moose66

https://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/youll-regret-it-cars-people-wish-they-never-bought.html/?ref=YF&yptr=yahoo

Look what list our cars made. Yep, in the top (if you want to call it top) 10! Hello Acura, you there? I must be a real winner when it comes to vehicles, I own two of the vehicles on the list!

2012wagon

at least you weren't #1

moose66

Well, technically I am as an owner of two on the list!!!!!

2012wagon

Just saw your edit. Makes sense.

DBConz

congrats to Nissan and Jeep

losiglow

iTrader: (1)

Wow. Nissan got raped.

I think the RLX is a really nice car but yea, not worth 55K. And the ILX has always been known as a fancy Civic. I didn't mind the 2.4L 6MT when I test drove it but the base model is I'm not sure what Acura was thinking on that one. The TSX was a far better value.

GhostTL09

iTrader: (1)

Acura is trying to be cost efficient and material efficient which in today's world comes off as not "near luxury". If you had a choice on a 7 series or RLX with cost not being a factor would you even enter an Acura dealership? They need to make beautiful cars not boring safe vehicles that are a "good" value.

George Knighton

The Acura ILX was a surprise to me.

It's just a value added Civic, so the consumers must not be finding the value in the value added!

2012wagon

yeah

owners seem to be mightily disappointed

hondamore

We've discussed Consumer Reports lack of love for the RLX before and some of the points that require repeating are:
1. I'm pretty sure that a Consumer Reports tester have never seen or driven a Sport Hybrid RLX and the majority of their venom is related to the very early build problems of the PAWS version AND the MSRP asked and paid in the early days.
2. I can't help but wonder what their opinion of the RLX Sport Hybrid would be ESPECIALLY if they took into account the real world prices they are being purchased for. The performance and features of the RLX Sport Hybrid Advance for a price in the low 50's is an OUTSTANDING value for OUTSTANDING performance AND OUTSTANDING fuel economy and a true marvel of engineering.

Sorry, but no list can convince me otherwise.

2012wagon

This list is less about consumer reports and more about this statistic:




”One in two (50%) RLX buyers told Consumer Reports they were dissatisfied with their car.”

hondamore

I confess to not bothering to waste time scrolling through the list. Click bait sites that make you wade through slow loading ads do not appeal to me.

Once again, however, the owner satisfaction stat is HUGELY skewed by the early build problems of the PAWS version (the early suspension problems led to a LOT of people who were more than willing to reply to a survey to vent their frustration with the RLX). Take a poll of the Sport Hybrid owners and a very different number would appear. I am absolutely satisfied with my RLX Sport Hybrid and, based on this forum, I would say that almost ALL of the other Sport Hybrid owners are satisfied as well. Sadly, our numbers are so few, because of limitations on Sport Hybrid production, that our feelings and opinions become irrelevant in Consumer Report's poll.

I guess by biggest beef here is that more effort should be taken to differentiate the Sport Hybrid variant and to differentiate the model year which suffered the problems. 2017 RLX PAWS drivers may give a very different result to the poll, but there are only very few of them out there (like the Sport Hybrid), so they can never undo the damage of the 2014 PAWS.

George Knighton

Do you know "Alex on Autos" (aka Long Winded Alex) ?

He tested a 2014 RLX and then a 2014 RLX Sport Hybrid, and his opinions were very different.

With the regular RLX, he didn't think it was worth the sticker and he would not buy it.

With the Sport Hybrid, he felt it was worth even the 66K MSRP of the Advance model he tested.

To this day, Consumer Reports has only driven one single RLX, and the look on the face of the woman who drove it would tell anybody that the review was doomed. :-)

wstr75

I owned a 2014 RLX PAWS putting 40K miles on it and now own a 2016 SH-AWD RLX with more than 10K miles experience in its driver's seat. My 2014 was a great car. It was great on gas and once I got the deep intuitive hang of driving a PAWS vehicle, it would hang in curves as if it were a much smaller car. In some respects I liked the 2014 better as it did not have the computer thinking about putting the transmission into gear from standstill like my hybrid exhibits. I love my hybrid but wish it were instantaneous acting at 0-2 mph speeds. It is a thousand one, thousand two (two seconds) for everything be it pushing the button to go into reverse, waiting for the camera to show up on the screen, etc. My PAWS was pretty much instantaneous in those aspects as I recall.

wilspainar

I would be one of the owners who does not like their RLX. As soon as the Accord 2.0T comes out I am trading the RLX in.

psheu

This is one of the many reason I don't buy into the mass media hype and the opinion of others I don't agree with. I still smile every time I get behind the wheel and turn on that butt cooler. There are no cars out there that'll come close to what RLX SHAWD can offer. Balance of power, fuel economy, fun to drive, taking curves, comfort, smoothness, luxury, refinement, standard tech gadgets, exclusivity, special parking, etc. .you name it and there is nothing that come close to it currently. You got to ask yourself, how reliable is the article that you read. That thing is as credible as a biased bad post on social media. They can throw in any % number they want. But before they put out that number, they better be able to show the sample size, population selection, and whatever methods they use for data collection. Otherwise, I'll believe when I touch it, feel it, drive it and experience it.

I wonder if all these nay sayer ever experience how smooth the transition from engine shut off and start during a traffic stop or during a normal drive.of RLX SH. I know, because I've driven some of my friend's new BMW 5s, Alpha Romeo Giulia, and few more others. Let me tell ya, not even close (rough start and stop felt every time car comes to a complete stop). My wife drives '17 ILX ASpec, it's a fun car to drive also. Loaded with 'standard' equipment that other manufacturer would consider an 'option'. If our cars are so bad like the article claimed, shouldn't they include 90% of the cars out there? And if that's the case, I bet they just love taking the public transit or walk couple hundred miles on foot because nothing is good enough for these people that make such claims.

All and all, this article is as credible as North Korean propaganda. I don't believe it.

getakey

the bad reviews were all driven off the PAWS model.
I had the PAWS and many of the complaints are valid. I did not dislike the car, but I was not an enthusiastic owner. The best part of the car was the Krell system - that in itself tells you something. My 2 biggest complaints were suspension and infotainment. The slowness of the infotainment should have never made it into production. Entering an address into the Navi was basically unusable. The suspension was very harsh.
Your comments on the Sport Hybrid are spot on - but that car was hardly reviewed by anyone.

kingofire

FWIW, I love my 2016 RLX SH-AWD. Great on gas, quiet interior, luxurious interior and very sporty for a big car!

Scott in AZ

After 9 months and 6700 Miles I’d buy my RLX Sport Hybrid Advance again in a second, with no hesitation. In addition to local driving I make a 4 hour trip from Palm Springs to Phoenix at least once a month and sometime more .... the comfort and drive-ability makes me almost look forward to this trip.

The alternatives I’d consider are smaller with no hybrid drive (Audi S5), or more expensive (Porsche Panamera Hybrid, >$100K; Audi S7) or similarly-priced lesser cars (Cadillac V6 CTS).

The only features I’d really like to have are Apple CarPlay and a hatchback. I used CarPlay again this week in a rental 2018 Cadillac and it is really crisp and user friendly. I’m crossing fingers (probably a pipe dream) that at some point CarPlay becomes hot-swappable aftermarket upgrade. I kept my Acura MDX SUV so don’t really need the hatchback but I’d like the extra touring capacity.

Also a personal opinion .... the best dealer upgrade, especially here in the desert Southwest, is premium tint. I probably would not have added on my own but I negotiated it into my deal as a closer and am glad I did.

old coastie

Well we have a '16 PAWS that we like just fine. We needed the huge trunk for our long distance cruises. For this old man there's plenty of practical power when we need it. And here in the South the sh-awd is not that big a deal, although very nice to have ( we had a ZDX with SH_AWD that was a big plus on such a big car).
Like someone said above I don't put much stock in CR reviews. The fact that they never revisited the '16 RLX after the suspension changes tells me they're more interested in dish washers than cars the aren't prius's.

Scott in AZ

Wil, hi. I’m interested in learning what you don’t like.

2.0 turbo Accord would be a nice ride but if I’m honest .... imagine the Civic Type R with 300+ HP and super handling all-wheel drive >> That’s a car I’d be interested in. I wonder if it will be redesigned into an A-Spec ILX or if the Civic will get it first? Or maybe a next gen S2000.

George Knighton

My guess is that the next iteration of the TLX (if they even call it that) will also be based on the Civic chassis.

That might not leave room for SH-AWD.

If they buck the trend and have a unique McPherson chassis for the TLX, then perhaps the next redesign will be a Sport Hybrid!

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2012wagon

would the tlx next gen be based on civic ? I thought always based on Accord ?

Scott in AZ

I think last generation CRV crossover and Civic sedan and the current generation RDX crossover and ILX sedan are all based on same platform. That makes me Think the new iterations of the RDX and ILX could get the turbo 4-banger (300+ HP) in the Type R Civic and at least the AWD drive train that’s in the new CRV. Although it’s not as technologically robust as the super handling all wheel drive train, it would seem to be better for traction from a high output engine.

I hate to think the RDX will lose the V-6. We have a 2014 RDX and it’s a very nice engine. But I would like to see an ILX with equivalent power and better handling that the Type R Civic. In an A-spec trim and without new model gremlins that would NOT be top dog in the most regretted cars list.

George Knighton

But the 2018 Accord is based on the Civic. :-)

2012wagon

gotcha

didn’t know civic and Accord is same platform

pcloadletter

Never liked consumer reports, a sample group of two just reinforces my opinion.

kingofire

I am not a huge consumer reports fan but the one thing they do usually get right is their ratings about automotive manufacturers. I remember a few years ago Infiniti fell from 7th all the way down to 18th or something close to it. When the new Q50 line came out there were a lot of growing pains with it and it was reflected in the consumer report. They've obviously fixed the quirks and as we see in this report Infiniti has bounced back nicely.