waxing and carnauba?????
01-27-2005, 12:53 AM
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waxing and carnauba?????
I've bought some Meguiars NXT wax and applied it., but then i got ot reading one of the other threads and i think it said NXT didn't have any carnauba. what exactly is carnauba?? Is it better for the shine from a wax? Beecause I read that the NXT is recommended to use because it makes the car shine really well. Also after i cleaned and applied it, it didn't shine as much as i thought it would. Could anyone give me some pointers?
First i washed the car, i used the Mr. Clean's car wash kit and after my car dried, i used the wax applicator and used the NXT wax and then i worked on the car section by section. Then after the wax hazes, i would start to remove all the haze by using a microfiber cloth.
Anything better i could do?
First i washed the car, i used the Mr. Clean's car wash kit and after my car dried, i used the wax applicator and used the NXT wax and then i worked on the car section by section. Then after the wax hazes, i would start to remove all the haze by using a microfiber cloth.
Anything better i could do?
01-27-2005, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Bynon (bettercarcare.com)
Carnauba Wax
Carnauba comes from the fronds of the "tree of life" (Copernicia cerifera) native to Brazil. It is nature's hardest, purest and most transparent wax. Carnauba car waxes tend to produce a deeper, darker, richer shine that is often described as "three-dimensional."
Many enthusiasts and show car owners prefer the shine of carnauba waxes, especially on black, red and other dark colors. Carnauba waxes bead water nicely, absorb the acid content in rain, and hide minor swirls in the paint. My personal favorite is P21S Carnauba Wax, a true show car wax. Compared with other show car waxes, P21S Carnauba Wax is very modestly priced and compares favorably.
On the minus side, carnauba waxes are not as durable as synthetic waxes or sealants. Depending on your climate, a carnauba wax might last between 30 and 60 days. Additionally, some carnauba waxes can be temperamental, occasionally streaking under certain temperature or humidity conditions.
With the limitations of carnauba wax, you might be asking why it continues to have a loyal following. In my own case, I continue to use P21S Carnauba Wax to pamper my show car because I like the way it looks. On my toy, durability is secondary
Carnauba comes from the fronds of the "tree of life" (Copernicia cerifera) native to Brazil. It is nature's hardest, purest and most transparent wax. Carnauba car waxes tend to produce a deeper, darker, richer shine that is often described as "three-dimensional."
Many enthusiasts and show car owners prefer the shine of carnauba waxes, especially on black, red and other dark colors. Carnauba waxes bead water nicely, absorb the acid content in rain, and hide minor swirls in the paint. My personal favorite is P21S Carnauba Wax, a true show car wax. Compared with other show car waxes, P21S Carnauba Wax is very modestly priced and compares favorably.
On the minus side, carnauba waxes are not as durable as synthetic waxes or sealants. Depending on your climate, a carnauba wax might last between 30 and 60 days. Additionally, some carnauba waxes can be temperamental, occasionally streaking under certain temperature or humidity conditions.
With the limitations of carnauba wax, you might be asking why it continues to have a loyal following. In my own case, I continue to use P21S Carnauba Wax to pamper my show car because I like the way it looks. On my toy, durability is secondary
The big difference between Carnauba was and Synthetic Polymers are durability and shine.. Carnauba wax will beat any synthetic in the depth and shine department.. however they only last 1-3 months max, they melt off in the sun... The synthetics have a much longer durability however don't give that perfect showcar shine..
Hope that helped a little
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Good info posted there. Except I find that Carnauba only lasts 2-4 weeks depending on usage. Your synthetic waxes will last 2-3 months.
Garage queen cars with carnauba will last 1-3 months with little to no use.
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Garage queen cars with carnauba will last 1-3 months with little to no use.
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01-27-2005, 06:34 PM
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so is the meguiar's suppose to be Carunauba or synthetic wax? and if it isn't carunauba, then which wax would be good to use and get a really good shine and reflection?
01-27-2005, 08:01 PM
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I beg to differ with the Carnauba vs. Synthetic Polymer qualities....Sorry, just my observations with many, many polymers.....With todays Polymers, its my belief there very equal to looks vs. a carnauba. And with there durability, the #16, S100, Carnauba Moosewax rarely get taken out of my boxes.
The NXt you referred to is a synthetic Polymer, with very mild cleaners in it, but enough to drastically reduce its capablity of layering. I feel it works better on light colors. If your looking for serious Polymer, consider Fourstar or Blackfire. My $.02.
The nature of carnaubas allow 4-6 weeks protection during summer months. Winter months are a different story considering road salts and additional elements...I wouldnt even venture to guess.....
The NXt you referred to is a synthetic Polymer, with very mild cleaners in it, but enough to drastically reduce its capablity of layering. I feel it works better on light colors. If your looking for serious Polymer, consider Fourstar or Blackfire. My $.02.
The nature of carnaubas allow 4-6 weeks protection during summer months. Winter months are a different story considering road salts and additional elements...I wouldnt even venture to guess.....
01-28-2005, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by exceldetail
I feel it works better on light colors. If your looking for serious Polymer, consider Fourstar or Blackfire. My $.02.
The nature of carnaubas allow 4-6 weeks protection during summer months. Winter months are a different story considering road salts and additional elements...I wouldnt even venture to guess.....
The nature of carnaubas allow 4-6 weeks protection during summer months. Winter months are a different story considering road salts and additional elements...I wouldnt even venture to guess.....
01-28-2005, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by andyjl
so which wax would be best for my CL? I have an 03 anthracite, and i used Meguiar's NXT high tech wax once and it didn't leave a great shine. i think its because i' might be missing an important step..i'm gonna have to try claying the car next time though. so yeah would NXT bring out the shine?
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02-01-2005, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by andyjl
I've bought some Meguiars NXT wax and applied it., but then i got ot reading one of the other threads and i think it said NXT didn't have any carnauba. what exactly is carnauba?? Is it better for the shine from a wax? Beecause I read that the NXT is recommended to use because it makes the car shine really well. Also after i cleaned and applied it, it didn't shine as much as i thought it would. Could anyone give me some pointers?
First i washed the car, i used the Mr. Clean's car wash kit and after my car dried, i used the wax applicator and used the NXT wax and then i worked on the car section by section. Then after the wax hazes, i would start to remove all the haze by using a microfiber cloth.
Anything better i could do?
First i washed the car, i used the Mr. Clean's car wash kit and after my car dried, i used the wax applicator and used the NXT wax and then i worked on the car section by section. Then after the wax hazes, i would start to remove all the haze by using a microfiber cloth.
Anything better i could do?
Let NXT, or any polymer product "set" for at least 20 minutes before removal.
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Originally Posted by exceldetail
Let NXT, or any polymer product "set" for at least 20 minutes before removal.
You really think so?... I personally wouldn't remove the NXT a min or two after application...if the product dries too much it turns into waxing dust which can scratch the paint during removal.
Einszett Glanze Wax is a thin liquid which goes on really quick and easy. I would do the entire car with einszett then remove, IMO the NXT would dry too much in the 20 min.
Originally Posted by Dave Bynon.. BetterCarCare articke "How to Wax your Car
3. Work on one area at a time covering 2 to 4 square feet. Some products may allow you to coat the entire car before buffing off, but most do not.
02-02-2005, 12:40 AM
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RF, polymers need time to crosslink, this wipe on, wipe off process I think is inferior to actual proper processes. As for David B's statement, are you sure thats not in referrence to waxes? Ive never had any residual dust with Blackfire, UPP, or NXT. Thin is key with Polys.....
02-02-2005, 07:49 AM
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I've used Meguirs Carnuba up to this point, but plan on switching to a polymer based protectant here in the spring. I'm willing to sacrifice a little "depth" and shine for longer protection...
I was thinking the NXT, but from everything I've read, the Blackfire seems to be the way to go. Not sure where to get it, I'll have to look into that. The Zaino is simply too much work for the sporty family car. I'm thinking bang for the buck (i.e. my time).
So when I go to the Blackfire, do I need to "strip" the old Meguirs off of the car? What would you guys recomend for that? Or, after the 6-8 weeks, do you think the Carnuba is basically gone anyways?
(FYI - I've got an 05 NBP)
I was thinking the NXT, but from everything I've read, the Blackfire seems to be the way to go. Not sure where to get it, I'll have to look into that. The Zaino is simply too much work for the sporty family car. I'm thinking bang for the buck (i.e. my time).
So when I go to the Blackfire, do I need to "strip" the old Meguirs off of the car? What would you guys recomend for that? Or, after the 6-8 weeks, do you think the Carnuba is basically gone anyways?
(FYI - I've got an 05 NBP)
02-02-2005, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkWraith33
I've used Meguirs Carnuba up to this point, but plan on switching to a polymer based protectant here in the spring. I'm willing to sacrifice a little "depth" and shine for longer protection...
I was thinking the NXT, but from everything I've read, the Blackfire seems to be the way to go. Not sure where to get it, I'll have to look into that. The Zaino is simply too much work for the sporty family car. I'm thinking bang for the buck (i.e. my time).
So when I go to the Blackfire, do I need to "strip" the old Meguirs off of the car? What would you guys recomend for that? Or, after the 6-8 weeks, do you think the Carnuba is basically gone anyways?
(FYI - I've got an 05 NBP)
I was thinking the NXT, but from everything I've read, the Blackfire seems to be the way to go. Not sure where to get it, I'll have to look into that. The Zaino is simply too much work for the sporty family car. I'm thinking bang for the buck (i.e. my time).
So when I go to the Blackfire, do I need to "strip" the old Meguirs off of the car? What would you guys recomend for that? Or, after the 6-8 weeks, do you think the Carnuba is basically gone anyways?
(FYI - I've got an 05 NBP)
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