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Also in this video, if you pay close attention at the 3:50 mark you can see an HDMI port.
I guess our infotainment system has the capability of having an HDMI input connection......
The car looked unbalanced through the turn at 1:36.
I have noticed similar behavior with the stock tires in the rain. Under-steer to over-steer mid corner. I have not experienced this behavior with the snow tires in any condition.
Looks like they get an upgraded rear armrest in addition to the hdmi input.
But what is it with this yahoo? Do you really have to video tape pressing every freakin' button and switch in the car....multiple times? We get it...they are buttons and switches. You press them for stuff to happen. It's not like we can appreciate the tactile feel of the buttons and switches from the video. Oh, and while you zoom in on every freakin' button and switch, let's block the view of what functionality that freakin' button or switch has by scrolling text over the video. Video is always more animated when text blocks the images.
And maybe you need to open the bi-directional center console armrest 11 more times from each side. I think we may have missed that point. While you are at it, maybe raising and lowering the window shades 37 times will better get the point across. Maybe he should video himself mouthing voice commands, all 2,764 of them with no microphone so not to interrupt the whoa cool sound track. How about you zoom in and out 16 times on every visible cue of the car, or at least until we vomit from motion sickness.
Where do these people come from? And where do they get the notion this is how video documentary is supposed to be done? A phone cam and YouTube and every yahoo is a video journalist.
Somehow through all that visual noise and epilepsy I noticed the LEGEND has different wood grain pattern, I like the two tone interior, the interior LEDs seem whiter (in the vanity mirrors and overhead console lights). It would be expected some of the console and armrest features will make it into the MMC, especially the wireless charging pads.
And yes, I have read in the TLX forum (yes I was brave to read what goes on in there) and the MDX forum that HDMI ports do exist in our head units. What they are capable of has been speculated but no proof of concept executed.
OK, I better get some sleep and clear my cache of WTF. But before I do I will brush my teeth and video pressing the button on my electric toothbrush 67.316 times, just in case someone has been searching for that on YouTube.
Sheesh.
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Pretty damn impressive for a nearly 4400 pound luxury sedan!! Thanks.
Even with low rolling resistance AS Touring tires, I think that is quite impressive. I really do not need to know the track times, nor g force because the video clearly demonstrates the car is far more capable than I could ever drive it on real roads. The only metric that impresses me is how it feels when I drive it, aka the 'Butt Test'.
This seems to be the longer video. Does it seem that the driver is able to get into the gas sooner coming out of a turn than in other cars he is testing in the video? Also he seems much less busy with the wheel corrections than in others he drives. The Sport Hybrid is no track car, but the intake/exhaust sounds are awesome I think. Very smooth and turbine like, and quick transmission shifts like the GT3 in particular video.
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This seems to be the longer video. Does it seem that the driver is able to get into the gas sooner coming out of a turn than in other cars he is testing in the video? Also he seems much less busy with the wheel corrections than in others he drives. The Sport Hybrid is no track car, but the intake/exhaust sounds are awesome I think. Very smooth and turbine like, and quick transmission shifts like the GT3 in particular video.
I was just popping over to link to this video. :-)
The same group that tested the Legend got 1.01 with the Porsche GT3, if that helps the people asking for relative times.
Holografique will be interested in their comments that although they liked the Legend very much, they did not feel the suspension lent itself well to regular daily commuting, or something like that.
They spent a lot of time talking about the Honda relative to their other cars, and you could tell they liked it.
I was personally interested in their comments about even a modern GT3 being unpredictable, and in their supposition that in some conditions with some drivers the M3 and M4 could beat the times of the GT3.
Tsukuba is an older Japanese track that is popular with testers because (1)they know it well and (2)it's usually a little cheaper to buy than other tracks.
One of the drivers remarked that Honda seemed determined to have solved the understeer issues that people commented about in earlier FWD Legends.
This is responsible for the relatively early transition to neutral and oversteer that disturbs some reviewers.
I wonder if a 2016 car would look the same on video, considering the changes.
I've heard the shocks have thicker rods now, the springs rates are softer, and the rear roll bar is thinner!
What i can say my 2016 SH is much softer, with more body roll, and a little bit more unsettled when changing lanes fast, then the 2015 P-AWS i had. It is also much more civilized during regular drives on uneven-broken pavement. I am getting used to it now, and i can drive the SH with much more confidence that i did the P-AWS. It is even a little more softer now with the 18in snow tires on.....
Looks like they get an upgraded rear armrest in addition to the hdmi input.
They have wireless charging, too. One station in the front armrest, and one in the rear armrest.
The rear armrest has controls for two zone climate, and full control of the Krell Audio system. I do not know how they differentiate between front and back for the audio, and I assume that the driver can turn off or over ride the rear audio controls.
This is Tsukuba circuit. It's a track that Best Motoring used a lot from the late 80's to around 5 years ago, when they closed down. Best Motoring is a Japanese car show that is famous for testing new stock cars with real Japanese professional race car drivers as the hosts and drivers. It's my all-time favorite car show!
The lap times do fluctuate depending on the weather and track condition. For instance, for the NSX, I have seen Best Motoring getting 1:05 to 1:07.
Here are some fastest laps for comparison:
Nismo GT-R R35: 1:01
Porsche 911 GT3 (991): 1:01
Ferrari 458 Italia: 1:02
Ferrari F40: 1:04
BMW M4: 1:05
Honda NSX-R: 1:05
Nismo 370Z: 1:07
Honda S2000 Type S: 1:07
Honda Integra Type R (DC2): 1:10
BMW 335i: 1:10
Lexus GS450h: 1:11
They have wireless charging, too. One station in the front armrest, and one in the rear armrest.
The rear armrest has controls for two zone climate, and full control of the Krell Audio system. I do not know how they differentiate between front and back for the audio, and I assume that the driver can turn off or over ride the rear audio controls.
But that's just a guess.
What is wireless charging? Do you mean a 12 volt charger receptacle?
Wireless charging pads are available for several phone models. BUT the phone needs to be capable of a wireless charge. The LEGEND has one in the front console armrest and one in the rear seat armrest.
I know some phone have these, but I assumed they were proprietary to each Brand. So there are standards that the charger works across manufacturers? What a concept
I tried to find Legend video from Best Motoring to show you that they're lunatics, but the most recent one that I could find was a 2005 model year 4G Legend, so it wasn't really relevant.
Anyway....
Summer tyres on the Lexus, and different driving teams.
There are any number of ways to quantify relative performance between cars, but I don't think this is it. :-)
I still can't get over their being able to lose control of a modern GT3 [....].
Tires are what win races (Days of Thunder). You can have a great car with all season tires turn in a good track time, and then transform it with summer tires on the same track taking seconds off immediately. GK can attest to that little detail. I'll bet the SH would have been a couple or more seconds quicker with better summer tires.
For sure, tires play a huge part in lap times.....using an extreme example, we can all compare the lap times when a F1 car is running soft compound, vs medium compound.
Based on the early first drive reviews of the new NSX, similar things were also said about tire choice.
A better comparison would be the 3G TL vs 3G TL A-spec. With the all season tires, the car was pulling 0.81g. With the A-spec tires (and inch up rims), grip increased to 0.9g.
I was speaking with someone about our discussion in here, and the Lexus that appeared to have the same times, and that people were talking about tyres.
He acknowledged tyres are probably the biggest issue...
...but then, "Remember you've only got 72 HP on the rear wheels and no Torsen axle."
I think they drive with stock tires. It makes sense, they test stock cars. They test what you get from a manufacturer. Somehow, acura seems too give poor quality tires in compare to others. It's their fault that the car's performance is crippled. All of the sudden all this SH-AWD goes out of the window and people think this is just marketing bul*it because it can't beat cars without it. Acura fails on so many levels, imho.
In my opinion, It would be pretty silly to sell a car with soft summer tires just so the media track days look better. Good for Acura to NOT bow to marketing pressure and equip their cars with tires that actually perform in real world conditions - that is NOT just dry, warm race tracks. Maybe they should repeat the track test in the middle of winter and then compare the summer tire equipped GS with the All season tire equipped Legend??
I think the better solution would be for reputable testers to equip ALL of their test cars with identical tires and then perform their laps around the track - that seems to be a more truthful comparison of the relative performance of the CARS and not simply a tire comparison.
Further, all manufacturers are required to meet EPA efficiency benchmarks for the brand. As a result they try to eek out every mpg to meet that goal. Harder compounds in low rolling resistance tires achieve that but compromise handling at limits. It is all about compromise in a formula they think will appeal to MOST consumers. If Toyota tuned the Camry to be track capable, they would sell to a minority of Track Camry enthusiasts (although I question that oxymoron). BUT the majority of Camry owners would complain to high heaven. Acura has been 'de-tuning' suspensions customers felt too harsh and sales rose significantly. TOO BAD for the track car enthusiasts. Modify or move on.
If you want a track car - buy a track car. If you want best in class - buy best in class. Acura is about blending attributes for well rounded products and value. There are no bragging rights for 'well rounded' and 'sensible value' so metrics carping enthusiasts will NEVER be satisfied. For Pete's sake, it is an executive luxury sedan.
I have no issues with people who would like to know what it's track capability is, or to assess how modifications you make score, but to whine it is not best in class is so very misguided. The RLX was never to be built for that. If it was, there would be no need for an NSX.
I point to James May's (Captain Slow) proclamation: "I do NOT want my daily driver tuned for Nurenburg!"
In my opinion, It would be pretty silly to sell a car with soft summer tires just so the media track days look better. Good for Acura to NOT bow to marketing pressure and equip their cars with tires that actually perform in real world conditions - that is NOT just dry, warm race tracks. Maybe they should repeat the track test in the middle of winter and then compare the summer tire equipped GS with the All season tire equipped Legend?
It's two different groups of testers who weren't really out to make the point that we seem to be inferring from the tests.
:-)
I doubt you're going to get either the two groups of testers or the two manufacturers to cooperate with the idea.
^^I agree completely, I was mostly just venting at the inequitable nature of the test because some seemed to be drawing inferences from the tests.
The Sport Hybrid is a kick ass car! I don't recall any SH owner not loving their cars. Who cares what tires are on it. We don't drive them hard enough for a tire choice to make any difference at all.
I think it is legitimate to test the cars with stock tires and stock everything. You get a straight up comparison of what the car you are buying can do. Performance on the track is one measure of how the car will perform for you if you are into that criteria. The main purpose of the RLX-SH is performance, not mpg right? Then it should be measured "as is" and compared to other performance cars as is.
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