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For those who are interested.

My email
Hi. I have a 2012 tsx that's going to have the ct-e supercharger kit
installed. Would l be able to use the 09-10 basemap for my 2012? Since
hondata now supports the 11-14 tsx.

Their response
Hello,

The current calibration will not work with the '11-'14. We are working with
Hondata now to update the calibration. We should have it completed shortly.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Thank you,

Nate Haines
CT Engineering
ph: (916) 635-4550 x.300
fx: (916) 635-4632
nate@ct-engineering.com
www.ct-engineering.com

xtcnrice

damn, I wonder if this means other 09-10 maps from the Hondata calibrations thread is not gonna work on the 11+

iCrap

They probably won't work. I wonder what the difference is though..

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I'm sure they won't work and ct-e confirmed it. That's probaby why they haven't updated their website from "09-10 tsx" over to "09-14 tsx" for the supercharger package.
I'm itching to get the SC kit for my 2012 but only when both hondata and ct-e complete their betas and testing.

I'm with icrap. What IS the difference?

xtcnrice

I took the discussion over to https://acurazine.com/forums/perform...879320/page12/ as I feel this discussion would benefit not just the SC users, but 11+ FP users in general.

UTAH TSX

You dont need the map from CT engineering it is just a starting point it still needs tuned and you can get that from anyone, I like Vit of course

xtcnrice

Yeah just confirm with Vit if he's willing to tune 2011+ TSXs yet (given that FP Man is in beta), and if so, he'll likely not need the starting point flash anyway since he's so experienced. I wouldn't let this bit be the road block to your SC build if someone reputable like Vit can confirm they'll tune the thing for you.

ssjoeboe9

I really needed the base map from CTE because I have been installing other stuff on my car since the original install. There was no point to buying from VIT then turning around and tuning again for small pulley and aftercooler.

I've gone over 5000 miles on the base calibration. Runs pretty rich, blowin black smoke at WOT, but its a good point to start especially if you have other mods coming down the tube, and you're not ready to tune yet.

xtcnrice

Good point.

op should only go ahead at this point if he's confident that SC will be the last perf mod for a long time and that a tune would be worth it. If you're going stage 2 soon after, but not all at once, then yeah you should probably wait it out until Hondata/CT-E iron things out so that you'd at least have a base map to work off of.

Although, you could probably do what I'm going to do with a non-FI setup; take a 09-10 base map and compare it with the 11+, note the differences. Then take a 09-10 tuned map (in your case, the 09-10 CTE SC map) and apply the values to a new 11+ map, and make some changes according to the differences found in the base maps from earlier. This may be more risky for an SC setup, but I'm going to try this out with the non-FI maps when I get a chance.

ssjoeboe9

Yup you should be fine XTC... you'll find quite a difference with the base tune. You'll just have to do some small modifications to the table since you freed up the exhaust. So basically look at Dime's cal, change those values and look at lambda overlay table to check your AFR is on point and you are not knocking. I can help you look at it too if you want, or if you have any questions feel free to post in the OFFICIAL thread.

iCrap

I think you kinda do need the basemap for the SC right?... you wouldn't even be able to drive the car without it, so Vit wouldn't be able to tune the car if it's not drivable.

Can't really install the SC, put no tune on and just start driving around.

optimusaccord

If you utilize Vit as your tuner, he will provide you a base map.

xtcnrice

I think it can be driven, but driveability will probably be very, very low. I thought utah/optimus weren't on any maps when they first got their turbos on? Maybe optimus still had his RV6 PCD + Takeda tune from his local tuner, but I don't think there's a base map tailored to their turbos either.

Thanks! Appreciate it.

optimusaccord

Yes, I used vit, you get a base map with instructions on how to drive the car.

Very straight forward.

You get a tune, he says do X.

You do X while datalogging.

You give him datalog.

New tune comes back.

Do Y this time.

You do Y while datalogging.

Rinse and repeat as needed.

2011 TSX

...and I'm just sittin here in Cali waiting for CTE's CARB approval to come through.

Dime Feng

Lol same here. Isnt cali changing their smog process? Dont they just plug in a thing to the obd2 to check for o2 codes? Cuz i been wondering, hondata can disable the o2 codes and if the smog place sees no codes = pass right? And I know a couple of shops that do not check visual as long as u pass sniffer..

xtcnrice

Does the CTE setup require different injectors, etc? Or is everything else beyond the unit/blower stock?

From what I recall, milder SC units are typically the ones that are CARB approved. For example, when the NSX was sold, some dealerships had an understanding/agreement with Comptech SC, and offered Comptech SC packages straight from the dealership (which I thought was pretty damn cool if you ask me). Anyway, they were very mild applications (stock injectors), and because of that, was CARB legal. Mind you... the NSX at the time was close to perfection anyway, so there really wasn't a need for an extreme SC setup on a road car.

I think if you plan on going stage 2 CT-E, you'll likely never see CARB legal.

iCrap

Yeah of course it requires new injectors. It's part of the kit.

KeystoneJohnny

I recently just saw this kit and a few youtube videos of it and I want one for our 2010 we are getting tomorrow night. I'm like a few others and would like to know what the big changes are for the 2.4 between 09-10 & 11-13. I googled it and couldn't find any definitive answers either way.

xtcnrice

I was too lazy to search . But yeah, there are some SC kits that use stock injectors... which is kinda lame imo

No difference as far as the community knows. It's probably just a difference in the ECU.

Jaheri_cbp

Has anybody tried "stock modding" the injectors? You want to flow match them when doing so the proper way and was popular with the wrx guys back in the day... I know the ones that come in th ct kit are something similar to this.. One of my buddies was running out 21 pounds out of a gt35r big turbo on a street tune with "stock modded" injectors, he said he had them modded and flow matched but that build was so ghetto that my beliefs were he ripped the caps right off of them and shoved them back in smh.. Sad part is he got some big power out of that poor ej20 for a while before blowing her up...

xtcnrice

Part way through reading your post I was wondering if it blew up...

ssjoeboe9

Pretty sure that CTE works some magic on the stock injectors to make them flow 780CC

Jaheri_cbp

Duuuuuude... But it was driven soooooo long like this lol.. Way after he had put it ON too many old orlando "FUEL SLUT" 500hp+ F-bodies and fox bodies like nothing in his lil blue scooby on stock tires lol.. He could smack almost every camaro or mustang on the road.. It took big pro charged or turbo v8's/corvettes/supras to bring him down.. From a dig or roll it didn't matter.. And this was back in 2005 lol

EDIT:
He did blow through a second gear in between all the fun but in his defense I did as well.. Those transmission gear sets were glass and we were both much young dumb full of cum kids trying to impress the ladies with all wheel burnouts lol

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Now is 2015 and they still don't have support for the 11-14 tsx.

xtcnrice

Call CT-E and see what they say. If it's just missing a CT-E SC base map from Hondata for 11+, I'm sure Vit or any tuner could port the 09-10 one over. If it's more complicated than that, only CT-E would know.

Jaheri_cbp

Just buy the kit and have VIT tune it.. I hate to echo previous comments but if you want it bad enough it's just as easy for you 11-14' boys at this point... All that you would lack in comparison to us 09-10 boys is the lack of a base map... Mind you do have to pay Vit for a tune but it is TOTALLY worth it.. He is currently tuning my n/a setup now and I will gladly be paying that retune fee (which is at a cheaper rate) once my supercharger is bolted up... Again it's just as easy for you and the support for it is there..

iCrap

You can't even start the car up though without having a basemap for the SC.

Jaheri_cbp

I will echo optimus and say that vit provides a basemap and is fully capable of what cal is going to be needed to get it up and running.. Along with any other reputable tuner... Vit is just the cheapest and best option out there

Edit: Echo optimus ANNNND Xtc lol

xtcnrice

I'm sure Vit will provide the base map (likely porting the 09-10 one over) if you provide the cash. It's not rocket science... and Vit clearly knows what he's doing. Anyone 11+ who wants the CT-E SC but their excuse is that CT-E's site doesn't say it supports 11+ is slacking.

Just call CT-E to confirm it's just the base map. If it is, Vit will provide it for you if you provide him the funds.

Jaheri_cbp

I don't see what else would differ besides lack of base map... I think the injector size opening changed from 09-10 to 11 but the whole manifold gets swapped out and new injectors are provided with the kit.. I think everything else is the same.

iCrap

Oh i thought Optimus and Utah received basemaps from somewhere else, didn't realize Vit did that as well.

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The basemap isn't my concern. My number one concern is that there might be differences between the 09-10 and 11-14 as far as mechanics go. For example, there are different SC kits for the 1st gen tsx.
I just want CT-E to officially confirm that every part will fit the 11-14.
I have emailed them but still didn't receive a reply.

xtcnrice

Call them, don't email them. It's not hard to get through their line. Emails get lost/ignored/forgotten. If you really want this SC, call them and express your willingness to give them $4k for their product. Them not answering/helping you is THEIR loss, not so much yours.

iCrap

well the 1g isnt even the same engine really.

but yea call them.

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"CT Engineering only accepts calls from authorized dealers." That's what it says on their Contact Us page.

xtcnrice

Hm. Maybe what you can do it get in contact with Marcus from HeelToe. He can be the middle man if you purchase it through him (you can decide not to later on). He's good with communication and dealing with various vendors and such. There's got to be a way.

Mind you, we just want you to get the supercharger because that'd be awesome! Not tryna be a jerk about it

iCrap

wtf kind of policy is that? "nah... we don't want to talk to our customers..."

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Way ahead of you. I just emailed him.

Haha, no shit.

ssjoeboe9

Every mechanical part is the same! Everything bolts on. you have no worry. Go ahead and buy it.