stock will walk a 3.0 with e/i/h. I would love to prove that to any of the 3.0 owners that don't believe it. and that time that you found is not legit at all. Guaranteed that car has DR's and was fully gutted and probably more mods than what you listed.
ROFL
all the bolt ons and a turbo huh?? Sounds like you need to do some research before yoou buy anything. BTW- an h22 stock will walk a 3.0 with e/i/h. I would love to prove that to any of the 3.0 owners that don't believe it. and that time that you found is not legit at all. Guaranteed that car has DR's and was fully gutted and probably more mods than what you listed.
03-01-2004, 09:54 PM
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I love toying with Preludes. They're a fun kill!
Admittedly, I hade one h22a owner who wasn't a dick about getting walked, and took the time to see what I had done to my 3.0CL. He was pretty cool.
I did get spanked by an h22a turbo. That damn thing was fast!
Admittedly, I hade one h22a owner who wasn't a dick about getting walked, and took the time to see what I had done to my 3.0CL. He was pretty cool.
I did get spanked by an h22a turbo. That damn thing was fast!
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Originally posted by dustbuster4
I love toying with Preludes. They're a fun kill!
Admittedly, I hade one h22a owner who wasn't a dick about getting walked, and took the time to see what I had done to my 3.0CL. He was pretty cool.
I did get spanked by an h22a turbo. That damn thing was fast!
I love toying with Preludes. They're a fun kill!
Admittedly, I hade one h22a owner who wasn't a dick about getting walked, and took the time to see what I had done to my 3.0CL. He was pretty cool.
I did get spanked by an h22a turbo. That damn thing was fast!
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Originally posted by Mark Davison
I'll let an N/A 3.0 have a head start and i'll still dust them. Nothing but a good shot or forced induction will save a 3.0 against an H22.
I'll let an N/A 3.0 have a head start and i'll still dust them. Nothing but a good shot or forced induction will save a 3.0 against an H22.
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I'd like to see the same setup on an H22 run a 3.0
Maybe I/H/E/V-AFC....if both cars pump 200 Hp but the 3.0 has more TQ...and the H22 has adv. with 5 speed.......I think we would ALL be surprised that racing to 100MPH they would both be even!
But since I have a 3.0, maybe the 3.0 would win by a bumper!
Maybe I/H/E/V-AFC....if both cars pump 200 Hp but the 3.0 has more TQ...and the H22 has adv. with 5 speed.......I think we would ALL be surprised that racing to 100MPH they would both be even!
But since I have a 3.0, maybe the 3.0 would win by a bumper!
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Dunno man this theory will have to be tested. I know that a h22 with bolt-ons will beat a stock 3.0. But the question is will a stock h22 beat a stock 3.0 in the high end? All depends on the driver also.
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Just race and show us dammit. I would be down to do it, but I don't got my H22A yet. Just like that 2.2 vs. 3.0 off-the-line theory, we really won't find out til some folks race.
Deuce: About those deals, do you got any on a COMPLETE 97 or later H22A non-SH? I'm tryna get mine to be smog legal and looked at by referee so I don't gotta pay someone to pass me.
Deuce: About those deals, do you got any on a COMPLETE 97 or later H22A non-SH? I'm tryna get mine to be smog legal and looked at by referee so I don't gotta pay someone to pass me.