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Old 07-27-2015, 12:37 AM
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I find it funny my front drivers side wheel is out 1.5 degrees as well despite an alignment. Any reason what the problem is in yours? My mechanic says its most likely the fact that I have an aftermarket upper control arm.
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No. I'm dropping it back off on Saturday to have the toe brought in - after doing some research I'm thoroughly pissed at myself for not demanding it be fixed on the spot. Toe alignment is brought in w/ adjustments to the tie rods (insofar as I can tell), and being that everything is brand freaking new, this should not have been a problem.

I'll update everyone on Sunday.
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OP! Thanks for the well detailed, well documented procedures!! You should come teach my company a few things...
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Fantastic post, man.

I'm about to take care of a bunch of things already on your list. I'll inspect the rest. It's actually great to hear how much this improved the car.
Old 07-28-2015, 01:41 PM
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I replaced front driver upper control arm with OEM and the toe alignment was off right after. You need to get an alignment.
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Originally Posted by t-rd
I replaced front driver upper control arm with OEM and the toe alignment was off right after. You need to get an alignment.

That was AFTER the alignment!!!
Old 08-11-2015, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathMetal
I’ll be changing to GM Synchromesh (Friction Modified) this weekend.
Hey, how are you liking GM Synchromesh?
Old 08-11-2015, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mikey85
Hey, how are you liking GM Synchromesh?
I'm not. Even at 75k or so, the AMSOIL fluid, which is no longer recommend for our cars for reasons I've not yet researched, simply 'felt' better.
Old 08-14-2015, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathMetal
I'm not. Even at 75k or so, the AMSOIL fluid, which is no longer recommend for our cars for reasons I've not yet researched, simply 'felt' better.
Damn it! And I just bought some. How long have you been on it? Can you tell me more about what you don't like? Does it cause the 3rd gear problem?
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Originally Posted by mikey85
Damn it! And I just bought some. How long have you been on it? Can you tell me more about what you don't like? Does it cause the 3rd gear problem?
Most of us 6MT owners swear by the GM Synchromesh fluid. You have no reason to worry.
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Old 08-15-2015, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Most of us 6MT owners swear by the GM Synchromesh fluid. You have no reason to worry.
This is on point. There's NOTHING wrong the the GMSMFM fluid. I'm of the rare breed that went from OEM > AMSOIL > GM. The GM fluid is absolutely great, I simply prefer the AMSOIL fluid.
Old 08-16-2015, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mikey85
Hey, how are you liking GM Synchromesh?
I've been using the GM stuff since the car had 7K miles on it. Till then I had the 3rd gear problem. Now at 226K and still shifts like butta!
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Most of us 6MT owners swear by the GM Synchromesh fluid. You have no reason to worry.
I think that's more like ALL 6MT owners who've tried it. If there are any dissenters, they're less than 1%,
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Old 08-17-2015, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by acrdr
When it comes to valve adjustment. i have done them to v6 Honda engines anywhere from 90k miles to 190kk miles .most of the time the Intake valves will be loose and Exhaust will have a mix of loose and tight valves.
also miss adjusted valves might cause a check engine light to come on for couple of things.
Miss fire codes on all cylinders
engine running lean
engine running rich.
before someone spends money on new injectors or various sensors i recommend to do a valve adjustment .
most of the time it fixes the problems

+1, fixed my lean CEL.

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Most of us 6MT owners swear by the GM Synchromesh fluid. You have no reason to worry.
+1, shifter feels like a hot knife through butter after switching to this stuff. been running it for like 3 years or so. still shifts fantastic, no issues whatsoever. (at 105k right now)
Old 08-17-2015, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DMZ
I think that's more like ALL 6MT owners who've tried it. If there are any dissenters, they're less than 1%,
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Agreed, my tl loves the stuff. I like it so much I sometimes put a little in my morning coffee! Keeps me regular.
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UPDATE: Recommendation from AMSOIL as follows:

Originally Posted by AMSOIL Rep
Acura upgraded their recommendation. In 2006 the recommendation was P/N 08798-9016, which is AMSOIL MTF. The upgrade is 08798-9031, which the MTF has not been approved as a replacement . As yours is a 2006, you can safely use the AMSOIL MTF Manual Transmission Fluid, in it.
I'll be changing back next summer.
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Most of us 6MT owners swear by the GM Synchromesh fluid. You have no reason to worry.
Originally Posted by DMZ
I've been using the GM stuff since the car had 7K miles on it. Till then I had the 3rd gear problem. Now at 226K and still shifts like butta!
Thanks guys, appreciate the feedback!

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Agreed, my tl loves the stuff. I like it so much I sometimes put a little in my morning coffee! Keeps me regular.
...I'll give that a try too haha!

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This is on point. There's NOTHING wrong the the GMSMFM fluid. I'm of the rare breed that went from OEM > AMSOIL > GM. The GM fluid is absolutely great, I simply prefer the AMSOIL fluid.
Just wondering, what was it that made you prefer AMOSIL more? If you don't mind sharing.
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Originally Posted by mikey85
Just wondering, what was it that made you prefer AMOSIL more? If you don't mind sharing.
Higher kinematic viscosities across test method ASTM D445, higher flash point, etc. It just a more robust fluid.
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Old 10-15-2015, 12:05 AM
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Not to take anything away from this amazing list of parts that Deathmetal has put together for us, but I believe there are some errors in the part numbers that were provided. I personally have decided to follow this list pretty religiously and have just about accumulated the majority of the parts. Here are some errors I found:

-In the "Knuckle" section part number 51220-SDA-A0 should be 51220-SDA-305 (I also see it listed under 51220-SDA-A02)
-In the "Knuckle" section part number 90363-SEP-A01 should be 94201-30220
-In the "PS Knuckle" section there is only one part number listed for the outer tie rod. There should two part numbers because the right and left are different. The right is 53540-SEP-A02 and the left is 53560-SEP-A02.
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wonder how much do all the parts cost?
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Originally Posted by airpeace
wonder how much do all the parts cost?
Posted earlier in thread.

Originally Posted by DeathMetal
ACURA PARTS - $1200
NGK IRIDIUMS - $60
AMSOIL PRODUCTS - $165 (includes cabin and intake filters)
BRAKEMOTIVE SET - $145
OPTIMA RED TOP - $180
PARTS TOTAL = $1710
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Old 07-30-2020, 11:55 AM
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Wow great thread/read. Stumbled here as I am replacing the right front upper control arm and was looking at part numbers to ensure its all good.

I may or may not be keeping my TL but if I were to definitely keep it for at least 10 years, what @DeathMetal did seems very reasonable and a great way to refresh the car to semi-new in driving characteristics.

People always talk about how much money it takes to repair/maintain an older car...and then go out and spend tens of thousands more to get a newer/new car when a very capable platform can be refreshed for much much less.
Old 08-07-2020, 05:10 PM
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great post man!
I saved the excel sheet and will start to accumulate parts for my refresh. currently sitting at 115k miles and definitely have some vibrations
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Old 08-07-2020, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MyGuti
great post man!
I saved the excel sheet and will start to accumulate parts for my refresh. currently sitting at 115k miles and definitely have some vibrations
115k miles?!!?

Man that's a baby TL. She's got a ton more miles left in her!!!
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yeah I plan on keeping her for at least another 10 years
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Old 08-17-2020, 08:43 AM
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Paul Sobstyl is THE MAN, orMr.Scott as I sometimes call him. He's why my ship still runs like new after 16¼ years and 331K miles. I can still do 0-60 in under 6 seconds!

Paul is now in the process of painting and installing '07/8 turn signal mirrors I picked up for under $100 each, the mirrors that should have been on the '04/5/6 TL. The models above and below for '04, the RL, and TSX had them and the first 3,000 3G TL's produced had turn signal mirrors on the window sticker! Obviously, someone at Acura screwed that up.
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That’s a cool fun fact DMZ! First 3k of 3Gs Mistakenly said they had signaling mirrors!
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