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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 09:23 AM
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is it possible to wax to much?

ive been waxing my car either every week or every other week with NXT for the last 2 months....is this harmful in anyway?
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 10:03 AM
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nope. i did this to my last car. after 13 years, the paint felt slick and smooth....except for the chips.
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 10:29 AM
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nope. i did this to my last car. after 13 years, the paint felt slick and smooth....except for the chips.
Yes, actually......
Too much wax can assist in loss of true color, lack of depth, and keep this in mind, everytime you touch your cars surface you are possibly introducing microswirls and scratches.......You may feel the need to wax so frequently because you have introduced swirls, and feel like your filling them with each waxing?
Good therapy, but not necessary!!
You could wax monthly, and maybe QD weekly ??!!
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 11:40 AM
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thanx...i just like the smooth feeling of my car after i was it...thats why i wax it once a week...maybe i'll tone it down and jsut wax every other week and just wash during the weeks in between...

i just feel that if the cars not slippery anymore then their is no wax left and therefore the paints not being protected..am i correct to assume so?...it doesnt seem like wax can last a month or longer...
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 01:57 PM
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also NXT has some mild abbrasives so you are basically not doing any good by layering it. I wax every 4-6 weeks. Every other week may be to much.


NJ, have you ever clayed and polished your car? That could be the difference in the smoothness you are feeling.
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 03:44 PM
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I agree with exceldetail's approach. Once a month (for something like NXT) is fine, QD after each wash. As far as the slickness dropping off, NXT's slickness drops off really quickly for me too. Claying and polishing are factors as well.
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 11:27 PM
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i just feel that if the cars not slippery anymore then their is no wax left and therefore the paints not being protected..am i correct to assume so?...it doesnt seem like wax can last a month or longer...
Theres actually no for sure way to tell if there is any protection left. Just because it doesnt bead, doesnt necessarily mean theres no protection. There are some products that will sheet water after just a couple washes, and yu could still have protection. Its best to devise a regimen and stick to it. I prefer to reseal every season, and complete detail (Clay, polish, smr etc..) every 6 mo.

Wax ? No way ! A sealant, yes....You'll be hard pressed to get wax to last more than a couple, few weeks.....Unless its under ideal conditions, like garage at home, and covered at work, and frequent QD'ing......And lets face it, most of us dont do that. Wax will melt/evaporate before it washes off though, assuming you wash with an automotive wash......You should really cut back to once a month maximum.....
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Old Jun 13, 2004 | 10:30 AM
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Using "wax" will tend to give a yellowing tint with too many coats. A wax like ZAINO will not cause any negative situations, but after 10 -15 coats, the shine will not get any greater, unless you spread out the application time between coats.
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CLpower
also NXT has some mild abbrasives so you are basically not doing any good by layering it. I wax every 4-6 weeks. Every other week may be to much.


NJ, have you ever clayed and polished your car? That could be the difference in the smoothness you are feeling.
ive never polished my car...should i do that (whatever it is)?....but ive clayed it twice already..i plan on doing it every year...4-6 weeks sounds like along time...i dont want any dirt to actually touch my paint...i dont want dirt to ever touch my paint..i want wax between them...is 4-6 weeks enough waxing to satify this?
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by njtls
ive never polished my car...should i do that (whatever it is)?....but ive clayed it twice already..i plan on doing it every year...4-6 weeks sounds like along time...i dont want any dirt to actually touch my paint...i dont want dirt to ever touch my paint..i want wax between them...is 4-6 weeks enough waxing to satify this?
NJ, polishing rejuvinates the oils in the paint, giving it glow and warmth. It also brightens paint by "scrubbing" away dead paint with mild abrasives, or chemical cleaners. It is a necessity to perform this as a ritual! Should be done at a minimum of twice a yr. Claying will remove about 90% of the protection you HAD, on your car. So as it stands now, its fully open the UV damage, and unless you wax as mentioned, 4-6 weeks, industrial fallout will permeate your clear coat also.
4-6 weeks is decent timing if your using wax, sealants wil buy you additional time. But its important to clean the paint prior to waxing/sealing, and this is performed via a quality wash, clay, cleaning, and polish. Use proper products, i.e. microfiber towels, waffle weave towels, sheepskin washimitts. If you should ever have any concerns about car care, and product use or selection, dont hesitate to PM or start a thread that someone with experience as myself or another may be able to assist you! Good luck, happy detailing....
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Old Jun 15, 2004 | 11:08 PM
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hello exceldetail

you make it sound like car paint is alive like human skin. i still dont get it, what does polish do that clay doesnt do or vice versa? ive read a few carcare articles but common sense tells me that they both remove a very thin layer of grime from the top of the car paint, so what does it matter what type of cleaner (clay vs. polish) removes this layer??? unless polish is much more abrasive than clay or adds some type of shine to the car. so if polish is more abrasive, then what do we need to clay for.

i just need to justify the clay step or the polish step cuz im lazy. seems redundant.
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by fighting fish
hello exceldetail

you make it sound like car paint is alive like human skin. i still dont get it, what does polish do that clay doesnt do or vice versa? ive read a few carcare articles but common sense tells me that they both remove a very thin layer of grime from the top of the car paint, so what does it matter what type of cleaner (clay vs. polish) removes this layer??? unless polish is much more abrasive than clay or adds some type of shine to the car. so if polish is more abrasive, then what do we need to clay for.

i just need to justify the clay step or the polish step cuz im lazy. seems redundant.
FF, clay has the ability to either pull, or sheer contaminants away from the surface. Polishing is purely topical,depending on product, and there are many to choose from these days. As said, there either chemical or abrasive. Abrasive polishes can be extremely light, or extremely aggressive. Some break down, some dont. Theres also a combination of chemical/abrasive polishes, sometimes called "cleaners."
Clays will remove what polishes cant, i.e. brake dust (embedded bits of metal), industrial fallout, (chemical pollution), overspray and more.....They will make the paint "feel" smoother by eliminating these problems.
Polishes may only degrade the above mentioned pollutants, but will more effectively than a clay remove dead paint, round the actual vertical edge of a scratch, making it less visible, and renourish the oils in the clear coat, and with that said, it is the single most important step in exterior car care, its what makes the paint "look" good.... Kind of like adding a moisturizer to your skin as you mentioned. But polishes do not add protection to the surface.
Hope that helped ?
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 10:35 AM
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Exceldetail is right,
The clay removes as much contaminates as possible while not being abrasive to your finish. Polish makes it shine, it gives paint depth. Wax or a sealer protects your paint for a given amount of time then needs to be reaplied. You can buy expensive strippers to start from nothing but dawn dish detergent is cheap and very affective. To detail your car properly you should follow these steps. Some people add some and some say there not necessary.

1. Wash with Dawn (strips old wax)
2. (dry car some say dont)
3. CLAY your car
4. Wash your car with regular car wash
5 dry your car good.
6.Polish your car. (if you have swirls use a swirl remover) there are 2 kinds abbrasive and fillers)
7. Wax to seal in the polish.

If you want these are the products i use. I have used everything from mothers, to maguires to liquid glass. All fine products, but nothing has ever worked this good and easy to use. My F-150 had some swirl marks after doing the above process it looked better than the day I got it acouple years ago. I hope this helps Check out their site.
ZAINO CAR POLISH
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 06:56 PM
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Anyone tried this "recommendation" from Acura's Owner Link site: Pro Acura Car Care Spray Cleaner & Polish?
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rescueswimmer
Exceldetail is right,
The clay removes as much contaminates as possible while not being abrasive to your finish. Polish makes it shine, it gives paint depth. Wax or a sealer protects your paint for a given amount of time then needs to be reaplied. You can buy expensive strippers to start from nothing but dawn dish detergent is cheap and very affective. To detail your car properly you should follow these steps. Some people add some and some say there not necessary.

1. Wash with Dawn (strips old wax)
2. (dry car some say dont)
3. CLAY your car
4. Wash your car with regular car wash
5 dry your car good.
6.Polish your car. (if you have swirls use a swirl remover) there are 2 kinds abbrasive and fillers)
7. Wax to seal in the polish.

If you want these are the products i use. I have used everything from mothers, to maguires to liquid glass. All fine products, but nothing has ever worked this good and easy to use. My F-150 had some swirl marks after doing the above process it looked better than the day I got it acouple years ago. I hope this helps Check out their site.
ZAINO CAR POLISH
I am looking into Zaino for the first time - All I see them talk about is their polish. Do they have a wax to seal in the polish?
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TBone2004
I am looking into Zaino for the first time - All I see them talk about is their polish. Do they have a wax to seal in the polish?
Yes, they make a sealer. You do understand, Zaino is a very labor intensive process???
Many, many steps involved, and cure times, wait times ? Why not use Wolfgang, Blackfire, Fourstar????
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by exceldetail
Yes, they make a sealer. You do understand, Zaino is a very labor intensive process???
Many, many steps involved, and cure times, wait times ? Why not use Wolfgang, Blackfire, Fourstar????
I just want something that looks like Zaino. I am very happy with the new NXT, but want to take it further - this blackfire - how does it compare to Zaino (not amount of time to do - just end results)
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 01:30 PM
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thanx...i just like the smooth feeling of my car after i was it...thats why i wax it once a week...maybe i'll tone it down and jsut wax every other week and just wash during the weeks in between...

i just feel that if the cars not slippery anymore then their is no wax left and therefore the paints not being protected..am i correct to assume so?...it doesnt seem like wax can last a month or longer...

Use some Meguiars Quick Detail after the washes and in between waxes - gives it a nice look and feel.
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by exceldetail
You do understand, Zaino is a very labor intensive process??
exceldetail, Just curious on why you think Zaino is labor intenstive. I agree with the cure time can be a bummer but if you use the ZFX it cures in less than an hour. and then you can put another on soon after. It buffs off with no effort. Im not sure what the labor intensive part its but you get one of the best shines out there.
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Old Jun 25, 2004 | 09:58 PM
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Hey, excelD, I dunno if I'm doing the right thing. I have about 3 coats of Liquid Glass. When I start to lose the beading, I used some leftover Zymol and buffed it with a polisher with a MF cloth. The shine was better than before but I don't know if putting wax on top of the LG (acrylic sealant) is OK. Some had said the Wax as U dry is just as good. Any thoughts?
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Old Jun 26, 2004 | 02:28 AM
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Rescue, truthfully, I have never used Z, im just relaying what my fellow Autopians have stated. I do understand it brings a quality shine, but it was always my understanding you needed to put in a little more work than traditional products. The following looks a little "Intensive"....


So wash, clay, Z-1 or ZFX, Z-5 or Z-2, wait an hr, (must be at least 60 deg's) After removal of Zaino Z-2 or Z-5. You should wait 24 hours if the outside temperature is under 70 degrees and 6 hours if over 70 degrees, before applying the next coat of Z-5 or Z-2......then Z-6.....
I dont know....Maybe im old fashioned? lol...
If you detail for a living, or have weekend clients, as i do, It just wouldnt work for me....Im not knocking it, if it works, use it....I just dont have the time to use it....
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Old Jun 26, 2004 | 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by vicman17
Hey, excelD, I dunno if I'm doing the right thing. I have about 3 coats of Liquid Glass. When I start to lose the beading, I used some leftover Zymol and buffed it with a polisher with a MF cloth. The shine was better than before but I don't know if putting wax on top of the LG (acrylic sealant) is OK. Some had said the Wax as U dry is just as good. Any thoughts?
WAUD is GREAt stuff....And theres no problem putting a Carnauba based product over a synthetic, its the other way that wont work too well.....Did you use a pure Carnauba Zymol or the cleaner /wax...?
You know you could QD between washes and extend your waxing periods....And you wouldnt lose any beading...!
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Old Jun 26, 2004 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by exceldetail
WAUD is GREAt stuff....And theres no problem putting a Carnauba based product over a synthetic, its the other way that wont work too well.....Did you use a pure Carnauba Zymol or the cleaner /wax...?
You know you could QD between washes and extend your waxing periods....And you wouldnt lose any beading...!

I use the Carnauba type, the one in the upright bottle, it's old but it still works (smells neat too). Thanks for the info. So I guess I'm doing the right thing. I'll wait until the Zymol runs out then I'll switch to the WAUD. Appreciate the help, bro. Owe you one....
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 10:30 AM
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Another newby car detailer here. I've used the Zymol Cleaner Wax and followed up with NXT. Did I screw up? If so, what should I do to fix it. Finally, what's a recommended polish that can be found in Pep Boys, for example? Should I use the polish instead of the Zymol? Any advice would be appreciated.
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 12:07 PM
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Another newby car detailer here. I've used the Zymol Cleaner Wax and followed up with NXT. Did I screw up? If so, what should I do to fix it. Finally, what's a recommended polish that can be found in Pep Boys, for example? Should I use the polish instead of the Zymol? Any advice would be appreciated.

I think it should be the other way around. Synthetic first then followed by wax.
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 01:32 PM
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I think it should be the other way around. Synthetic first then followed by wax.
Yes, Polymer first then wax, but not cleaner wax.......
As for finding a general use polish at local retail outlet, go with Megs Body Scrub......I dont use many products available locally, sorry i cant be of further assistance.....
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by exceldetail
Yes, actually......
Too much wax can assist in loss of true color, lack of depth, and keep this in mind, everytime you touch your cars surface you are possibly introducing microswirls and scratches.......You may feel the need to wax so frequently because you have introduced swirls, and feel like your filling them with each waxing?
Good therapy, but not necessary!!
You could wax monthly, and maybe QD weekly ??!!
I'm continuing this topic because I also have a question about waxing too often. I live in a hot climate area. Temperature here can reach up to 110 F during summer. My TSX is parked outside under the sun pretty much all the time. I've been waxing my car every other week using NXT, and QD in-between. Should I also cut back to waxing every month also?
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