My personal experience
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I WILL consider it.
Though like I said, at this point, I feel like I've already come past the point of no return.
Didn't know though, that sharing my honest experience would get me attacked here though.
I thought this community was better than that.
Guess now I'm the villain and it's open season to attack me, because I've shared a non-success story.
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Who said I was an "enthusiast"? There are maybe 2 dozen people at the most in Wash & Wax who are professionals and/or product dealers. Those are enthusiasts. The rest of us just like to have a clean-ass car. Owning a porter cable and spending money on car care products does not make one an enthusiast.
Come on now. Being able to detail your car yourself is not as simple as "owning a porter cable and spending money on products".
This is one place you are being dishonest right here.
If you detail cars for money, you are a professional. You don't have to be a professional however, to be an "enthusiast".
An enthusiast is someone who is interested enough in something that it becomes a hobby.
If thise were simple as "mowing the lawn", THEN it'd be simple as owning the equipment, and performing the chore.
Your story of non-success is only annoying because I, and many others, watched you post thread after thread in your failing attempt to "detail". When it didn't go your way, you came here for help but you displayed a defeatist attitude from the get-go. It's pretty clear by your threads/posts that you expected perfection the first go around.
Dude, maybe you should become a counselor.
You seem to be pretty astute at diagnosing people, and that's just over the internet. Imagine what you could do if you actually KNEW somebody!
People offered help and valuable advice and now with this thread YOU created you are throwing it in everyone's faces to "DO NOT DO IT YOURSELF!!!". Pathetic.
I'm sorry you feel like I'm "throwing something in your face".
From MY perspective, I'm sharing my experiences.
It's what I'd want someone to do for me, if they had difficulties.
If someone just came back from crossing a desert, I wouldn't want them to lie to me, and tell me to just take a few bottles of water. I'd want them to tell me that I had better be prepared to go through some very adverse things, in order to succeed.
I'm not sure what your angle is for calling me dishonest, but I don't really give a shit about that since I don't know you, nor would I care to based on your sniveling posts.
Come on now. Being able to detail your car yourself is not as simple as "owning a porter cable and spending money on products".
This is one place you are being dishonest right here.
If you detail cars for money, you are a professional. You don't have to be a professional however, to be an "enthusiast".
An enthusiast is someone who is interested enough in something that it becomes a hobby.
If thise were simple as "mowing the lawn", THEN it'd be simple as owning the equipment, and performing the chore.
Your story of non-success is only annoying because I, and many others, watched you post thread after thread in your failing attempt to "detail". When it didn't go your way, you came here for help but you displayed a defeatist attitude from the get-go. It's pretty clear by your threads/posts that you expected perfection the first go around.
Dude, maybe you should become a counselor.
You seem to be pretty astute at diagnosing people, and that's just over the internet. Imagine what you could do if you actually KNEW somebody!
People offered help and valuable advice and now with this thread YOU created you are throwing it in everyone's faces to "DO NOT DO IT YOURSELF!!!". Pathetic.
I'm sorry you feel like I'm "throwing something in your face".
From MY perspective, I'm sharing my experiences.
It's what I'd want someone to do for me, if they had difficulties.
If someone just came back from crossing a desert, I wouldn't want them to lie to me, and tell me to just take a few bottles of water. I'd want them to tell me that I had better be prepared to go through some very adverse things, in order to succeed.
I'm not sure what your angle is for calling me dishonest, but I don't really give a shit about that since I don't know you, nor would I care to based on your sniveling posts.
I guess you consider YOUR opinion matters, and anyone whom disagrees with you doesn't.
Do you go around living your life that way?
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TSXin: I understand where you are coming from...detailing a car is HARD work, it really is! However I think that the reason that everybody is so "up in arms" about, is the way that you came to the forum to complain about it not working out for you, instead of asking for other methods, or other things that you could have tried.
Just remember, "practice makes perfect". If you REALLY want your car to look great, instead of taking it to a professional, keep on trying to get it right! Although you have already tried 4 times, keep going, find the inner drive to do it! Because your car will look TEN times better, when you get it right yourself then it will when you take it to a pro. You WILL be proud of the job you did when you finally get it right, and that in itself should be enough of a spark to keep you trying.
Just remember, "practice makes perfect". If you REALLY want your car to look great, instead of taking it to a professional, keep on trying to get it right! Although you have already tried 4 times, keep going, find the inner drive to do it! Because your car will look TEN times better, when you get it right yourself then it will when you take it to a pro. You WILL be proud of the job you did when you finally get it right, and that in itself should be enough of a spark to keep you trying.
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TSXin: I understand where you are coming from...detailing a car is HARD work, it really is! However I think that the reason that everybody is so "up in arms" about, is the way that you came to the forum to complain about it not working out for you, instead of asking for other methods, or other things that you could have tried.
Just remember, "practice makes perfect". If you REALLY want your car to look great, instead of taking it to a professional, keep on trying to get it right! Although you have already tried 4 times, keep going, find the inner drive to do it! Because your car will look TEN times better, when you get it right yourself then it will when you take it to a pro. You WILL be proud of the job you did when you finally get it right, and that in itself should be enough of a spark to keep you trying.
Just remember, "practice makes perfect". If you REALLY want your car to look great, instead of taking it to a professional, keep on trying to get it right! Although you have already tried 4 times, keep going, find the inner drive to do it! Because your car will look TEN times better, when you get it right yourself then it will when you take it to a pro. You WILL be proud of the job you did when you finally get it right, and that in itself should be enough of a spark to keep you trying.
I really appreciate your post.
And I haven't given up altogether.
Actually I can't, because this car isn't going anywhere.
I AM frustrated though, that it has taken me this much time and effort, and I still am having major troubles, and my paint looks like shhh.
And the thing is, that I HAVE been asking for help, and other methods!!!
After a while though, you get a little discouraged.
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Hmmm...I've been on the fence about this myself. I have a NBP TL and it looks amazing...till the sun hits it...then I can see the spiderwebbing etc. Now, I've read how much work is invovled in keeping it from getting scratches again and I'm almost sold on being satisfied with how great the paint looks to the untrained eye. Until I started reading on the forums, I never even noticed imperfections like swirls. Ignorance is truly bliss.
Anyway, aside from your anger and frustration coming across and being redistributed at people for not appreciating your attitude about this. I DO appreciate the fact that you took the time to try and warn people. I'm anal as it is...and I own a house that could ALWAYS use new projects. If I spend any more time (read: 11 hours applying Zaino process for the first time) on my car, my girlfriend may start looking elsewhere. Lol.
Either way...good to hear the good with the bad when making decisions like pulling the trigger on a PC and some other products.
I have to say that when reading this...I was originally thinking you might be a detailer trying to get more business. Ha ha.
-J.
Just be patient...and do it in stages so you do a good job, AND do as much as you feel like doing that day and stop. You can always pick up where you left off and continue the process until you seal it! Good luck! Someone mentioned that you were using dirty pads because you didn't clay?! I don't know...maybe wash the pads and start off with the claying. I did clay on my whole car and nothing really came off of it but I think that's a step you shouldn't skip.
Anyway, aside from your anger and frustration coming across and being redistributed at people for not appreciating your attitude about this. I DO appreciate the fact that you took the time to try and warn people. I'm anal as it is...and I own a house that could ALWAYS use new projects. If I spend any more time (read: 11 hours applying Zaino process for the first time) on my car, my girlfriend may start looking elsewhere. Lol.
Either way...good to hear the good with the bad when making decisions like pulling the trigger on a PC and some other products.
I have to say that when reading this...I was originally thinking you might be a detailer trying to get more business. Ha ha.
-J.
Just be patient...and do it in stages so you do a good job, AND do as much as you feel like doing that day and stop. You can always pick up where you left off and continue the process until you seal it! Good luck! Someone mentioned that you were using dirty pads because you didn't clay?! I don't know...maybe wash the pads and start off with the claying. I did clay on my whole car and nothing really came off of it but I think that's a step you shouldn't skip.
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I really appreciate your post.
And I haven't given up altogether.
Actually I can't, because this car isn't going anywhere.
I AM frustrated though, that it has taken me this much time and effort, and I still am having major troubles, and my paint looks like shhh.
And the thing is, that I HAVE been asking for help, and other methods!!!
After a while though, you get a little discouraged.
And I haven't given up altogether.
Actually I can't, because this car isn't going anywhere.
I AM frustrated though, that it has taken me this much time and effort, and I still am having major troubles, and my paint looks like shhh.
And the thing is, that I HAVE been asking for help, and other methods!!!
After a while though, you get a little discouraged.
OP,
Seriously, you just need to be more patient. Take a couple of weeks off from detailing and do something else. The more frustrated you are, the worse your results will be. The time off might give you a new perspective.
It's too bad you don't have another car to practice on, I "perfected" my technique before I even touched my own car.
Seriously, you just need to be more patient. Take a couple of weeks off from detailing and do something else. The more frustrated you are, the worse your results will be. The time off might give you a new perspective.
It's too bad you don't have another car to practice on, I "perfected" my technique before I even touched my own car.
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hmmm...i've been on the fence about this myself. I have a nbp tl and it looks amazing...till the sun hits it...then i can see the spiderwebbing etc. Now, i've read how much work is invovled in keeping it from getting scratches again and i'm almost sold on being satisfied with how great the paint looks to the untrained eye. Until i started reading on the forums, i never even noticed imperfections like swirls. Ignorance is truly bliss.
Anyway, aside from your anger and frustration coming across and being redistributed at people for not appreciating your attitude about this. I do appreciate the fact that you took the time to try and warn people. I'm anal as it is...and i own a house that could always use new projects. If i spend any more time (read: 11 hours applying zaino process for the first time) on my car, my girlfriend may start looking elsewhere. Lol.
Either way...good to hear the good with the bad when making decisions like pulling the trigger on a pc and some other products.
I have to say that when reading this...i was originally thinking you might be a detailer trying to get more business. Ha ha.
-j.
Anyway, aside from your anger and frustration coming across and being redistributed at people for not appreciating your attitude about this. I do appreciate the fact that you took the time to try and warn people. I'm anal as it is...and i own a house that could always use new projects. If i spend any more time (read: 11 hours applying zaino process for the first time) on my car, my girlfriend may start looking elsewhere. Lol.
Either way...good to hear the good with the bad when making decisions like pulling the trigger on a pc and some other products.
I have to say that when reading this...i was originally thinking you might be a detailer trying to get more business. Ha ha.
-j.
thank you!!
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OP,
Seriously, you just need to be more patient. Take a couple of weeks off from detailing and do something else. The more frustrated you are, the worse your results will be. The time off might give you a new perspective.
It's too bad you don't have another car to practice on, I "perfected" my technique before I even touched my own car.
Seriously, you just need to be more patient. Take a couple of weeks off from detailing and do something else. The more frustrated you are, the worse your results will be. The time off might give you a new perspective.
It's too bad you don't have another car to practice on, I "perfected" my technique before I even touched my own car.
Norm, I appreciate all the help you have tried to give me.
You really reached out personally, and I sincerely appreciate that.
It's not that I think that detailing a car is "impossible", I'm just frustrated at how much of my life this whole thing has taken up.
Like I said, at this point I'm past the point of no return.
Still though, I re-tried this weekend with both the CG polish, and then the Optimum polish. While the results WERE improved, there is still a significant amount of scratches.
I know I know that I have to "be patient", and "keep trying", and all that......
I'm really stressed out and tired at this point though.
I had no idea it was going to be THIS difficult.
The one thing I can say positive about this forum, is there is a GREAT amount of helpful advice.
I have stated countless times in the past, my appreciation for that.
And I never have stated that people on this forum were not very willing to try be helpful.
I simply think though, that the difficulty involved is something I did not hear about, and is underestimated, and something I think that other newcomers should be aware of.
I know if I were aware of all this from the beginning?
I would have hired someone like you, and been done moved on with my life, attending to other issues!!!
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Wow. After weeks of people going out of their way to help you here, you lash out at anyone who isn't blowing sunshine up your ass. That's not how detailing works, and certainly not how life works.
Before you go on your eventual tirade against me for having a 'crap attitude,' let me deflect some of your criticism:
* I'm not a professional detailer
* I just started learning technique a month ago
I've noted a few times that I thought you were trying to do too much, too fast. Reading and posting doesn't obtain experience or knowledge. I don't know why you decided you needed to purchase a PC right away. I've been very pleased with the results I've gotten from starting slowly, learning to appreciate the art form that is detailing. Because if you think it's anything other than that, you're mistaken. And being such, it's not cut out for everyone. If your car was in that bad of shape, you should have had someone obtain a level of correction suitable for you and learn to maintain it from there. AFAIK, you've never even posted pictures of what your car looks like, because there's people even in here that are still asking for them.
I feel your pain about owning a NBP. Pretty much everything shows up in direct sunlight. But it's not like it can't be fixed by an amateur. I've seen too many rejuvenations by the pros here and on autopia to know that with enough practice and product, you can fix pretty much anything short of clear damage (damn).
I just spent the last two weekends detailing my dad's vehicle for Father's Day. I'm not all that happy with the results, because there is some deeper water marks than I'm familiar with correcting. Because of experience, and the lack of a machine. I know that if I were to try it right now, I'd probably do more damage than correction. I know my limits, something that I don't think you do. Or patience. But guess what? My dad was thrilled with what I did. And all I did was a wash, clay, polish and wax. Didn't even really do a good job cleaning the wheels or wells because I don't have a great brush. It's all about perspective.
If you can't do it, and throw a fit, then sell your stuff (or even your car) and move on. I messed up my first engine rebuild. Was I pissed? Sure. But you learn more from failure than success. As long as you don't try to throw your detailing equipment through the screen at the people who've been trying to help you.
You've most likely earned a temporary ban for being an ass. I hope it gives you some time to cool off and reflect.
*waits for the attack*
Before you go on your eventual tirade against me for having a 'crap attitude,' let me deflect some of your criticism:
* I'm not a professional detailer
* I just started learning technique a month ago
I've noted a few times that I thought you were trying to do too much, too fast. Reading and posting doesn't obtain experience or knowledge. I don't know why you decided you needed to purchase a PC right away. I've been very pleased with the results I've gotten from starting slowly, learning to appreciate the art form that is detailing. Because if you think it's anything other than that, you're mistaken. And being such, it's not cut out for everyone. If your car was in that bad of shape, you should have had someone obtain a level of correction suitable for you and learn to maintain it from there. AFAIK, you've never even posted pictures of what your car looks like, because there's people even in here that are still asking for them.
I feel your pain about owning a NBP. Pretty much everything shows up in direct sunlight. But it's not like it can't be fixed by an amateur. I've seen too many rejuvenations by the pros here and on autopia to know that with enough practice and product, you can fix pretty much anything short of clear damage (damn).
I just spent the last two weekends detailing my dad's vehicle for Father's Day. I'm not all that happy with the results, because there is some deeper water marks than I'm familiar with correcting. Because of experience, and the lack of a machine. I know that if I were to try it right now, I'd probably do more damage than correction. I know my limits, something that I don't think you do. Or patience. But guess what? My dad was thrilled with what I did. And all I did was a wash, clay, polish and wax. Didn't even really do a good job cleaning the wheels or wells because I don't have a great brush. It's all about perspective.
If you can't do it, and throw a fit, then sell your stuff (or even your car) and move on. I messed up my first engine rebuild. Was I pissed? Sure. But you learn more from failure than success. As long as you don't try to throw your detailing equipment through the screen at the people who've been trying to help you.
You've most likely earned a temporary ban for being an ass. I hope it gives you some time to cool off and reflect.
*waits for the attack*
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TSXin,
I am sorry but this is the first post of yours I have read so I am not familiar with your previous questions. A couple things I can say just from reading this post is...
1. You are probably not using an aggressive enough polish
2. you may not be using an aggressive enough pad.
That would be my starting point. Optimum polish is very weak in my opinion and more so pad dependent if you have a rotary, in other words you can get different results from it depending on your pad choice. I for one do not believe the PC is powerful enough though to drastically make much difference with the pad, you will notice much more by changing your polish. Have you been using a COMPOUND such as optimum compound (orangish color) or optimum hyper compound (white), menzerna power gloss is good and my favorite is Meguiars M105 Ultracut compound because it cuts well yet leaves very little haze.
Sometimes if you are using an aggressive compound you will remove the swirls but make a "Haze" from the aggressiveness of the compound. If you simply follow that up with a milder polish the haze goes away and you are looking at a top notch finish. This can usually be done with 2 steps but sometimes may require 3 steps although this is usually necessary with a rotary polisher not a PC.
The other problem you may be experiencing is the paint on the car you are working on is extremely Hard. In this case results will be slow going for sure. You may need to compound the same panel 10x to remove the defects. If this is the case you want the most aggressive polish/pad combo you have. If you try OP with any pad the car will Laugh at you!
I always try a mild or medium polish/pad combo first and see how well it work then climb the latter from there and go more aggressive if you need to. What getsw me is people who start detailing but only buy a medium grade polish and expect awesome results. I suggest everyone starting out buy a good compound such as M105, medium polish such as Menzerna Super Intensive Polish and a light finishing polish like Menzerna 106FA or 3m Ultrafina. With these products you can pretty much tackle any job. Some will take longer that others but that depends alot on the hardness of the paint.
Do you have any pictures of before and after? I am sure we can help you alot better if we can see what you are experiencing?
Keep the Faith!
I am sorry but this is the first post of yours I have read so I am not familiar with your previous questions. A couple things I can say just from reading this post is...
1. You are probably not using an aggressive enough polish
2. you may not be using an aggressive enough pad.
That would be my starting point. Optimum polish is very weak in my opinion and more so pad dependent if you have a rotary, in other words you can get different results from it depending on your pad choice. I for one do not believe the PC is powerful enough though to drastically make much difference with the pad, you will notice much more by changing your polish. Have you been using a COMPOUND such as optimum compound (orangish color) or optimum hyper compound (white), menzerna power gloss is good and my favorite is Meguiars M105 Ultracut compound because it cuts well yet leaves very little haze.
Sometimes if you are using an aggressive compound you will remove the swirls but make a "Haze" from the aggressiveness of the compound. If you simply follow that up with a milder polish the haze goes away and you are looking at a top notch finish. This can usually be done with 2 steps but sometimes may require 3 steps although this is usually necessary with a rotary polisher not a PC.
The other problem you may be experiencing is the paint on the car you are working on is extremely Hard. In this case results will be slow going for sure. You may need to compound the same panel 10x to remove the defects. If this is the case you want the most aggressive polish/pad combo you have. If you try OP with any pad the car will Laugh at you!
I always try a mild or medium polish/pad combo first and see how well it work then climb the latter from there and go more aggressive if you need to. What getsw me is people who start detailing but only buy a medium grade polish and expect awesome results. I suggest everyone starting out buy a good compound such as M105, medium polish such as Menzerna Super Intensive Polish and a light finishing polish like Menzerna 106FA or 3m Ultrafina. With these products you can pretty much tackle any job. Some will take longer that others but that depends alot on the hardness of the paint.
Do you have any pictures of before and after? I am sure we can help you alot better if we can see what you are experiencing?
Keep the Faith!
You really tried to detail your car without claying? That's why you fucked up. It's no ones fault but yours, you are obviously not cut out for this.
If you weren't trying to make a hobby out of it then why did you spend 400 dollars? Sounds like you didn't follow the advice that everyone gave you because you thought you knew better, you fucked up, and now it's everyones fault but yours.
Follow the tips or gtfo. I'd be more than happy to buy your shit off of you.
I am in no way a pro, but the advice they gave me when I fucked my car up was simple.
Wash
clay
polish
take your time
fix your errors
judging from your posts it's seems like you lack patience and discipline; two traits that anyone who wants to take care of a car needs.
If you weren't trying to make a hobby out of it then why did you spend 400 dollars? Sounds like you didn't follow the advice that everyone gave you because you thought you knew better, you fucked up, and now it's everyones fault but yours.
Follow the tips or gtfo. I'd be more than happy to buy your shit off of you.
I am in no way a pro, but the advice they gave me when I fucked my car up was simple.
Wash
clay
polish
take your time
fix your errors
judging from your posts it's seems like you lack patience and discipline; two traits that anyone who wants to take care of a car needs.
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You really tried to detail your car without claying? That's why you fucked up. It's no ones fault but yours, you are obviously not cut out for this.
If you weren't trying to make a hobby out of it then why did you spend 400 dollars? Sounds like you didn't follow the advice that everyone gave you because you thought you knew better, you fucked up, and now it's everyones fault but yours.
Follow the tips or gtfo. I'd be more than happy to buy your shit off of you.
I am in no way a pro, but the advice they gave me when I fucked my car up was simple.
Wash
clay
polish
take your time
fix your errors
judging from your posts it's seems like you lack patience and discipline; two traits that anyone who wants to take care of a car needs.
If you weren't trying to make a hobby out of it then why did you spend 400 dollars? Sounds like you didn't follow the advice that everyone gave you because you thought you knew better, you fucked up, and now it's everyones fault but yours.
Follow the tips or gtfo. I'd be more than happy to buy your shit off of you.
I am in no way a pro, but the advice they gave me when I fucked my car up was simple.
Wash
clay
polish
take your time
fix your errors
judging from your posts it's seems like you lack patience and discipline; two traits that anyone who wants to take care of a car needs.
The reason there is no thread of this sort when you came here (or EVER for that fact) is that people who had negative results with their detail, came here, posted threads for the purpose of getting constructive criticism and advice, and kept a POSITIVE ATTITUDE and kept working on it.
I realize you've already posted those threads and there have been nothing but people helping you get in the right direction.
But "wasted the past four fucking weekends"? Give me a break. If that's all you're willing to devote to your car before starting this thread, you aren't cut out for this, plain and simple.
Leave your bad experience as just that, a case of someone with a bad experience. But to tell amateurs "DO NOT DO IT YOURSELF!!!" is just wrong.
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It's real easy to run your mouth on an internet forum, yet when it comes time to show and prove, you want to come up with lame excuses.
I just stated that I was willing to be shut up, and totally change my take, if you or Patrick or ANYONE could prove it to me.
You want to list all these "instructions" out, and then blame the newbie when they don't have success.
That pretty much says it all.
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Not to sound discourteous (which i bet i will), but I highly doubt anyone (enthusiast or profession or any sane individual) would touch you with a 10 mile stick at this point, in fear of ruin reputation or worst a new outrageous thread.
I just stated that I was willing to be shut up, and totally change my take, if you or Patrick or ANYONE could prove it to me.
You want to list all these "instructions" out, and then blame the newbie when they don't have success.
That pretty much says it all.
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Not to sound discourteous (which i bet i will), but I highly doubt anyone (enthusiast or profession or any sane individual) would touch you with a 10 mile stick at this point, in fear of ruin reputation or worst a new outrageous thread.
To the OP: Please check the attitude and understand that people are going to disagree with you. No need to argue with everyone who does not agree with your opinion.
That said, if you don't want to come off as the boy who cried wolf, try not to put "DO NOT DO IT YOURSELF!!!" in all caps in your subject line, next time. It comes off looking a little excessive and really sets the wrong tone for the discussion.
That said, if you don't want to come off as the boy who cried wolf, try not to put "DO NOT DO IT YOURSELF!!!" in all caps in your subject line, next time. It comes off looking a little excessive and really sets the wrong tone for the discussion.
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To the OP: Please check the attitude and understand that people are going to disagree with you. No need to argue with everyone who does not agree with your opinion.
Actually I wasn't interested in arguing with anyone. I simply wanted to create a post that warned other new people like myself, that this isn't as easy as many make it out to be.
And yes, many people DID say that it would be easy. If need be, I can go back and copy and paste exact posts, where people say that you shouldn't hire a pro detailer, because it's easy to do it yourself, and only takes 6-8 hours, and after that all you have to do is wash every couple weeks.
As a matter of fact, here's one:
Cmon mang, do it yourself! It takes about 6-8 hours depending on how good of a job you do.
Buffer + 3 applicator bonnets + 3 stages of polish + clay bar w/ mothers detailing spray = amazing looking paint.
Well guess what, I have spent a MONTH trying to get the initial detail right, and I am not happy about it.
And so when people can't appreciate or respect that, and then add insult to injury, guess what a frustrated person is going to do?
It'd be nice if we could always abuse people whom we didn't want to hear from, or who speak a message we don't want to deal with, and expect them to just take our abuse. That's what politics are like. People want to force THEIR views onto others, instead of listening and respecting the views of others.
Throughout this whole thread, everyone here has basically CONFIRMED my OP -
Detailing is not easy, and is going to take a considerable investment to learn how to do.
And I think newcomers should be told this.
So if you don't have a problem with newcomers being told that this can be VERY difficult, and can take up a LOT of your personal time (and basically becomes a hobby), then there is no reason to attack ME, for speaking this perspective/opinion.
I've pretty much stated what I need to on that, so I'm done, but moderator, it'd be nice if you checked the people who have been insulting towards ME. If that's asking for too much so be it.
That said, if you don't want to come off as the boy who cried wolf, try not to put "DO NOT DO IT YOURSELF!!!" in all caps in your subject line, next time. It comes off looking a little excessive and really sets the wrong tone for the discussion.
Actually I wasn't interested in arguing with anyone. I simply wanted to create a post that warned other new people like myself, that this isn't as easy as many make it out to be.
And yes, many people DID say that it would be easy. If need be, I can go back and copy and paste exact posts, where people say that you shouldn't hire a pro detailer, because it's easy to do it yourself, and only takes 6-8 hours, and after that all you have to do is wash every couple weeks.
As a matter of fact, here's one:
Cmon mang, do it yourself! It takes about 6-8 hours depending on how good of a job you do.
Buffer + 3 applicator bonnets + 3 stages of polish + clay bar w/ mothers detailing spray = amazing looking paint.
Well guess what, I have spent a MONTH trying to get the initial detail right, and I am not happy about it.
And so when people can't appreciate or respect that, and then add insult to injury, guess what a frustrated person is going to do?
It'd be nice if we could always abuse people whom we didn't want to hear from, or who speak a message we don't want to deal with, and expect them to just take our abuse. That's what politics are like. People want to force THEIR views onto others, instead of listening and respecting the views of others.
Throughout this whole thread, everyone here has basically CONFIRMED my OP -
Detailing is not easy, and is going to take a considerable investment to learn how to do.
And I think newcomers should be told this.
So if you don't have a problem with newcomers being told that this can be VERY difficult, and can take up a LOT of your personal time (and basically becomes a hobby), then there is no reason to attack ME, for speaking this perspective/opinion.
I've pretty much stated what I need to on that, so I'm done, but moderator, it'd be nice if you checked the people who have been insulting towards ME. If that's asking for too much so be it.
That said, if you don't want to come off as the boy who cried wolf, try not to put "DO NOT DO IT YOURSELF!!!" in all caps in your subject line, next time. It comes off looking a little excessive and really sets the wrong tone for the discussion.
Well I wasn't trying to have a discussion nor debate, about detaling not being easy, and that hiring a pro detailer was a good and valuable option for many.
I was a person quite frustrated and upset, being honest in sharing my experience, so that others don't get caught in the same trap.
I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't want to get locked into spending numerous hours and days on this stuff. As a matter of fact, I KNOW I'm not, because many people outside of this forum told me and told me not to take this route. After reading posts on this forum about how "easy" it was, and how much better things would turn out, I decided to take this route - and I am sorry that I did.
If anyone wants to argue with that, and refer me in a derogatory way, that certainly isn't innocent.
And excuse me, but I am not "whining", because I am not asking anyone on this thread for anything. I'm simply stating the FACT that learning to detail your car is anything but easy, and I wish I had not taken this route, and I'd suggest to anyone like me, who doesn't want to get sucked into a new "hobby", to hire a professional.
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And as for the people who give helpful advice and tips - THAT IS AWESOME!!!!
But that is a different subject.
I never said people here were anything less than EXTREMELY helpful, in offering advice and wisdom, in helping a person do their car on their own.
As a matter of fact, anyone who WANTED to do their car on their own, I'd most definitely refer them to this forum.
But again, that's a separate issue.
NO ONE should be defensive, about me saying that detailing is not easy, and takes a lot of time, and that there are some people like me, whom are not interested in investing that required time and effort in detailing a car their self.
But that is a different subject.
I never said people here were anything less than EXTREMELY helpful, in offering advice and wisdom, in helping a person do their car on their own.
As a matter of fact, anyone who WANTED to do their car on their own, I'd most definitely refer them to this forum.
But again, that's a separate issue.
NO ONE should be defensive, about me saying that detailing is not easy, and takes a lot of time, and that there are some people like me, whom are not interested in investing that required time and effort in detailing a car their self.
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In all honesty I can see why you're frustrated because you think you just destroyed your $30K car. However if you had posted a "Help" thread rather than what seems like a bitching session you would've gotten a more positive response from everyone here. You keep sayin "this is what happens when someone shares a non success story?" but you're not exactly sharing it like you're looking for help. It comes off as a rant thread that's trying to discourage others from trying something that you dont seem to be good at.
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In all honesty I can see why you're frustrated because you think you just destroyed your $30K car. However if you had posted a "Help" thread rather than what seems like a bitching session you would've gotten a more positive response from everyone here. You keep sayin "this is what happens when someone shares a non success story?" but you're not exactly sharing it like you're looking for help. It comes off as a rant thread that's trying to discourage others from trying something that you dont seem to be good at.
Well I wasn't trying to have a discussion nor debate, about detaling not being easy, and that hiring a pro detailer was a good and valuable option for many.
I was a person quite frustrated and upset, being honest in sharing my experience, so that others don't get caught in the same trap.
I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't want to get locked into spending numerous hours and days on this stuff. As a matter of fact, I KNOW I'm not, because many people outside of this forum told me and told me not to take this route. After reading posts on this forum about how "easy" it was, and how much better things would turn out, I decided to take this route - and I am sorry that I did.
If anyone wants to argue with that, and refer me in a derogatory way, that certainly isn't innocent.
And excuse me, but I am not "whining", because I am not asking anyone on this thread for anything. I'm simply stating the FACT that learning to detail your car is anything but easy, and I wish I had not taken this route, and I'd suggest to anyone like me, who doesn't want to get sucked into a new "hobby", to hire a professional.
Seriously, for someone who is supposedly close to being 40 years of age, you are either immensely bitter or immensely dense.Take a step back and re-read your original post with an objective eye or share it with someone close to you who can read it objectively. It comes off as being angry and bitter, instead of open-minded and seeking assistance. On top of that, your entire tone this thread has been angry and bitter, like someone ripped you off. That makes it immensely difficult for people who may be willing to help you actually justify the assistance.
If you wanted to just share your opinion, you could have chosen to do that, but left the pity party tone and bitterness out of it. Sure we understand that you are frustrated, but there are ways to convey that sentiment without making yourself looks foolish, which is all you have managed to accomplish here.
Do yourself a favor and stop posting in this thread.
If you genuinely want help with something, then start a new thread without the attitude.
If you just wanted a place to bitch, you have done enough of that, thank you for sharing.
If you continue to be argumentative with people who are trying to help you out, then you will be receiving a short vacation from the site.
Stop while you are ahead and everyone can get back to contributing useful things to the site.
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TSXinSouthBayCalifornia,
I changed your thread title so hopefully it will tone down the responses.
I agree with everyone here, no one ever said it was a simple process. There are techniques that you need to master.
I think your thread set people off. You make generalizations that no one but a professional can detail a car. Obviously not true. Work on techniques and you'll master the art.
I changed your thread title so hopefully it will tone down the responses.
I agree with everyone here, no one ever said it was a simple process. There are techniques that you need to master.
I think your thread set people off. You make generalizations that no one but a professional can detail a car. Obviously not true. Work on techniques and you'll master the art.
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It's a new trip I'm on where I'm trying to be accepting to other people's opinions and not pushing my ideas on them.
Kinda like trying to convince the rest of the world that ice cream sucks, just because you think so (WHAT!??!!, lol).
Or maybe it's the 12+ years of customer service that I've gotten that makes me more sensitive to how I word things at work, with friends, and in my relationship.
I think below is an example of a good way to have approached this whole thing. Again, just my perspective...not knocking your feelings.
Thread Title: "If you're considering getting into detailing, READ THIS FIRST"
Thread Body:
I was recently convinced that detailing my own car would be manageable and easy. I am somewhat handy but am having a hard time getting decent results. After having spent a bundle of money and especially time and effort...I feel like friggin crying I'm so frustrated. I don't know what to do...start a F/S thread to try and recoup some of my money and then go hire a guy to professionally detail my car every 6 months....or sit back and relax for a few weeks read a little more about it and give it another go.
I just wanted to reach out to anyone thinking about getting into this yourself...think hard and long about it because it is an all consuming hobby"....
That's all.
It's like mountain biking...I first went out to Markham Park and thought, dang, I'll NEVER be able to climb that or drop down that...then...with practice and the right equipment...what do you know...I have a ball doing it and don't even get hurt.
Rome wasn't built in a day. That being said, I can aprpeciate your frustration and I'm really sorry that you feel duped and trapped since you spent the money already and would prefer to get out of it. That is a sucky feeling...but usually a fleeting feeling and things will be ok soon enough. I had a similar feeling recently when I did the accord retrofit foglight thing to my TL...got started and then I almost cried when I felt stuck and had already cut the bezels and my bumper...and it turned out ok.
Another possible solution...since you spent upward of 400 bucks and a good detail can cost that much...why don't you barter your products you bought and hand them over to a professional along with your new PC and tell him if he details your car he can keep it all. Sounds fair!
Jeremy.
Kinda like trying to convince the rest of the world that ice cream sucks, just because you think so (WHAT!??!!, lol).
Or maybe it's the 12+ years of customer service that I've gotten that makes me more sensitive to how I word things at work, with friends, and in my relationship.
I think below is an example of a good way to have approached this whole thing. Again, just my perspective...not knocking your feelings.
Thread Title: "If you're considering getting into detailing, READ THIS FIRST"
Thread Body:
I was recently convinced that detailing my own car would be manageable and easy. I am somewhat handy but am having a hard time getting decent results. After having spent a bundle of money and especially time and effort...I feel like friggin crying I'm so frustrated. I don't know what to do...start a F/S thread to try and recoup some of my money and then go hire a guy to professionally detail my car every 6 months....or sit back and relax for a few weeks read a little more about it and give it another go.
I just wanted to reach out to anyone thinking about getting into this yourself...think hard and long about it because it is an all consuming hobby"....
That's all.
It's like mountain biking...I first went out to Markham Park and thought, dang, I'll NEVER be able to climb that or drop down that...then...with practice and the right equipment...what do you know...I have a ball doing it and don't even get hurt.
Rome wasn't built in a day. That being said, I can aprpeciate your frustration and I'm really sorry that you feel duped and trapped since you spent the money already and would prefer to get out of it. That is a sucky feeling...but usually a fleeting feeling and things will be ok soon enough. I had a similar feeling recently when I did the accord retrofit foglight thing to my TL...got started and then I almost cried when I felt stuck and had already cut the bezels and my bumper...and it turned out ok.
Another possible solution...since you spent upward of 400 bucks and a good detail can cost that much...why don't you barter your products you bought and hand them over to a professional along with your new PC and tell him if he details your car he can keep it all. Sounds fair!
Jeremy.
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I am not going to add anything else that has already been said. However, TSXinSouthBayCalifornia, I can not speak for Patrick (a.k.a. Exceldetail) but since he is also located in So. Cal you may want to have him detail your car and that would be a great oportunity to gain some technique and wisdom from a pro. We have all been through the frustration of not obtaining the results we would like. That is part of the learning process.
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Seriously, for someone who is supposedly close to being 40 years of age, you are either immensely bitter or immensely dense.Take a step back and re-read your original post with an objective eye or share it with someone close to you who can read it objectively. It comes off as being angry and bitter, instead of open-minded and seeking assistance. On top of that, your entire tone this thread has been angry and bitter, like someone ripped you off. That makes it immensely difficult for people who may be willing to help you actually justify the assistance.
If you wanted to just share your opinion, you could have chosen to do that, but left the pity party tone and bitterness out of it. Sure we understand that you are frustrated, but there are ways to convey that sentiment without making yourself looks foolish, which is all you have managed to accomplish here.
Do yourself a favor and stop posting in this thread.
If you genuinely want help with something, then start a new thread without the attitude.
If you just wanted a place to bitch, you have done enough of that, thank you for sharing.
If you continue to be argumentative with people who are trying to help you out, then you will be receiving a short vacation from the site.
Stop while you are ahead and everyone can get back to contributing useful things to the site.
Thank you for mis-characterizing me, insulting me, and then threatening me with your moderating privileges.
I guess that makes me "ahead" right?
I play along with your characterization?
Do what you have to tough guy.
But I didn't come here to "bitch", nor did I come here to argue.
I came here to share my personal experience with other newcomers, and no I didn't attempt to make it "politically correct", because I am not a political person.
If you or others feel so threatened over the notion that newcomers may have EXTREME difficulties in starting this new hobby, then that is YOUR problems and not mine.
I did not direct my OP at anyone.
It was simply sharing my experience, and stating that it wasn't as easy for me, as maybe it might be to everyone else.
Despite all of yours and others insults (nice job as a moderator, by the way - personally insult people, and then lecture them as though you are morally superior), I think I am an average Joe, average amateur, who is at least successful enough in life to purchase a luxury car.
If I'm having this much trouble, I think it's reasonable to assume that others might too.
But hey tough guy, if it makes you feel like something to talk to a grown man in a condescending and bullying way, and making personal insults (like calling somebody a fool), then do your thing.
I've been called an asshole, amongst many other things on this thread, but you as a moderator can't even get yourself to address THAT?
Whatever dude.
On MY end, it's nothing personal.
I didn't set out to address anyone personally, blame anyone personally, or say anything political.
I COULD quite easily have done such.
I COULD have started blaming people, and done all of that, if I was REALLY interested in "bitching".
As much as you superior guys run your mouths with labels like bitching, perhaps you should all take a look in the mirror as to how fuckin sensitive, and how drama-oriented you are.
But no, it's always easier to point a finger at somebody else right?
It's much easier to stand with a group, and think that you are better than somebody else right?
Yeah, and you aren't "argumentative"??
To any newcomer reading this thread (assuming it won't be deleted, as was suggested earlier), again I reiterate being cautious about setting down this path.
As much as people will encourage you to join in on the hobby that THEY love, if you start to have difficulties, and things don't go well, and you don't tout the company lines and join in with the "rah rah", "detailing yourself is great" rhetoric, you can see the type of treatment you will get.
I only hope that my bad experience, can save you or others.
And to the sensitive little bitches who want to talk shit over the internet (including even a moderator)?
Take a look in the mirror, and if you really are against arguing, then stop running your mouths while ganging up on one person.
Bullying people while being part of a group versus one person, is NOT impressive.
Oh yeah, and "CGTSX2004", I DID go back a re-read my OP.
So what if it comes off as "angry and bitter"?
It wasn't directed at anybody personally.
If you all are that insecure and sensitive as a group of people, where you get that butt hurt over hearing the frustrating experience of someone else, then that is YOUR problem and not mine.
You ain't even in my position - so what the fuck are YOU ALL whining about?!!!
I'M the one with the bad experience.
Yet a bunch of grown ass men, want to complain because I didn't sugar coat me sharing my experience and making it politically acceptable for y'all???
And the irony of talking about what is "bitch-like"???
But yeah tough guy, show me what a man you are by flexing your big moderator muscles.
I'll still be me, and you'll still be you.
You being a moderator doesn't make you right, and it certainly doesn't make me inferior to you.
Not by a long shot.
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In all honesty I can see why you're frustrated because you think you just destroyed your $30K car. However if you had posted a "Help" thread rather than what seems like a bitching session you would've gotten a more positive response from everyone here. You keep sayin "this is what happens when someone shares a non success story?" but you're not exactly sharing it like you're looking for help. It comes off as a rant thread that's trying to discourage others from trying something that you dont seem to be good at.
So what?
Is THAT how sensitive you guys are?
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It's a new trip I'm on where I'm trying to be accepting to other people's opinions and not pushing my ideas on them.
Kinda like trying to convince the rest of the world that ice cream sucks, just because you think so (WHAT!??!!, lol).
Or maybe it's the 12+ years of customer service that I've gotten that makes me more sensitive to how I word things at work, with friends, and in my relationship.
I think below is an example of a good way to have approached this whole thing. Again, just my perspective...not knocking your feelings.
Kinda like trying to convince the rest of the world that ice cream sucks, just because you think so (WHAT!??!!, lol).
Or maybe it's the 12+ years of customer service that I've gotten that makes me more sensitive to how I word things at work, with friends, and in my relationship.
I think below is an example of a good way to have approached this whole thing. Again, just my perspective...not knocking your feelings.
Jeremy, that's cool, but I'm not a "politically correct" type of guy.
ESPECIALLY not when I think I'm speaking to other grown men.
Figured I could speak honestly, without having to sugar coat it like that.
And to be honest, I'm a little fuckin frustrated.
So if other people read that an amateur has had bad results and ended up extremely frustrated, and in the place that I'm at, then that is the exact way it should read, because that is the exact way it is.
Why sugar coat the truth???????????????????????
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TSXinSouthBayCalifornia,
I changed your thread title so hopefully it will tone down the responses.
I agree with everyone here, no one ever said it was a simple process.
Well then maybe you need to read the post I quoted above, where people DID say it was a simple process.
If you like, I can copy and paste some more posts like that.
If you're not interested in being objective though, then I understand.
I think your thread set people off. You make generalizations that no one but a professional can detail a car. Obviously not true. Work on techniques and you'll master the art.
I changed your thread title so hopefully it will tone down the responses.
I agree with everyone here, no one ever said it was a simple process.
Well then maybe you need to read the post I quoted above, where people DID say it was a simple process.
If you like, I can copy and paste some more posts like that.
If you're not interested in being objective though, then I understand.
I think your thread set people off. You make generalizations that no one but a professional can detail a car. Obviously not true. Work on techniques and you'll master the art.
That is a distortion.
What I said was that unless you want to make this a personal hobby and invest a ton of your time and energy, you should hire a professional.
And if you have to change the title of the thread so that newcomers won't see that others are having difficulties, I think that's effd up and dishonest.
Ya know, not everyone else wants to pursue the hobby of detailing that you guys have.
Instead of trying to force that on people, maybe you might want to consider that not everybody else loves what you love, and not everybody else wants to spend their time and energy polishing a car.
I don't know, just a suggestion, for the dudes who are so full of personal suggestions for others.
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I am not going to add anything else that has already been said. However, TSXinSouthBayCalifornia, I can not speak for Patrick (a.k.a. Exceldetail) but since he is also located in So. Cal you may want to have him detail your car and that would be a great oportunity to gain some technique and wisdom from a pro. We have all been through the frustration of not obtaining the results we would like. That is part of the learning process.
I attempted to hook up with him NUMEROUS times, but for whatever reason never could.
Asked him just yesterday to feel free to "shut me up", and offered to apologize humbly to everyone here and declare myself a "rare idiot", at the cost of fixing my fucked up paint job after using his products -
No response.
That's what gets me. So many people are willing to run their mouth over the internet, but when it comes time to show and prove, all these tough guys and know-it-alls are nowhere to be found.
There ARE others however, that are willing to reach out.
I've actually received numerous PMs from people who were very willing to help in a real way (without insulting me, and asking me to kiss their ass).
I've also received a few PMs from a few people thanking me for sharing my experience, but don't want to say so here for fear of being ganged up on like me.
Politics suck, but I'll still stand firm.
Thanks though, for your post. I appreciate it.
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I attempted to hook up with him NUMEROUS times, but for whatever reason never could.
Asked him just yesterday to feel free to "shut me up", and offered to apologize humbly to everyone here and declare myself a "rare idiot", at the cost of fixing my fucked up paint job after using his products -
No response.
Asked him just yesterday to feel free to "shut me up", and offered to apologize humbly to everyone here and declare myself a "rare idiot", at the cost of fixing my fucked up paint job after using his products -
No response.
I posted this yesterday.....
Again, there is obviously a huge amount of room for improvement. I suggest, you settle down, and start with the basics of polishing. Alot of that has been reiterated in the threads you have supplied.
YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL ME ALSO. However, if we do not get in a constructive line of communication, the conversation may end abruptly. Support is free, aggravation will have cost us both a waste of time.
YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL ME ALSO. However, if we do not get in a constructive line of communication, the conversation may end abruptly. Support is free, aggravation will have cost us both a waste of time.
In my experience, threads like this inevitably get closed, and everyone loses out. My last bit of advice?
Start over with honest questions seeking advice.............Provide pictures, and an explanation of your last polishing stages, along with products used.
By the way, they arent "my" products...........They are the same products I have been distributing for many years, which have proven themselves valid and reputable....
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You did? Where was I?
I don't know, maybe you missed it.
I responded to your post -
I don't believe I've ever been anything less than respectful and appreciative when communicating with you, and giving you my money and business.
Do you disagree?
If so let me know privately, and we can deal with that.
Otherwise, I'd really like for you to show me what an idiot I am, with an in-person display, so we can BOTH come back here and tell everyone that I was wrong, and you were right, and live happily ever after. I would LOVE to be able to admit to everyone that I am a rare idiot, and apologize humbly to everyone, at the cost of having my paint look nice.
I started this whole process with you as my main source I was following. I really wanted to follow up only with you, but as your schedule is quite busy, I didn't want to be too much of a burden, so I tried to use other sources as well.
I don't know, maybe you missed it.
I responded to your post -
I don't believe I've ever been anything less than respectful and appreciative when communicating with you, and giving you my money and business.
Do you disagree?
If so let me know privately, and we can deal with that.
Otherwise, I'd really like for you to show me what an idiot I am, with an in-person display, so we can BOTH come back here and tell everyone that I was wrong, and you were right, and live happily ever after. I would LOVE to be able to admit to everyone that I am a rare idiot, and apologize humbly to everyone, at the cost of having my paint look nice.
I started this whole process with you as my main source I was following. I really wanted to follow up only with you, but as your schedule is quite busy, I didn't want to be too much of a burden, so I tried to use other sources as well.
Since me posting my opinion and sharing my experience seemed to have caused so much anxiety, I offered to get to the bottom of things, and show some humility and even apologize. (even though all I've done is share my opinion)
I don't expect anyone to detail my car for free, but being able to take a look at my paint, and maybe use some expertise to decide exactly what is needed, and give a personal demo on a small section, would maybe end so much of the "trauma", for everyone that is up in arms, and so upset.
Either way, I understand, and no one (including you Pat), is obligated to anything.
At this point, I understand that there is a LOT involved, to detailing a car right, including things like knowing the right kind of polish to use, with what kind of buffer pad, to having the right lighting, etc, etc.....
And I'm confident that eventually I will get the car's paint at least looking decent, at some point - either with or without a personal demo.
Again, besides all the people talking shit, I've had a number of people reach out and offer help (not to mention the Meguiar's classes).
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Thank you for mis-characterizing me, insulting me, and then threatening me with your moderating privileges.
I guess that makes me "ahead" right?
I play along with your characterization?
Do what you have to tough guy.
But I didn't come here to "bitch", nor did I come here to argue.
I came here to share my personal experience with other newcomers, and no I didn't attempt to make it "politically correct", because I am not a political person.
If you or others feel so threatened over the notion that newcomers may have EXTREME difficulties in starting this new hobby, then that is YOUR problems and not mine.
I did not direct my OP at anyone.
It was simply sharing my experience, and stating that it wasn't as easy for me, as maybe it might be to everyone else.
Despite all of yours and others insults (nice job as a moderator, by the way - personally insult people, and then lecture them as though you are morally superior), I think I am an average Joe, average amateur, who is at least successful enough in life to purchase a luxury car.
If I'm having this much trouble, I think it's reasonable to assume that others might too.
But hey tough guy, if it makes you feel like something to talk to a grown man in a condescending and bullying way, and making personal insults (like calling somebody a fool), then do your thing.
I've been called an asshole, amongst many other things on this thread, but you as a moderator can't even get yourself to address THAT?
Whatever dude.
On MY end, it's nothing personal.
I didn't set out to address anyone personally, blame anyone personally, or say anything political.
I COULD quite easily have done such.
I COULD have started blaming people, and done all of that, if I was REALLY interested in "bitching".
As much as you superior guys run your mouths with labels like bitching, perhaps you should all take a look in the mirror as to how fuckin sensitive, and how drama-oriented you are.
But no, it's always easier to point a finger at somebody else right?
It's much easier to stand with a group, and think that you are better than somebody else right?
Yeah, and you aren't "argumentative"??
To any newcomer reading this thread (assuming it won't be deleted, as was suggested earlier), again I reiterate being cautious about setting down this path.
As much as people will encourage you to join in on the hobby that THEY love, if you start to have difficulties, and things don't go well, and you don't tout the company lines and join in with the "rah rah", "detailing yourself is great" rhetoric, you can see the type of treatment you will get.
I only hope that my bad experience, can save you or others.
And to the sensitive little bitches who want to talk shit over the internet (including even a moderator)?
Take a look in the mirror, and if you really are against arguing, then stop running your mouths while ganging up on one person.
Bullying people while being part of a group versus one person, is NOT impressive.
Oh yeah, and "CGTSX2004", I DID go back a re-read my OP.
So what if it comes off as "angry and bitter"?
It wasn't directed at anybody personally.
If you all are that insecure and sensitive as a group of people, where you get that butt hurt over hearing the frustrating experience of someone else, then that is YOUR problem and not mine.
You ain't even in my position - so what the fuck are YOU ALL whining about?!!!
I'M the one with the bad experience.
Yet a bunch of grown ass men, want to complain because I didn't sugar coat me sharing my experience and making it politically acceptable for y'all???
And the irony of talking about what is "bitch-like"???
But yeah tough guy, show me what a man you are by flexing your big moderator muscles.
I'll still be me, and you'll still be you.
You being a moderator doesn't make you right, and it certainly doesn't make me inferior to you.
Not by a long shot.
I guess that makes me "ahead" right?
I play along with your characterization?
Do what you have to tough guy.
But I didn't come here to "bitch", nor did I come here to argue.
I came here to share my personal experience with other newcomers, and no I didn't attempt to make it "politically correct", because I am not a political person.
If you or others feel so threatened over the notion that newcomers may have EXTREME difficulties in starting this new hobby, then that is YOUR problems and not mine.
I did not direct my OP at anyone.
It was simply sharing my experience, and stating that it wasn't as easy for me, as maybe it might be to everyone else.
Despite all of yours and others insults (nice job as a moderator, by the way - personally insult people, and then lecture them as though you are morally superior), I think I am an average Joe, average amateur, who is at least successful enough in life to purchase a luxury car.
If I'm having this much trouble, I think it's reasonable to assume that others might too.
But hey tough guy, if it makes you feel like something to talk to a grown man in a condescending and bullying way, and making personal insults (like calling somebody a fool), then do your thing.
I've been called an asshole, amongst many other things on this thread, but you as a moderator can't even get yourself to address THAT?
Whatever dude.
On MY end, it's nothing personal.
I didn't set out to address anyone personally, blame anyone personally, or say anything political.
I COULD quite easily have done such.
I COULD have started blaming people, and done all of that, if I was REALLY interested in "bitching".
As much as you superior guys run your mouths with labels like bitching, perhaps you should all take a look in the mirror as to how fuckin sensitive, and how drama-oriented you are.
But no, it's always easier to point a finger at somebody else right?
It's much easier to stand with a group, and think that you are better than somebody else right?
Yeah, and you aren't "argumentative"??
To any newcomer reading this thread (assuming it won't be deleted, as was suggested earlier), again I reiterate being cautious about setting down this path.
As much as people will encourage you to join in on the hobby that THEY love, if you start to have difficulties, and things don't go well, and you don't tout the company lines and join in with the "rah rah", "detailing yourself is great" rhetoric, you can see the type of treatment you will get.
I only hope that my bad experience, can save you or others.
And to the sensitive little bitches who want to talk shit over the internet (including even a moderator)?
Take a look in the mirror, and if you really are against arguing, then stop running your mouths while ganging up on one person.
Bullying people while being part of a group versus one person, is NOT impressive.
Oh yeah, and "CGTSX2004", I DID go back a re-read my OP.
So what if it comes off as "angry and bitter"?
It wasn't directed at anybody personally.
If you all are that insecure and sensitive as a group of people, where you get that butt hurt over hearing the frustrating experience of someone else, then that is YOUR problem and not mine.
You ain't even in my position - so what the fuck are YOU ALL whining about?!!!
I'M the one with the bad experience.
Yet a bunch of grown ass men, want to complain because I didn't sugar coat me sharing my experience and making it politically acceptable for y'all???
And the irony of talking about what is "bitch-like"???
But yeah tough guy, show me what a man you are by flexing your big moderator muscles.
I'll still be me, and you'll still be you.
You being a moderator doesn't make you right, and it certainly doesn't make me inferior to you.
Not by a long shot.
Congratulations - I doubt very much that you'll receive any help from anyone from this point on.
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I'll say one more thing before this gets shut down - because honestly it should. You have no ability to take criticism, you're impatient, and have a low threshold for adaptation - things that don't mix well with modifying cars.
It's fun. Not watching you have an epic meltdown, but the process. If you don't get innate pleasure from the process, then you need to walk away. Now. As with all car modifications (and I consider a good detail to be a modification), it's going to be hard to do. Hard to learn. And you'll fail occassionally. You'll screw up. You'll make mistakes. If you don't learn from those mistakes, then you're a failure. You're not a failure if you can't do it, but if you don't learn and adapt. And sometimes part of adaptation and learning is knowing when to take a break. Or simply walk away and accept defeat. And if that is where you're at, then just go.
But, the way you've acted pretty much since you've been here has shown all of us what I said in the first paragraph. Apparently, you decided that a brand new car with brand new paint warranted a novice to take a detailing machine to it. A novice that is impatient. A novice that takes what any one person says to do and runs out and does it - regardless if that's the best advice for that situation. A novice that starts on the process without fully understanding the risks and procedures involved. Apparently, you didn't clean your pads fully before you went to town on your car. That's a YOU problem. And, if you would get the sand out, one that could either be fixed by yourself or someone a bit more competent.
But you freaked out. Complained it was too hard. And in this, your presumably last thread, you retaliated against everyone who didn't feel like holding your hand anymore. I hope you don't want your car fixed by a pro in your area. Because if I was a pro in your area, I'd go out of my way to warn my friends and competitors that you are bad news. I'd be higly surprised if a link to this thread didn't show up on Autopia if it hasn't already. If you wanted to get blacklisted, then you did a good job.
Why is it that no other threads like this exist? Is it because there's a conspiracy against novices? Or, just maybe, that you're the only one to act like this? Your OP wasn't too out of line, but you immediately started attacking anyone who responded. It's classless. And while I'm just as new as anyone else, I think I speak for most when I say it's not welcome. Especially to those who have been trying to help you the entire time (who you subsequently attack in here). If you aren't going to change, just stop posting. Save everyone the headache.
If you are going to stick around, and not be a quitter, I think everyone would expect a huge mea culpa. The choice is yours.
It's fun. Not watching you have an epic meltdown, but the process. If you don't get innate pleasure from the process, then you need to walk away. Now. As with all car modifications (and I consider a good detail to be a modification), it's going to be hard to do. Hard to learn. And you'll fail occassionally. You'll screw up. You'll make mistakes. If you don't learn from those mistakes, then you're a failure. You're not a failure if you can't do it, but if you don't learn and adapt. And sometimes part of adaptation and learning is knowing when to take a break. Or simply walk away and accept defeat. And if that is where you're at, then just go.
But, the way you've acted pretty much since you've been here has shown all of us what I said in the first paragraph. Apparently, you decided that a brand new car with brand new paint warranted a novice to take a detailing machine to it. A novice that is impatient. A novice that takes what any one person says to do and runs out and does it - regardless if that's the best advice for that situation. A novice that starts on the process without fully understanding the risks and procedures involved. Apparently, you didn't clean your pads fully before you went to town on your car. That's a YOU problem. And, if you would get the sand out, one that could either be fixed by yourself or someone a bit more competent.
But you freaked out. Complained it was too hard. And in this, your presumably last thread, you retaliated against everyone who didn't feel like holding your hand anymore. I hope you don't want your car fixed by a pro in your area. Because if I was a pro in your area, I'd go out of my way to warn my friends and competitors that you are bad news. I'd be higly surprised if a link to this thread didn't show up on Autopia if it hasn't already. If you wanted to get blacklisted, then you did a good job.
Why is it that no other threads like this exist? Is it because there's a conspiracy against novices? Or, just maybe, that you're the only one to act like this? Your OP wasn't too out of line, but you immediately started attacking anyone who responded. It's classless. And while I'm just as new as anyone else, I think I speak for most when I say it's not welcome. Especially to those who have been trying to help you the entire time (who you subsequently attack in here). If you aren't going to change, just stop posting. Save everyone the headache.
If you are going to stick around, and not be a quitter, I think everyone would expect a huge mea culpa. The choice is yours.
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Since me posting my opinion and sharing my experience seemed to have caused so much anxiety, I offered to get to the bottom of things, and show some humility and even apologize. (even though all I've done is share my opinion)
I don't expect anyone to detail my car for free, but being able to take a look at my paint, and maybe use some expertise to decide exactly what is needed, and give a personal demo on a small section, would maybe end so much of the "trauma", for everyone that is up in arms, and so upset.
Either way, I understand, and no one (including you Pat), is obligated to anything.
At this point, I understand that there is a LOT involved, to detailing a car right, including things like knowing the right kind of polish to use, with what kind of buffer pad, to having the right lighting, etc, etc.....
And I'm confident that eventually I will get the car's paint at least looking decent, at some point - either with or without a personal demo.
Again, besides all the people talking shit, I've had a number of people reach out and offer help (not to mention the Meguiar's classes).
I don't expect anyone to detail my car for free, but being able to take a look at my paint, and maybe use some expertise to decide exactly what is needed, and give a personal demo on a small section, would maybe end so much of the "trauma", for everyone that is up in arms, and so upset.
Either way, I understand, and no one (including you Pat), is obligated to anything.
At this point, I understand that there is a LOT involved, to detailing a car right, including things like knowing the right kind of polish to use, with what kind of buffer pad, to having the right lighting, etc, etc.....
And I'm confident that eventually I will get the car's paint at least looking decent, at some point - either with or without a personal demo.
Again, besides all the people talking shit, I've had a number of people reach out and offer help (not to mention the Meguiar's classes).
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Since me posting my opinion and sharing my experience seemed to have caused so much anxiety, I offered to get to the bottom of things, and show some humility and even apologize. (even though all I've done is share my opinion)
I don't expect anyone to detail my car for free, but being able to take a look at my paint, and maybe use some expertise to decide exactly what is needed, and give a personal demo on a small section, would maybe end so much of the "trauma", for everyone that is up in arms, and so upset.
Either way, I understand, and no one (including you Pat), is obligated to anything.
At this point, I understand that there is a LOT involved, to detailing a car right, including things like knowing the right kind of polish to use, with what kind of buffer pad, to having the right lighting, etc, etc.....
And I'm confident that eventually I will get the car's paint at least looking decent, at some point - either with or without a personal demo.
Again, besides all the people talking shit, I've had a number of people reach out and offer help (not to mention the Meguiar's classes).
I don't expect anyone to detail my car for free, but being able to take a look at my paint, and maybe use some expertise to decide exactly what is needed, and give a personal demo on a small section, would maybe end so much of the "trauma", for everyone that is up in arms, and so upset.
Either way, I understand, and no one (including you Pat), is obligated to anything.
At this point, I understand that there is a LOT involved, to detailing a car right, including things like knowing the right kind of polish to use, with what kind of buffer pad, to having the right lighting, etc, etc.....
And I'm confident that eventually I will get the car's paint at least looking decent, at some point - either with or without a personal demo.
Again, besides all the people talking shit, I've had a number of people reach out and offer help (not to mention the Meguiar's classes).
However from the above post he seems that he has changed gears to focus more on getting his ride fixed rather than defending his OPINION on the ease of detailing. If TSX is able to get better results from your advise then its great... if he doesn't want to follow your advise or wants to do things his way then that his choice too.
His earlier posts also seem to have aggravated a lot of people here who are offering good advice and/or defending others on this topic and also on Pat's other thread. However as an outsider I think that its time for all of you to move on forward. If you do not like TSX..Opinion or his method of delivering then please ignore and move on.
On a more personal note to TSX: Folks here are extremely friendly and helpful but you need a thick skin here to survive. If you think this is rough.... please stay away from Rambling forum...
Peace......
Last edited by sr4dt; Jun 23, 2009 at 09:18 AM.
