Originally Posted by Daggra105

never think that I would be bias toward a brand of washing soap for cars but
today after washing both cars with two different brands, there are differences.
wasn't even a test; used left over and opened a new bottle.
both purchased at Costco btw.
Turtle Ice Wash and Meguiar's Gold Wash....the result\

I am very impressed with Turtle Ice Wash, left my black car with more shine compared to my other black car, a slicky smooth surface and no streaks.

both cars are black and polished and waxed last week....

definitely recommend storing an extra bottle away before Costco sells out.
just my opinions...

Originally Posted by Hawhyen51

Someone did like a mini-review and mentioned it wasn't as durable as some of the other sealants talked about in this forum. If you're looking at a sealant which is economical as well durable try the Duragloss products. More specifically 105 or 111.

Originally Posted by faboloso

since these are "polishers" would they replace my wax that i'm using or would i still need to wax and then apply these?

Originally Posted by faboloso

since these are "polishers" would they replace my wax that i'm using or would i still need to wax and then apply these?

Originally Posted by faboloso

thanks for the info! the stores near me don't seem to carry duragloss. any over the counter recommendations for polish + wax?

Originally Posted by pohljm

I prefer the Meg's #7 show car polish, and either Meg's #20 or #21 sealants in the professional line, or use the last two steps of the Meg's deep crystal 3step system for an easily obtainable polish and wax

Originally Posted by exceldetail

You do know that #7 leaves trademark oils, that dont sit well with Polymer crosslinking?

Originally Posted by exceldetail

The problems would be evident from a durability standpoint. Not so much an application standpoint.

Originally Posted by pohljm

After discussing the issue that you raised with mike phillips at Meg's, unless you can produce some documentation to back up that statement I will have to call it BS. It sounds very much like Zaino propoganda

Originally Posted by exceldetail

LMAO!
That came from MP! I used his exact quotes. "Megs #7 Show Car Glaze (Not Polish as you referred to) leaves trademark oils".
Factoid: Polymers need a sterile surface to provide the best durability.
Believe it or not. (Coming from a guy who doesnt sell Meguairs products)
PS: Why do most well known OTC Polymer protectants have some type of cleaner built in??
Megs 21
Mothers, to name a couple.

Originally Posted by Mike Phillips

I posted this to a similar thread but thought I would add it to this one also...

I read a lot of people's opinion on this subject on multiple forums and most of the time it relates back to somebody's advice to wash your car with strong detergent soap to remove anything from the surface so that somebody's polymer will bond to the surface.

From one of our chemists...



Here's something else to think about, although in a different industry, there are parallels in the bonding and protecting topic that apply.

Meguiar's created the first mold release wax for the infant mold release industry in 1950. To this date, M08 Maximum Mold Release Wax continues to be one of the most popular mold release waxes in the world.



Recently, Meguiar's introduced a brand new synthetic liquid polymer mold release wax system called Meguiar's Velocity Liquid Synthetic Mold Release System.



Now let me tie this together and show how Meguiar's mold release systems, both paste waxes and liquid synthetic polymer systems are vital to creating finished parts like Yachts, and how important it is that the mold release wax bond, or adhere to the mold.


A new, or green mold is originally prepped by sanding smooth the surface and then compounding the surface to remove the sanding marks.

After that, the mold surface is polished to a high gloss. The smoother and glossier the surface can be made, the smoother and glossier the part being reproduced from the mold will be. This cuts down on post-production finishing work.

Now follow me on this....

The polishes used for machine polishing the molds are both very rich in Meguiar's trade secret polishing oils. These rich polishing oils help to create a brilliant high gloss finish on the mold. The two most used polishes for this process are,

M03 Machine Glaze



M82 Mold Polish



After polishing the mold with either of these two products, Meguiar's recommends applying the mold release wax next, either the traditional paste wax system, or the new liquid synthetic polymer system.

These are to be applied onto the mold surface after polishing, the excess polish is wiped off, but the mold is not washed with dish soap to remove any remaining polishing oils because they are part of the system. As the chemist stated above,




Now it is vital that the mold release wax adhere to the surface to create a barrier coating to prevent the lay-up material, (usually polyester resin with a catalyst), from sticking to the mold. If the mold release wax fails to bond to the surface evenly over the entire surface, to create this barrier layer, then the resin will stick to the mold and the part will not release.

This is called, sticking a mold and it's not a good thing! Imagine sticking a 75' Yacht mold! The owner of the boat building business would be out the mold, the raw materials to make the part, (the part is the yacht), and the labor invested in everything, plus the down time due to the fact that the mold is not producing a sale-able product.

Ouch!

If you have ever worked with polyester resin, or even mixing 2-part epoxy glue together, then you know how sticky these materials are.

Do you understand how important it is now for a mold release wax to bond or adhere to the surface of the mold?

Now think about it for a few minutes... Meguiar's has been producing pure polishes since 1901. We've been making the M03 Machine Glaze since sometime in the 1930's, (I think), maybe 1940's or 1950's, but I'm pretty sure since the 1930's. We've been making mold release wax since 1950, that's 55 years of production for M08 Maximum Mold Release wax.

A lot of boats have been successfully built using Meguiar's mold release wax systems with a long track record of not sticking molds. If Meguiar's though it would be better to wash a mold with dish soap, or wipe it down with a 50/50 mixture of water and Isopropyl Alcohol before applying a mold release wax so that it will properly bond, then we would recommend this and we would have started recommending it a long time ago. But removing any Meguiar's polishing oils from the surface of a mold is not the best way to insure our waxes adhere and thus we don't recommend removing them before applying our waxes in fact just the opposite, we recommend polishing the surface first, and then applying the wax.

While boat molds and car finishes are very different items, the same ideas of cleaning, polishing and then applying a wax apply to both surfaces when using Meguiar's products.

Meguiar's chemists insure that all the products in our systems, whether it's the Velocity Mold Release System, or the Deep Crystal System, work with one another. each product building on the results from the previous product and process. This is called a synergistic compatibility. Each step in the system moving the process forward until the end-result is achieved, a beautiful, high gloss finish.

If your goal is to create a beautiful show car finish on our car, then trust in Meguiar's to see you through to success. We've been helping professionals and enthusiasts around the world to showcase their talents for over 100 years!

Mike

Originally Posted by stogie1020

Not to throw fuel on the fire, but the mold release system is SUPPOSED to release the item being molded, thus the oils will help that particular process (like butter in a cake pan helps the cake out). I don't want anything helping my sealant (if I use one) off of my car, but instead want it to stay on for added durability.

Originally Posted by pohljm

I am done with trying to educate people who cannot read or comprehend information from reliable sources.