roddymerritt

OK I have a 98 CL 3.0 and was wondering if I could pull an engine swapp with the new 3.2 270hp TL engine? Does anyone know if this would work?

Crazy Bimmer

i dont see why not. There were guys hwo put the typeS engine in a 98 CL. Anything can be done with enough money

NSX-Tuner

I think a better swap would be with a 03 CLS. I believe the 04 TL headers are integrated with the manifold; meaning you can't install aftermarket headers. I believe the 03 CLS may have more potential HP with the mods that available.

sgmotoring

I also think 03CL-S is a better and easier swap.

allmotor_2000

The swap won't be any easier between the two... but in terms of getting the car passed for smog/inspection purposes, it will be eaiser with the '01-'03 motor - not that it can't be done with the '04. If you have the entire front-clip off the '04, then go ahead with that.

G-UNIT

where would u find an 04 engine though? good luck anyway bro!

Bobbydoedoe

By goign the 03Cls engine, it might be easier to obtain then the 04s, and prolly cheaper

roddymerritt

Well goin with the 04 would be hard to find but I am not planning on a swap soon but if it was possible it couldbe within the next year maybe. If the 04 will fit them I am going to go with it and oh yeah on the smogg thing I live in Mississippi we don't have any laws like that here. I think that the aftermarket stuff will be made for the 04 soon but 270 hp with nos will be enough for me.

Guru

I'd say get a new car. A swap like this would be expensive. Your car + the price of the swap puts you in 2001 CL-S price range.

CL-S isn't as light as the 1st gen so it would be a little slower then a 1st gen with a J32A2, but its easier and you get a lot more luxury.

juniorbean

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With all of the money you're going to spend on parts... then installation... then tuning.... why not just buy a 2004 TL? That way you know it will work right and it'll be ready to go out of the box and it will have all of the new technological goodies your 1998 CL can only dream about. Wait until next year and get a low mileage 2004 TL in the mid-$20's and you'll be all set.

I mean, just the tranny and engine alone will run you close to $12k (and that's using 2001-2003 CL/TL numbers, 2004 stuff is probably more money), and that doesn't include all of the other stuff you will need (plus installation). Doesn't make sense to me....

NiteQwill

Nitrous or NOS? If it's NOS, you're speaking brand...

Just bustin your bubble man

roddymerritt

Look for all the smart asses I know nos is a brand. As for the TL it heavy and needs 270 just to keep up. I am looking for a light car with a big engine get point.

18anatak

Where are the guys that put the Type-S engines in a first gen?? I wanna see those pics!

HyDrOpOnIkToKa

Leon

and at what fucken price

liloj

i told you..im working on boring it to a 6.0 and making it a quad turbo...w/ a 200 shot of nitro.......gimme time j/k

but yea..where are those pics

DrDre1443

personally, i dont think the 04 TL engine will fit, with custom motor mounts and having to move every single fluid container around and alt, battery, and starter and all that stuff....our engine bay is cramped as is without the extra .2 liters of displacement and extra stuff the 04 TL has.


Good luck getting the tranny to fit in right, as well. Jst remember the TL has a much longer wheelbase, thus needs more room for engine and tranny, as opposed to the CL-S.

you'd have to wait at least 8-10 months for a good front clip to come around anyways. as the 04 TL hasnt ben out for very long.

roddymerritt

True it would be sweet though to start with a stock 270hp rather than a stock 240hp.

AcUrALiTy

money talks bullshit walks

proaudio22

The 3.2s (engine that is) weigh more than our 3.0s, so more than likely your 98 CL will weigh just as much (IE won't be light anymore). What do you mean the TL needs 270 to keep up? While 300lbs heavyer than our 3.0s stock, it'll whip up on you pretty easily. Your point makes no sense, move on.

What has 240hp? Only the new Accord does. Our cars are 200hp, and the CLS is 260. You can get to 270hp on a CLS engine with an intake. Big deal.

I agree with the others. Forget this shit, and just buy another car. Buy a CLS. Less hassle, same $$, and now you have a car worth $20K instead of a car that cost $20K but is only worth $12K.

roddymerritt

Ok I thaught that the CL-s only made 240 ok maybe I was wrong. still the idea that the TL puts out 270 is not all its cracked up to be. I mean come on does it put that to the wheels, probably not. Its a four door sedan, that means alot of weight. Oh and if the CL-s does make 260 it don't feel like it.

liloj

a cls can runs 14s stock..even an auto runs like a 14.8-15.0...how can it not feel fast.....unless you have a civic that runs 10s with the extra hp from greddy stickers.....

roddymerritt

No I have a CL and ain't no civic with greddy stickers gonna out run me. I just drove an 03 and my 98 feels faster on the low end, mainly like it has more torque. I don't know its just felt slow

liloj

do you have a 3.0 or 2.x..cause if its a 3.0..itll lag until around 4000 rpms...and is the 03 a type s or reg.?

DrDre1443

You'd be suprised!

roddymerritt

I have a 3.0 and it don't lag until 4. The one I drove wa and 03 type s. Just so you know the VTEC kicks in earlier on the 3.0 rather than in th2

ATLcl98

i can't believe this thread even lasted this long

liloj

proaudio22

We need to make up a sticky about these engine swaps and how you might as well forget it and buy a new car. Then everytime a thread like this pops up, we just direct them to it. It's the exact same thing every time....

liloj

get a mod to put it in the must read for newbs sticky.....

roddymerritt

What if you don't want a new car

liloj

well....if you like your car that much...then do it..but it would also be easier to throw a supercharger on the engine for a lot cheaper than a swap.....get a few upgrades.....about 10 backup trannys and youll be set...actually i think cldriver is still on his first from what ive heard......

baka_t

He is on his 1st but I'm thinking hes going easy on it. He has a b&m cooler and thats about it for beefing up the tranny. With the normal pulley, I'd doubt you'd run into tranny problems with a cooler. With the higher boost pulley, be prepared to loose your tranny.

liloj

yea..a tranny cooler is the autos best friend.....

proaudio22

You must be nuts.

But, that aside - just don't waste your money then. Save for later in life or something. Buy a boat. Idk...

DrDre1443

just remember that the people who ask the questions like the dude that started this thread are often gracing the covers of "super street" and "HCI"

Kudos for imagination and thought provoking.

roddymerritt

I don't grave the cover of any mag. Most of the time I look and see what no one is doing and wonder if it could be done. Thats why I started this thread. I mean I have never seen an engine swap in a CL. But I do see engine swaps in alot of other cars. I would just be nice to see someone do something other than bolt ons.

jakelovescake

put a nsx engine in it why not your loaded right?...or a corvett engine with a supercharger...im sure it will slide right in

lomeli3.0CL

sounds like it would be tight...

roddymerritt

Oh a smart guy