HEY MY BUDDY IS JUST TAKING HIS VENOM 400 OFF HIS INTEGRA HE SAYS HE WILL LET ME GET IT FOR $100 IS THAT GOOD FOR A USED VENOM 400 IS IT OK TO BUY A USED VENOM 400 AND WILL THE VENOM 400 WORK GOOD WITH MY ZEX KIT????

 

I was wondering the same thing... Does the Venom help or not help when the nitrous is spraying. I didn't get a chance at the dyno to test. Only had three runs.

$100 is good, but I don't think it will work on your car. Best bet is to call venom direct and ask them. They might be able to reprogram it for a small amount. You might still be able to get it for 1/2 price of a new one after that.

 

Your friends venom won't work on your CL since it was programed for a teg. You could get it reprogramed but honestly I wouldn't waste time with a venom. Spend the cash on a Apexi V-AFC. The vafc can be programed to your individual needs wich which would be best with zex. Thats the setup I got running on my car and its great. You can adjust your fuel curve and vtec engagement. Just my .02

 

Can the V-AFC be programmed to retard timing? I notice that Zex recommend 2 degree and 4 degree retarding for the 65 and 75 jets, respectively.

 

any one know the phone number to venom so i can call them?? also is the V-AFC universal for my car and (like the other guy said) will it retard my ignition timing so i can run the75 shot on my zex ???

 

Venom 1-800-959-2865

 

isn't it possable to run the venom and the V-AFC at the same time along with the ZEX kit?? I thought it was! sence the venom is more of a chip to help get max power though rpms, and the V-AFC adds power and control over the engine. atleast thats my understanding of it all.

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That would be pointless. The apex-i does exactly what the venom does, but more.

 

what Ive been told by shops in my town here, the APEXi does different things then the vemon, I cant quit explain it like they did but I was told the work differently.

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The vafc can not retard ignition timing that why I have an msd ignition system
You could use the vafc and the venom toghter but I feel it would be pointless, like moforose said. Oh and cweet the vafc works on any Honda that has vtec.
Heres what the VAFC does:
VAFC is a Piggyback Fuel Computer with Integrated VTEC Controller. Modifies manifold pressure signal and alters VTEC engagement point on Honda VTEC engines; Vacuum Fluorescent Display (VFD). Its a digital fuel computer that combines fuel computer functions with a VTEC engagement controller. The V-AFC has user-definable, eight-point, adjustable fuel curve that can be set in 500 RPM increments. The range of fuel adjustment is +/- 50% at each of the user-defined setting points. The Fuel Adjustment function considers wide/narrow throttle and low/high camshaft settings, from which four different fuel maps are created (wide-low, wide-high, narrow-low, narrow-high). The integrated VTEC Controller adjusts the point at which the engine switches from the Lo to Hi cam during acceleration, as well as when the engine switches from the Hi to Lo cam during deceleration.

Venom 400 does:
The VENOM 400™ improves horsepower by as much as 25% through the range of approximately 1,000 to 5,000 RPM. The VENOM 400™ is OBD II compatible. Besides a substantial increase of torque, the VENOM 400™ reduces flat spots or delay time during sudden acceleration. If you have already installed a performance prom, the VENOM 400™ will enhance the vehicle's performance beyond the parameters set by the performance prom. The VENOM 400™ is only active when peak performance is required. During normal driving, the VENOM 400™ remains passive until the microcomputer determines that engine airflow and throttle position warrants increased performance. Normal fuel economy prevails while under normal load. The VENOM 400™ enhances the performance gains achieved by installing an upgraded chip. Whatever the gains are as specified within the chip, they will be magnified through the use of the VENOM 400™. The VENOM 400™ has an off switch so smog certification is achieved when not racing. The VENOM 400™ will not trigger the emission safeguards of today's vehicles. Easy installation in 20-30 minutes with basic hand tools requiring only four electrical connections. Red cockpit LED indicating VENOM 400™ activation. Up to 25% more increase in horsepower throughout the power range of 1,000 to 5,000 RPM (where the vehicles red line is 6,000 RPM). The flat spot or delay found with automatic transmission downshifts, which can be as much as three seconds, is eliminated (when equipped with auto instead of manual). "

All the info is pretty much cut and paste but it should give a good idea of what both do.

 

ok then dcsquirm88 can you tell me what kind of msd box i need??model # and about how much it costs?? i got to run the 75 shot soon to try to shut some people up around here about a certain little LIME GREEN ECLIPSE (5SPD TURBO) beating me??

 

hey also thanks for all that info reading that i now know i must have the V-AFC brand new for the price difference i would be crazy to go with the venom 400 since im hearing that because it was made for the integra i cant use it i hope to be getting something new here soon i hope

 

IM not sure if its the MSD you need but Im sure it helps but I got the MSD Sports Compact Ignition, it cost around $250, I got mine stright from MSD for $170, so it all depends, but youll need to get a coil and thicker wires. over all it will cost a good $300 to $400
but it works

 

ok i talked to venom today they said for $50 they would reprogram the 400 to work on my car but they also said you can not use the venom 400 at the same time with nitrous because the 400 QUOTE "advances your timing something you dont want when running nitrous" you can have them both but not use both at the same time so i think i will end up getting a way to retard my ignition timing or get the V-AFC

 

but they also said you can not use the venom 400 at the same time with nitrous because the 400 QUOTE "advances your timing something you dont want when running nitrous"

Oh damn! I knew I should have dyno'd my car with it off and on. I'll try it after I put on my bottle warmer.

 

I hope dustbuster reads this since he has a venom 400 and zex. By the way I have an msd 6al with a blaster 2 coil.

 

Yeah,

Thanks for the warning!

Zex is still not wired. I dont have the time right now. Maybe this weekend ?????

 

Hey dustbuster, you can use higher octane gas if you don't want to retard the timing.

 

OK, I planned on using 92 or 93 anyway. The Zex instructions say to using higher octane gas.

 

According to zex you should have both 92 or 93 octane gas and retard the ignition timing.

 

how do you retard ignition timing? and would would that do for ya?! when it comes to ingition....

i am definetly----->

 

with that msd 6al can you choose how much you can retard the timing or is it just a set level?? does it retard it just enough for our v6 to run the 75 shot??

 

With msd 6al you can't retard the timing with the msd box itself. You would have to buy one of the turbo msd that can retard timing. My friend thats a mechanic retarded my timing using a timing gun. Its easy to do, you just loosen bolts an the ditributor and trun it backwards to retard the timing. With the gun you know how many degrees you are moving it.

 

whoa that sounds scary i would mess around and do that and the car would never run right again lol

 

now...if you retard the timing enough does that means you will be able to use both the V400 and the N2O? V400 would advance your timing a little and you would be able to use N2O. I don't understand a lot about (WOT) does this occur @ a certain RPM or just when you press the gas all the way? if it is @ a certain RPM the venom would help you till you get there. Just a thought.

ZEX kicks in automaticly? You don't need a button, right?

 

no venom says you cant use them both at the same time(if they say so im listening lol i dont want any problems) WOT stands for wide open throttle the zex kicks in when the switch is on and you give it wide open throttle

 

no they venom says you cant use them both at the same time(if they say so im listening lol i dont want any problems) WOT stands for wide open throttle the zex kicks in when the switch is on and you give it wide open throttle

 

I ran my car over the weekend without the Venom400 on with ZEX on. My car was faster with both the Venom and the ZEX. Even my passenger could tell the difference.

Is it possible at all that they might have told you this since you mentioned ZEX and not there Nitrous kit?

It's hard to find out if indeed the Venom advances timing.

 

i read like half this post because i can't stand it no mo.. heh.. put a nitrous express 75 shot on your car.. and nothing else.. you don't need to retard timing.. you won't need to change the spark plugs to 2 degrees colder.. get new wires.. .. just get a nx kit and install it.. you'll be fine.. despite what articles tell you or instructions.. and with a vafc you can give the engine more fuel for the nitrous.. just run 92+ octane all the time.. and your'll be fine, i did it for a year or so with my bone stock cl and a 75 shot.. and a tree took the best of the car.. so don't worry about it

 

hmm IM NOT SURE BUT THEY SAID NOT TO USE V400 AND NITROUS AT THE SAME TIME I WOULD GET SOME FACTS ON IT BEFORE I TAKE THE RISK OF MESSING UP SOMETHING??

 

The venom 400 does retard your timing which is very BAD for nitrous use. I spoke with NOS and Venom and they both say that using the Venom 400 with nitrous Will blow your engine. Venom has done testing with the venom 400 and their nitrous kit and the test car blew a rod through the block. If you want to blow your engine then use both just my .02.

 

Do you have idea what you are talking about???
Buddy you have to retard your ignition timing to run a any nitrous shot bigger than 55. So if venom 400 did retard your timing it would be a great combo with nitrous but the fact is venom 400 advances timing not retard it.

Hey f0de were did you get your blue valve cover from again?

 

OK THATS IT I WILL NEVER BUY A VENOM 400!!! I AINT TAKING THAT CHANCE I WILL JUST BE TRYING TO GET A V-AFC AND THAT WILL PROBABLY BE IT FOR ME AS FAR AS ENGINE FOR A WHILE IM CONCENTRATING MORE ON THE BODY