ARGH! Why can't they come up with a wax that has the results of a polish/wax (like NXT), without the polish? Yeah, I know, the reason NXT works so well is because of the polish, but I hate the thought of taking layers off my clear coat; especially when my car is out in the elements all the time. :banghead: Oh well, I'll stick to my Gold class stuff and clay bars (which yield great results, but I'm sure polish/wax would look even more clear). Rant over...

 

next does not remove your clear coat..it's a synthetic ploymer wax with very mild cleaning and some filling. It won't remove any clear coat.

 

NXT sealants cleaning ability is so minimal, its not even worth mentioning ! Seriously, per Meguiars, its of very little value as a cleaning/polishing product.....Your completely safe using it in regards to damaging your clear coat.......

 

Yeah, but here's the thing. I called up Meguiars today and spoke to one of their product specialists. I was suspicious of the NXT because it said it removed swirl marks and light surface scratches, and the guy confirmed that the NXT did have polish. "To bring out the finish color" to use his words exactly. So I asked him if that meant removing some of the surface to get down to an un-oxidized coat (aka, rubbing the surface layer off a little, taking the swirl marks and scratches with it). The guy said "No, polish just makes it look pretty." So, the guy really didn't have a clue what polish is or how it works. I know it wont strip the entire clear coat off in one application, but at the frequency I wax my car (which is after every time I wash it - which comes out to once a week depending on the weather), a polish wax could add up and get through the clear coat. Don't get me wrong, NXT gives some amazing results, but I don't think the long term impact on my car, at the frequency I apply wax, is going to be positive.

 

Orca, i seriously dont think you have anything to worry about. I was at the Autopia day at Meguiars last week, and i asked the same question, he assured me it was so small of an amt, he didnt even consider it a cleaner/polish at all. Why you wax with every wash (weekly) with a polymer is beyond me, thats what QD's are for, and very non-abrasive cleaning methods are what you want with your frequency....Also, consider the fact that every time you clean your cars surface, you may be introducing new swirl marks or spiderwebbing.....If your going to wax with every wash, you may want to switch over to a carnauba, which may be more pure than a processed polymer protectant. Your not using the NXt to any advantage based on your frequency of application.......

 

You're probably right, but still, the thought of taking anything off a cars surface doesn't help me sleep at night. I lost some faith in the Meguiars staff after that phone call - so I don't know what to believe when I talk to them. Not that I think they're lieing, but if you think about it, saying your product removes some of the surface it's applied to isn't exactly a good marketing strategy.

I do all my work by hand, that way I'm less likely to put swirl marks in my paint, and I strip the car of wax from time to time to prevent spiderwebs. I thought about QD's, but figured washing is better for the car than using a QD where there's an oppertunity to pick something up in the sponge and scratch the finish (not that you don't run the same risk with washing). I also thought about carnuba waxes, since they usually last much longer than the synthetics, but I haven't found one that I like; hence the constant use of the gold wax.

 

Let me put it this way - you could wash and NxT your car every week for the next 5 years and never ever get close to getting through the Clear coat. When you wash your car you ar scratching the clear, when you dry your car you are scratching the clear..it just happens...I detail my car monthy using a Porter Cable and various products including swirl removers, polishes, glazes, sealants and waxes...I'm not going to go through my clear...your not going to go through yours..

 

Orca, carnaubas last nowhere near as long as synthetics.....Im telling you your safe with NXT! Even Goldclass has synthetics in it !! As for removing clearcoat, every detailer knows you remove an ever so miniscule portion over time, and were fine with that !! Consider using a QD, they leave the surface slick, and assist in detering dust attraction ! You may end up only washing every other week !

 

Meguiar's offers two types of polishes, Cleaner Polishes and Pure Polishes. Cleaner Polishes are for removing very light or fine defects while restoring a crystal clear, smooth high gloss surface. Pure polishes are for finishes already in excellent condition and are for the purpose or creating brilliant high gloss with deep dark reflections.

If you look in Webster's Dictionary under the word polish, one of the definitions they include reads like this:

"A preparation that is used to produce gloss, and often color for the protection and decoration of a surface."

This definition best describes Meguiar's Pure Polishes. Meguiar's pure polishes are designed to create brilliant high gloss while preparing the surface for the application of a protective coating.

Meguiar's pure polishes accomplish this without the use of abrasives.

Another definition found in Webster's Dictionary for polish is,

"To make smooth and glossy by friction."

This definition best describes Meguiar's Cleaner/Polishes. Meguiar's cleaner polishes are formulated to very gently abrade the surface with Meguiar's Diminishing AbrasiveTM and Buffered AbrasiveTM technology to remove the finest defects and create a perfectly smooth, high gloss finish.

Depending on what type of paint you're working on, traditional paints like lacquers and enamels, or catalyzed clear coats, Meguiar's has the products specifically designed to work on both types of paints, not to mention many other surfaces such as plastics and polyester resins (Fiberglas Gel-coats).


Meguiar's Trade Secret Polishing Oils

The trade secret oils Meguiar's uses in both types of polishes are unique to the industry and to this day have never been surpassed for creating deep, dark reflections and brilliant high gloss by any of our competitors in over 100 years.

The oils Meguiar's uses are also important in maintaining the original condition of the paint by filling in the naturally occurring microscopic pores and surface imperfections thus preventing detrimental substances and elements as simple as water, or worse, acid-rain, from entering into these pores and microscopic surface imperfections thus causing oxidation and chemical etching. These oils act to replace the original resins as they wear away through natural processes.

 

I'm just an amature and don't know much about waxing, so I have a few questions.

1. If I use Meguires NXT, how much punishment can it take before I have to reapply it? (Like, how many times can I hand wash my car, weather, etc.)

2. What do you guys mean by QD?

 

You can tell when you need to reapply. When the water does not bead well and does not sheet off during a rinse. Rule of thumb is probably every three months. QD - Quick Detailer - a mist spray that can restore gloss and slickness after washing.

 

So basically NXT is just lasts like any other wax, right?

Also, are spray on waxes considered QD? Do they remove any clearcoat?

 

No a sealant (which is what NxT is) should last longer than a carnuba wax - Spray on waxes (NxT has one) is what the call a booster wax - it applys like a wax in that you have to spread it and wait for it to haze then remove it. A quick detailer has no wax in it just shine enhancers and what not to boost the shine of the paint between waxes..that is basically a spray and wipe type of product. Both spray wax and QD are just fine for your clear coat.

 

There's no point in using NXT wax every week when you wash your car anyway since it is not a layerable product (like Zaino). So all you are doing is spending time appying it and removing it, and wasting the product since you're just wiping off everything you've just spread on....it doesn't even get into the paint. Adding more coats of NXT doesn't do anything.....not like when you add coats and coats of Zaino to improve it.

 

Not entirley true there Nxt can be layered but any product is only going to benefit you from two to three layers at the most (even Zaino although not having used that particular sealant I have heard 5~6 is actually the sweet spot for zaino). There are die hards in both the sealant and carnuba camp that will say 10-20 layers is possible and I have seen a blue RSX that was noticable darker with 10 coats of a carnuba product called Trade Secret so I cannot argue that point..NxT is a great easy use product for paint with little to no paint defects and applying it every week (if you want to) will only enhance the paint and finish and keep it defect free..no you won't get 52 layers, and I personally would say use the tech wax once a month and just use the wax booster weekly if you want to make it easier.

 

Thanks for all your help groebuck. Now I under stand something about waxing.

 

Great article on Autopia about waxing, different waxes -vs- polymers.

http://www.autopia-carcare.com/autopia/inf-wax.html

 

Thanks for the link, those show car tips are great.

Now, I have another question because I just got some NXT after hearing so much about it ($15, ouch! Better be worth it).

It's been about 2.5 weeks since I waxed my car with liquid TutleWax (regular kind). Since then my car has sat in the rain for 5 days (for about 2-3 hours per day) and I washed (at a car wash) once in between (wash and dry, that's it). I just hand washed my car and the water was still beading and the car still looks shiny.

Should I, or can I, use NXT on it? Or should I use some Black Magic QD spray on it?

 

You can use the Nxt or the QD..the NxT will just remove the previous wax and lay down it's polymer protection....or you can QD and wait till you think it needs it..it's all up to you and your elbows

 

Forgive me for barging in, but... you would have to wax your car 100 times or more with NXT to reduce clearcoat thickness a measurable amount. The fact that the product contains an "abrasive" does not mean jack. The kaolin clay in NXT is like talcum powder.

~ David

 

Welcome aboard David......

 

This NXT is a new product, much like the Eagle one Nanowax I guess. At $15.00 a bottle, they're not cheap either. I use Liquid Glass (in the Gold can) which is around $17.00 a bottle from Pep Boys. It is a layerable sealant (acrylic I think) and so far has given me superb results. I found it better on lighter colored metallics than on dark or bright solids. I have used this product for years and together with a QD spray and Microfiber cloth, I am able to keep the shine on my SSM at least until the cold snap arrives. With experience, I have been applying it in layers (2-4 coats per year) and get great results when I "bake" it under the sun for a few hours, then run a random-orbit polisher with a MF pad.

Now my question is this, am I missing out on this "newer" generation of polish/waxes like NXT/ Nanowax or should I just keep sticking to the LG? Is it any different/ less work/ better results?? Could the experts please enlighten me?

 

Lucky Bastard!! I wish I could have gone down for that... I was at Meguiars Canada yesterday, picking up a few hundread dollars worth of product, I should have inquired about info seminars/classes there..

Most commercially sold Meguiars products will not remove scratches, they cover them up (even though SCRATCH X does have abrasives in it, iif not used with a buffer, it will only hide the scratch, not remove it). untill you wash the car a few more times and you can see them again... They will trick your eyes into thinking the scratch isn't there..
There are products made "for professional use only" by Meguiars. They contain abrasives in them to remove some clear coat to get holograms, spiderwebbing, surface scratches, etc.... Most of thoes products have to (for best resuts) be applied with a rotary buffer or a orbital.. Most orbitals will not work for this...it has to be a PorterCable style polisher... not the Symonize orbital that you can get at a walmart, it's way to slow and low powered......

I wouldn't worry at all about taking off clear coat with your hand....... When people burn through their paint it is not because they have buffed away all of the clear coat...They accidently put pressure on the side of the buffer which burns away all of the lubrication (wax/polish) very fast.. And now they have a dry, rough pad rubbing on their clean paint.... that's what creates the heat and burns the paint away, not the abrasives in the polish...

 

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isnt there a twelve step program for people like you?

i hope you do more thna care for your own car with a few hundred bucks worth of stuff . . .