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Old 01-31-2018, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RL09
The direct handling of steering cannot be the same...
It's not. :-)

There is not anything in the way of road feel because the steering wheel is not connected to the steering rack, unless there has been a power failure or other incident that causes the mechanical connection to be deployed.

This car is not unique, however, and more and more cars have been using a system like this as the past few years have worn on.

As you drive more and more you get used to trusting that the car is going to do what it is that you're telling it to do, even though you cannot feel it.

One very positive thing about all these electronic, mechanically disconnected systems is that the brake pedal feel in the KC2 remains consistent regardless of how hot you've made the brake fluid, and regardless of the wear of the brake pads.

Like the steering wheel, the brake pedal is not connected to the master cylinder unless there has been a power failure or other triggering incident. The brake pedal feel is artificial, generated by a servo designed to provide a positive, firm feel regardless.
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Old 01-31-2018, 03:34 PM
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Do you mean the steering and brakes are connected mechanically but controlled electronically, and if there's electronic failure, the mechanism work the classical way?
Old 01-31-2018, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by alum04org
Enjoyed this thread and your thoughts. Just began discussing a replacement for Wifey's 2008 TL Type S (still love the car, 97K miles, but the little things going wrong lately are wearing on her), and was looking at the RL/RLX as an option.
Hey, alum04org! Welcome to the RLX side of things. If you're considering a RLX, get the hybrid and preferably a 2016 or newer. You and your significant other will enjoy it. It's no NSX by any means, but was quite a nice ride during my time with it.
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Originally Posted by RL09
Do you mean the steering and brakes are connected mechanically but controlled electronically, and if there's electronic failure, the mechanism work the classical way?
The steering wheel and the brake pedal are *not* connected mechanically in normal driving.

Both the steering and braking systems have emergency backups that deploy to cause a mechanical connection to be made in the event of a power failure, or if the car detects another emergency situation.
Old 02-01-2018, 08:11 AM
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When I said the brake pedal feel is artificial, I mean that it is artificially generated.

The brake pedal feel is consistently very good because the servo keeps the pedal hard no matter what you've done to the brake fluid and regardless of brake pad wear.
Old 02-01-2018, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by George Knighton
When I said the brake pedal feel is artificial, I mean that it is artificially generated.

The brake pedal feel is consistently very good because the servo keeps the pedal hard no matter what you've done to the brake fluid and regardless of brake pad wear.

at this state please give me a PS4 controller like to keep the production cost down, why have brake pedal and steering wheel then? lol
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Originally Posted by George Knighton
The steering wheel and the brake pedal are *not* connected mechanically in normal driving.

Both the steering and braking systems have emergency backups that deploy to cause a mechanical connection to be made in the event of a power failure, or if the car detects another emergency situation.
If you know of any resource material that explains how that works it's appreciated. I can only enviseage it as being connected mechanically but controlled eletronically in normal driving, which disengages in emergencies... ?

Originally Posted by George Knighton
When I said the brake pedal feel is artificial, I mean that it is artificially generated.

The brake pedal feel is consistently very good because the servo keeps the pedal hard no matter what you've done to the brake fluid and regardless of brake pad wear.
That was certainly understood.

Btw, the RLX specialist who did many tests on circuits did say the 2020 model would be even more different, and a lot of NSX stuff will start to trickle down into the RLX & TLX.


I know you are waiting for that :-)
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^^^ And we ask why these cars cost so much? These aren’t our grandfathers rides!
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Thanks pgeorg.

I'd certainly feel a lot better if I'm able to switch off the automatic stuff whenever i want.
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I am at 78,000+ miles now still have original break pads and they aren't low. I am at Honda to get one of the blinker lights fixed because it is going 2-3x faster then normal. Put 3K miles on it going to Las Vegas and back. I plan to drive this thing to the ground. Hopefully 300-500K but I am not going to fix every little part going wrong every few months if that ever comes to that.
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