is it possible to wax to much?
Originally Posted by Daggra105
nope. i did this to my last car. after 13 years, the paint felt slick and smooth....except for the chips.
Too much wax can assist in loss of true color, lack of depth, and keep this in mind, everytime you touch your cars surface you are possibly introducing microswirls and scratches.......You may feel the need to wax so frequently because you have introduced swirls, and feel like your filling them with each waxing?
Good therapy, but not necessary!!
You could wax monthly, and maybe QD weekly ??!!
thanx...i just like the smooth feeling of my car after i was it...thats why i wax it once a week...maybe i'll tone it down and jsut wax every other week and just wash during the weeks in between...
i just feel that if the cars not slippery anymore then their is no wax left and therefore the paints not being protected..am i correct to assume so?...it doesnt seem like wax can last a month or longer...
i just feel that if the cars not slippery anymore then their is no wax left and therefore the paints not being protected..am i correct to assume so?...it doesnt seem like wax can last a month or longer...
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also NXT has some mild abbrasives so you are basically not doing any good by layering it. I wax every 4-6 weeks. Every other week may be to much.
NJ, have you ever clayed and polished your car? That could be the difference in the smoothness you are feeling.
NJ, have you ever clayed and polished your car? That could be the difference in the smoothness you are feeling.
I agree with exceldetail's approach. Once a month (for something like NXT) is fine, QD after each wash. As far as the slickness dropping off, NXT's slickness drops off really quickly for me too. Claying and polishing are factors as well.
i just feel that if the cars not slippery anymore then their is no wax left and therefore the paints not being protected..am i correct to assume so?...it doesnt seem like wax can last a month or longer...
Wax ? No way ! A sealant, yes....You'll be hard pressed to get wax to last more than a couple, few weeks.....Unless its under ideal conditions, like garage at home, and covered at work, and frequent QD'ing......And lets face it, most of us dont do that. Wax will melt/evaporate before it washes off though, assuming you wash with an automotive wash......You should really cut back to once a month maximum.....
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Using "wax" will tend to give a yellowing tint with too many coats. A wax like ZAINO will not cause any negative situations, but after 10 -15 coats, the shine will not get any greater, unless you spread out the application time between coats.
Originally Posted by CLpower
also NXT has some mild abbrasives so you are basically not doing any good by layering it. I wax every 4-6 weeks. Every other week may be to much.
NJ, have you ever clayed and polished your car? That could be the difference in the smoothness you are feeling.
NJ, have you ever clayed and polished your car? That could be the difference in the smoothness you are feeling.
Originally Posted by njtls
ive never polished my car...should i do that (whatever it is)?....but ive clayed it twice already..i plan on doing it every year...4-6 weeks sounds like along time...i dont want any dirt to actually touch my paint...i dont want dirt to ever touch my paint..i want wax between them...is 4-6 weeks enough waxing to satify this?
4-6 weeks is decent timing if your using wax, sealants wil buy you additional time. But its important to clean the paint prior to waxing/sealing, and this is performed via a quality wash, clay, cleaning, and polish. Use proper products, i.e. microfiber towels, waffle weave towels, sheepskin washimitts. If you should ever have any concerns about car care, and product use or selection, dont hesitate to PM or start a thread that someone with experience as myself or another may be able to assist you! Good luck, happy detailing....
hello exceldetail
you make it sound like car paint is alive like human skin. i still dont get it, what does polish do that clay doesnt do or vice versa? ive read a few carcare articles but common sense tells me that they both remove a very thin layer of grime from the top of the car paint, so what does it matter what type of cleaner (clay vs. polish) removes this layer??? unless polish is much more abrasive than clay or adds some type of shine to the car. so if polish is more abrasive, then what do we need to clay for.
i just need to justify the clay step or the polish step cuz im lazy. seems redundant.
you make it sound like car paint is alive like human skin. i still dont get it, what does polish do that clay doesnt do or vice versa? ive read a few carcare articles but common sense tells me that they both remove a very thin layer of grime from the top of the car paint, so what does it matter what type of cleaner (clay vs. polish) removes this layer??? unless polish is much more abrasive than clay or adds some type of shine to the car. so if polish is more abrasive, then what do we need to clay for.
i just need to justify the clay step or the polish step cuz im lazy. seems redundant.
Originally Posted by fighting fish
hello exceldetail
you make it sound like car paint is alive like human skin. i still dont get it, what does polish do that clay doesnt do or vice versa? ive read a few carcare articles but common sense tells me that they both remove a very thin layer of grime from the top of the car paint, so what does it matter what type of cleaner (clay vs. polish) removes this layer??? unless polish is much more abrasive than clay or adds some type of shine to the car. so if polish is more abrasive, then what do we need to clay for.
i just need to justify the clay step or the polish step cuz im lazy. seems redundant.
you make it sound like car paint is alive like human skin. i still dont get it, what does polish do that clay doesnt do or vice versa? ive read a few carcare articles but common sense tells me that they both remove a very thin layer of grime from the top of the car paint, so what does it matter what type of cleaner (clay vs. polish) removes this layer??? unless polish is much more abrasive than clay or adds some type of shine to the car. so if polish is more abrasive, then what do we need to clay for.
i just need to justify the clay step or the polish step cuz im lazy. seems redundant.
Clays will remove what polishes cant, i.e. brake dust (embedded bits of metal), industrial fallout, (chemical pollution), overspray and more.....They will make the paint "feel" smoother by eliminating these problems.
Polishes may only degrade the above mentioned pollutants, but will more effectively than a clay remove dead paint, round the actual vertical edge of a scratch, making it less visible, and renourish the oils in the clear coat, and with that said, it is the single most important step in exterior car care, its what makes the paint "look" good.... Kind of like adding a moisturizer to your skin as you mentioned. But polishes do not add protection to the surface.
Hope that helped ?
Exceldetail is right,
The clay removes as much contaminates as possible while not being abrasive to your finish. Polish makes it shine, it gives paint depth. Wax or a sealer protects your paint for a given amount of time then needs to be reaplied. You can buy expensive strippers to start from nothing but dawn dish detergent is cheap and very affective. To detail your car properly you should follow these steps. Some people add some and some say there not necessary.
1. Wash with Dawn (strips old wax)
2. (dry car some say dont)
3. CLAY your car
4. Wash your car with regular car wash
5 dry your car good.
6.Polish your car. (if you have swirls use a swirl remover) there are 2 kinds abbrasive and fillers)
7. Wax to seal in the polish.
If you want these are the products i use. I have used everything from mothers, to maguires to liquid glass. All fine products, but nothing has ever worked this good and easy to use. My F-150 had some swirl marks after doing the above process it looked better than the day I got it acouple years ago. I hope this helps Check out their site.
ZAINO CAR POLISH
The clay removes as much contaminates as possible while not being abrasive to your finish. Polish makes it shine, it gives paint depth. Wax or a sealer protects your paint for a given amount of time then needs to be reaplied. You can buy expensive strippers to start from nothing but dawn dish detergent is cheap and very affective. To detail your car properly you should follow these steps. Some people add some and some say there not necessary.
1. Wash with Dawn (strips old wax)
2. (dry car some say dont)
3. CLAY your car
4. Wash your car with regular car wash
5 dry your car good.
6.Polish your car. (if you have swirls use a swirl remover) there are 2 kinds abbrasive and fillers)
7. Wax to seal in the polish.
If you want these are the products i use. I have used everything from mothers, to maguires to liquid glass. All fine products, but nothing has ever worked this good and easy to use. My F-150 had some swirl marks after doing the above process it looked better than the day I got it acouple years ago. I hope this helps Check out their site.
ZAINO CAR POLISH
Originally Posted by rescueswimmer
Exceldetail is right,
The clay removes as much contaminates as possible while not being abrasive to your finish. Polish makes it shine, it gives paint depth. Wax or a sealer protects your paint for a given amount of time then needs to be reaplied. You can buy expensive strippers to start from nothing but dawn dish detergent is cheap and very affective. To detail your car properly you should follow these steps. Some people add some and some say there not necessary.
1. Wash with Dawn (strips old wax)
2. (dry car some say dont)
3. CLAY your car
4. Wash your car with regular car wash
5 dry your car good.
6.Polish your car. (if you have swirls use a swirl remover) there are 2 kinds abbrasive and fillers)
7. Wax to seal in the polish.
If you want these are the products i use. I have used everything from mothers, to maguires to liquid glass. All fine products, but nothing has ever worked this good and easy to use. My F-150 had some swirl marks after doing the above process it looked better than the day I got it acouple years ago. I hope this helps Check out their site.
ZAINO CAR POLISH
The clay removes as much contaminates as possible while not being abrasive to your finish. Polish makes it shine, it gives paint depth. Wax or a sealer protects your paint for a given amount of time then needs to be reaplied. You can buy expensive strippers to start from nothing but dawn dish detergent is cheap and very affective. To detail your car properly you should follow these steps. Some people add some and some say there not necessary.
1. Wash with Dawn (strips old wax)
2. (dry car some say dont)
3. CLAY your car
4. Wash your car with regular car wash
5 dry your car good.
6.Polish your car. (if you have swirls use a swirl remover) there are 2 kinds abbrasive and fillers)
7. Wax to seal in the polish.
If you want these are the products i use. I have used everything from mothers, to maguires to liquid glass. All fine products, but nothing has ever worked this good and easy to use. My F-150 had some swirl marks after doing the above process it looked better than the day I got it acouple years ago. I hope this helps Check out their site.
ZAINO CAR POLISH
Originally Posted by TBone2004
I am looking into Zaino for the first time - All I see them talk about is their polish. Do they have a wax to seal in the polish?
Many, many steps involved, and cure times, wait times ? Why not use Wolfgang, Blackfire, Fourstar????
Originally Posted by exceldetail
Yes, they make a sealer. You do understand, Zaino is a very labor intensive process???
Many, many steps involved, and cure times, wait times ? Why not use Wolfgang, Blackfire, Fourstar????
Many, many steps involved, and cure times, wait times ? Why not use Wolfgang, Blackfire, Fourstar????
Originally Posted by njtls
thanx...i just like the smooth feeling of my car after i was it...thats why i wax it once a week...maybe i'll tone it down and jsut wax every other week and just wash during the weeks in between...
i just feel that if the cars not slippery anymore then their is no wax left and therefore the paints not being protected..am i correct to assume so?...it doesnt seem like wax can last a month or longer...
i just feel that if the cars not slippery anymore then their is no wax left and therefore the paints not being protected..am i correct to assume so?...it doesnt seem like wax can last a month or longer...
Use some Meguiars Quick Detail after the washes and in between waxes - gives it a nice look and feel.
Originally Posted by exceldetail
You do understand, Zaino is a very labor intensive process??
Hey, excelD, I dunno if I'm doing the right thing. I have about 3 coats of Liquid Glass. When I start to lose the beading, I used some leftover Zymol and buffed it with a polisher with a MF cloth. The shine was better than before but I don't know if putting wax on top of the LG (acrylic sealant) is OK. Some had said the Wax as U dry is just as good. Any thoughts?
Rescue, truthfully, I have never used Z, im just relaying what my fellow Autopians have stated. I do understand it brings a quality shine, but it was always my understanding you needed to put in a little more work than traditional products. The following looks a little "Intensive"....
So wash, clay, Z-1 or ZFX, Z-5 or Z-2, wait an hr, (must be at least 60 deg's) After removal of Zaino Z-2 or Z-5. You should wait 24 hours if the outside temperature is under 70 degrees and 6 hours if over 70 degrees, before applying the next coat of Z-5 or Z-2......then Z-6.....
I dont know....Maybe im old fashioned? lol...
If you detail for a living, or have weekend clients, as i do, It just wouldnt work for me....Im not knocking it, if it works, use it....I just dont have the time to use it....
So wash, clay, Z-1 or ZFX, Z-5 or Z-2, wait an hr, (must be at least 60 deg's) After removal of Zaino Z-2 or Z-5. You should wait 24 hours if the outside temperature is under 70 degrees and 6 hours if over 70 degrees, before applying the next coat of Z-5 or Z-2......then Z-6.....
I dont know....Maybe im old fashioned? lol...
If you detail for a living, or have weekend clients, as i do, It just wouldnt work for me....Im not knocking it, if it works, use it....I just dont have the time to use it....
Originally Posted by vicman17
Hey, excelD, I dunno if I'm doing the right thing. I have about 3 coats of Liquid Glass. When I start to lose the beading, I used some leftover Zymol and buffed it with a polisher with a MF cloth. The shine was better than before but I don't know if putting wax on top of the LG (acrylic sealant) is OK. Some had said the Wax as U dry is just as good. Any thoughts?
You know you could QD between washes and extend your waxing periods....And you wouldnt lose any beading...!
Originally Posted by exceldetail
WAUD is GREAt stuff....And theres no problem putting a Carnauba based product over a synthetic, its the other way that wont work too well.....Did you use a pure Carnauba Zymol or the cleaner /wax...?
You know you could QD between washes and extend your waxing periods....And you wouldnt lose any beading...!
You know you could QD between washes and extend your waxing periods....And you wouldnt lose any beading...!
I use the Carnauba type, the one in the upright bottle, it's old but it still works (smells neat too). Thanks for the info. So I guess I'm doing the right thing. I'll wait until the Zymol runs out then I'll switch to the WAUD. Appreciate the help, bro. Owe you one....
Another newby car detailer here. I've used the Zymol Cleaner Wax and followed up with NXT. Did I screw up? If so, what should I do to fix it. Finally, what's a recommended polish that can be found in Pep Boys, for example? Should I use the polish instead of the Zymol? Any advice would be appreciated.
Originally Posted by Booker
Another newby car detailer here. I've used the Zymol Cleaner Wax and followed up with NXT. Did I screw up? If so, what should I do to fix it. Finally, what's a recommended polish that can be found in Pep Boys, for example? Should I use the polish instead of the Zymol? Any advice would be appreciated.
I think it should be the other way around. Synthetic first then followed by wax.
Originally Posted by vicman17
I think it should be the other way around. Synthetic first then followed by wax.
As for finding a general use polish at local retail outlet, go with Megs Body Scrub......I dont use many products available locally, sorry i cant be of further assistance.....
Originally Posted by exceldetail
Yes, actually......
Too much wax can assist in loss of true color, lack of depth, and keep this in mind, everytime you touch your cars surface you are possibly introducing microswirls and scratches.......You may feel the need to wax so frequently because you have introduced swirls, and feel like your filling them with each waxing?
Good therapy, but not necessary!!
You could wax monthly, and maybe QD weekly ??!!
Too much wax can assist in loss of true color, lack of depth, and keep this in mind, everytime you touch your cars surface you are possibly introducing microswirls and scratches.......You may feel the need to wax so frequently because you have introduced swirls, and feel like your filling them with each waxing?
Good therapy, but not necessary!!
You could wax monthly, and maybe QD weekly ??!!
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