04TL- A sheep in a wolf skin
09-03-2003, 12:09 PM
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04TL- A sheep in a wolf skin
Crappy things include but not limited to:
1. the Engine is actually the same as 03 type-s' , still using VTEC whil the lower-end TSX is using i-VTEV.
2. The "Acura" letter engraved on the lower front bumper makes it look like a cheap Pontiac or Saturn.
3. The poorest design of our 2nd Gen TL----Brakes have not been improved for the auto tranny model!
4. Sunroof still doesn't have one-touch function!
5. The "50% more dent-resistant doors" is a joke.
6. Too much computer shiit integrated. like blue-tooth, DVD-audio, satellite radio, why need those while I already have computer and just need a good driving machine?
1. the Engine is actually the same as 03 type-s' , still using VTEC whil the lower-end TSX is using i-VTEV.
2. The "Acura" letter engraved on the lower front bumper makes it look like a cheap Pontiac or Saturn.
3. The poorest design of our 2nd Gen TL----Brakes have not been improved for the auto tranny model!
4. Sunroof still doesn't have one-touch function!
5. The "50% more dent-resistant doors" is a joke.
6. Too much computer shiit integrated. like blue-tooth, DVD-audio, satellite radio, why need those while I already have computer and just need a good driving machine?
09-03-2003, 01:09 PM
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Re: 04TL- A sheep in a wolf skin
Originally posted by gainful
Crappy things include but not limited to:
1. the Engine is actually the same as 03 type-s' , still using VTEC whil the lower-end TSX is using i-VTEV.
2. The "Acura" letter engraved on the lower front bumper makes it look like a cheap Pontiac or Saturn.
3. The poorest design of our 2nd Gen TL----Brakes have not been improved for the auto tranny model!
4. Sunroof still doesn't have one-touch function!
5. The "50% more dent-resistant doors" is a joke.
6. Too much computer shiit integrated. like blue-tooth, DVD-audio, satellite radio, why need those while I already have computer and just need a good driving machine?
Crappy things include but not limited to:
1. the Engine is actually the same as 03 type-s' , still using VTEC whil the lower-end TSX is using i-VTEV.
2. The "Acura" letter engraved on the lower front bumper makes it look like a cheap Pontiac or Saturn.
3. The poorest design of our 2nd Gen TL----Brakes have not been improved for the auto tranny model!
4. Sunroof still doesn't have one-touch function!
5. The "50% more dent-resistant doors" is a joke.
6. Too much computer shiit integrated. like blue-tooth, DVD-audio, satellite radio, why need those while I already have computer and just need a good driving machine?
2. Most states require front license plates, so it will be covered anyway.
3. Brembos will be available with the A-spec package for automatics.
4. ok.
5. you cant say that unless you have seen the doors urself.
6. i believe you are in the market for the wrong car if u dont want this stuff.
09-03-2003, 01:29 PM
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Re: 04TL- A sheep in a wolf skin
Originally posted by gainful
Crappy things include but not limited to:
1. the Engine is actually the same as 03 type-s' , still using VTEC whil the lower-end TSX is using i-VTEV.
2. The "Acura" letter engraved on the lower front bumper makes it look like a cheap Pontiac or Saturn.
3. The poorest design of our 2nd Gen TL----Brakes have not been improved for the auto tranny model!
4. Sunroof still doesn't have one-touch function!
5. The "50% more dent-resistant doors" is a joke.
6. Too much computer shiit integrated. like blue-tooth, DVD-audio, satellite radio, why need those while I already have computer and just need a good driving machine?
Crappy things include but not limited to:
1. the Engine is actually the same as 03 type-s' , still using VTEC whil the lower-end TSX is using i-VTEV.
2. The "Acura" letter engraved on the lower front bumper makes it look like a cheap Pontiac or Saturn.
3. The poorest design of our 2nd Gen TL----Brakes have not been improved for the auto tranny model!
4. Sunroof still doesn't have one-touch function!
5. The "50% more dent-resistant doors" is a joke.
6. Too much computer shiit integrated. like blue-tooth, DVD-audio, satellite radio, why need those while I already have computer and just need a good driving machine?
09-03-2003, 05:58 PM
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Re: Re: 04TL- A sheep in a wolf skin
Originally posted by corey415
1. The bottom line is more power, I could care less about i-vtec.
2. Most states require front license plates, so it will be covered anyway.
3. Brembos will be available with the A-spec package for automatics.
4. ok.
5. you cant say that unless you have seen the doors urself.
6. i believe you are in the market for the wrong car if u dont want this stuff.
1. The bottom line is more power, I could care less about i-vtec.
2. Most states require front license plates, so it will be covered anyway.
3. Brembos will be available with the A-spec package for automatics.
4. ok.
5. you cant say that unless you have seen the doors urself.
6. i believe you are in the market for the wrong car if u dont want this stuff.
09-03-2003, 07:42 PM
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Re: 04TL- A sheep in a wolf skin
Originally posted by gainful
Crappy things include but not limited to:
1. the Engine is actually the same as 03 type-s' , still using VTEC whil the lower-end TSX is using i-VTEV.
2. The "Acura" letter engraved on the lower front bumper makes it look like a cheap Pontiac or Saturn.
3. The poorest design of our 2nd Gen TL----Brakes have not been improved for the auto tranny model!
4. Sunroof still doesn't have one-touch function!
5. The "50% more dent-resistant doors" is a joke.
6. Too much computer shiit integrated. like blue-tooth, DVD-audio, satellite radio, why need those while I already have computer and just need a good driving machine?
Crappy things include but not limited to:
1. the Engine is actually the same as 03 type-s' , still using VTEC whil the lower-end TSX is using i-VTEV.
2. The "Acura" letter engraved on the lower front bumper makes it look like a cheap Pontiac or Saturn.
3. The poorest design of our 2nd Gen TL----Brakes have not been improved for the auto tranny model!
4. Sunroof still doesn't have one-touch function!
5. The "50% more dent-resistant doors" is a joke.
6. Too much computer shiit integrated. like blue-tooth, DVD-audio, satellite radio, why need those while I already have computer and just need a good driving machine?
1) The engine is the same, so what? Its even better, has drive by wire throttle, same fuel economy, more torque and IMPROVED ULEV emissions. 270 hp in a sedan is enough for most of us. When are you ever going to really use all that? 99% of the time you can't use it anyway.
2) License plate will cover that.
3) Brakes aren't just about size, its the master cylinder, brake pads etc.
4) I believe this new one is a one touch.
5) They're not a joke, they have much tougher sheet metal, its an often requested feature and will improve resale value.
6) DVD-audio is like the difference between tape and CD's, its that much better, try it out and then make a judgment. Bluetooth, thats subjective, if you don't have any use for it, thats cool. Satellite radio... hmm... minimal ads and great music ANYWHERE for what? 10 bucks a month? That appeals to me. If you can afford a 34,000 dollar car you can afford satellite radio
09-03-2003, 08:05 PM
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3) Also the new Brake has Electronic Brake Distribution, Not found in the previous gen. and I know EBD makes a diff in performance.
Also Gainful can you explain to me what i-Vtec is? Most people dont even know the difference..
Also Gainful can you explain to me what i-Vtec is? Most people dont even know the difference..
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09-03-2003, 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by 2004TL
3) Also the new Brake has Electronic Brake Distribution, Not found in the previous gen. and I know EBD makes a diff in performance.
Also Gainful can you explain to me what i-Vtec is? Most people dont even know the difference..
3) Also the new Brake has Electronic Brake Distribution, Not found in the previous gen. and I know EBD makes a diff in performance.
Also Gainful can you explain to me what i-Vtec is? Most people dont even know the difference..
i-VTEC is similar to VTEC in that it has different CAM profiles. However, it can have multiple CAM profiles (I believe in the RSX Type S, the engine has 3 different CAM Profiles), and it additionally can adjust the phase of the intake cams.
What this basically means is with VTEC you have a "on/off" type of system .. either you're using the higher profile, or the lower profile. With i-VTEC you can adjust on a much broader scale to more appropriately match your profile to your rpms ... So you have an overall better profile for a wide range of rpms versus just an "on/off" type of system.
It does make a difference, although I believe that i-VTEC needs a DOHC engine to work.. I still haven't figured out if the '04 TL is a SOHC or DOHC engine. If it is in fact just like the '03 TL-S engine with some minor tweaks to get more horsepower, then it would most likely be SOHC.
09-03-2003, 09:44 PM
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'04 TL is a SOHC. i-VTEC is more useful on a smaller displacement car (4 cylinders with DOHC) than larger engines. Larger engines, especially the J series V6's have flat torque curves. i-VTEC would have been a nice addition to the NSX for '02, oh well.
09-04-2003, 10:24 AM
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Just to let you know, the '04 TL has a one touch moonroof, with anti-pinch, revised shade (to reduce rattling), a more flush seal to reduce windnoise even further AND the moonroof controls are overhead.
09-04-2003, 11:10 AM
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Go here to get all of your info on the tl
http://www.hondanews.com/Forms/acura...h+currentacura
http://www.hondanews.com/Forms/acura...h+currentacura
09-04-2003, 11:34 AM
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I like the fact that the current TL moonroof controls are not overhead. Its a pain to reach up to do that.
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Originally posted by doopstr
I like the fact that the current TL moonroof controls are not overhead. Its a pain to reach up to do that.
I like the fact that the current TL moonroof controls are not overhead. Its a pain to reach up to do that.
I always liked the controls being by the steering wheel, Honda was well known for it, but I dont get why they changed it..
09-04-2003, 06:31 PM
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The reasoning for the moonroof controls on the dash were because of kids. Since most TL owners are older or don't take their kids/kids are in the back seat, Acura switched the moonroof controls and put them on the roof like the RL.
09-04-2003, 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by 2004TL
I always liked the controls being by the steering wheel, Honda was well known for it, but I dont get why they changed it..
I always liked the controls being by the steering wheel, Honda was well known for it, but I dont get why they changed it..
09-04-2003, 11:14 PM
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For a normal listener...DVD audio presents no audible upgrades. Also, they cannot be made with mp3's (I'm guessing - if they could then it wouldnt be a true AC3 track). It's sounds like something that Honda can say that they had the first car with it.
I believe it goes the same with bluetooth. It's a nice feature - if you have the equipment. I'm taking a guess - not many phones in the US come with bluetooth. Much bigger in Europe and Japan - cell phone heavens. Now - if you can extract a large amount of data from the Navigation system onto, oh lets say a PDA, then maybe.
Thats is the way I see it - a lot of buyers wont be wowed by the effects that a DVD Audio disk presents (which also means that they'd have to start a new DVD-Audio collection). I also think that satallite radio should be pushed for an mp3 player.
I believe it goes the same with bluetooth. It's a nice feature - if you have the equipment. I'm taking a guess - not many phones in the US come with bluetooth. Much bigger in Europe and Japan - cell phone heavens. Now - if you can extract a large amount of data from the Navigation system onto, oh lets say a PDA, then maybe.
Thats is the way I see it - a lot of buyers wont be wowed by the effects that a DVD Audio disk presents (which also means that they'd have to start a new DVD-Audio collection). I also think that satallite radio should be pushed for an mp3 player.
09-05-2003, 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Ken1997TL
The reasoning for the moonroof controls on the dash were because of kids. Since most TL owners are older or don't take their kids/kids are in the back seat, Acura switched the moonroof controls and put them on the roof like the RL.
The reasoning for the moonroof controls on the dash were because of kids. Since most TL owners are older or don't take their kids/kids are in the back seat, Acura switched the moonroof controls and put them on the roof like the RL.
Onew touch is a must have, great feature.
09-07-2003, 11:36 AM
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Re: 04TL- A sheep in a wolf skin
Originally posted by gainful
Crappy things include but not limited to:
1. the Engine is actually the same as 03 type-s' , still using VTEC whil the lower-end TSX is using i-VTEV.
2. The "Acura" letter engraved on the lower front bumper makes it look like a cheap Pontiac or Saturn.
3. The poorest design of our 2nd Gen TL----Brakes have not been improved for the auto tranny model!
4. Sunroof still doesn't have one-touch function!
5. The "50% more dent-resistant doors" is a joke.
6. Too much computer shiit integrated. like blue-tooth, DVD-audio, satellite radio, why need those while I already have computer and just need a good driving machine?
Crappy things include but not limited to:
1. the Engine is actually the same as 03 type-s' , still using VTEC whil the lower-end TSX is using i-VTEV.
2. The "Acura" letter engraved on the lower front bumper makes it look like a cheap Pontiac or Saturn.
3. The poorest design of our 2nd Gen TL----Brakes have not been improved for the auto tranny model!
4. Sunroof still doesn't have one-touch function!
5. The "50% more dent-resistant doors" is a joke.
6. Too much computer shiit integrated. like blue-tooth, DVD-audio, satellite radio, why need those while I already have computer and just need a good driving machine?
what are u, an idiot?
09-07-2003, 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by lovemyTL
......a lot of buyers wont be wowed by the effects that a DVD Audio disk presents (which also means that they'd have to start a new DVD-Audio collection).
......a lot of buyers wont be wowed by the effects that a DVD Audio disk presents (which also means that they'd have to start a new DVD-Audio collection).
09-07-2003, 04:42 PM
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As someone who's had a DVD-Audio player for about two years now, the selection of titles are severely lacking. Other than the demo disc that came with the player, I've bought only one CD. Among the titles that are available today, a majority of them are in the classical genre. So even if they like the quality of sound, they're not going to find a lot to choose from. Plus, given the fact that DVD-A discs cost significantly more than the normal CD's, I don't think that it's going to catch on very quick.
As someone who's had a DVD-Audio player for about two years now, the selection of titles are severely lacking. Other than the demo disc that came with the player, I've bought only one CD. Among the titles that are available today, a majority of them are in the classical genre. So even if they like the quality of sound, they're not going to find a lot to choose from. Plus, given the fact that DVD-A discs cost significantly more than the normal CD's, I don't think that it's going to catch on very quick.
one DVD-A in two plus years of ownership here, too.
09-07-2003, 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ken1997TL
The reasoning for the moonroof controls on the dash were because of kids. Since most TL owners are older or don't take their kids/kids are in the back seat, Acura switched the moonroof controls and put them on the roof like the RL.
The reasoning for the moonroof controls on the dash were because of kids. Since most TL owners are older or don't take their kids/kids are in the back seat, Acura switched the moonroof controls and put them on the roof like the RL.
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