Fabvsix

A sneak peek at the most power ACURA ever built...

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=888461&page=3 (scroll down to mid to lower bottom of page 3 here)

Fabvsix

Patience is golden.....

Fabvsix

WOW!!! 23 peeps and no comments.....so what do you folks think they will price this machine?? Most powerful Acura???? What will the NSX have powerwise?????

holografique

you should know well by now that haters are never satisfied...

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

maybe, instead of linking to a post and asking the readers too find the picture....

you could have just started a thread with the picture...

Fabvsix

buyers remorse more than haters.....LOL.....never jump on the first model....they always introduce the "sport variant" last.....Like the S-Type on previous models..... or the Sport model (07 MDX SPORT)

Fabvsix

buyers remorse more than haters.....LOL.....never jump on the first model....they always introduce the "sport variant" last.....Like the S-Type on previous models..... or the Sport model (07 MDX SPORT)

Fabvsix

Article in the quarterly Acura Magazine Style.....ironic the last page in the mag! Go figure!!! 68 peeps and counting....

getakey

this is amusing

hondamore

I'm stoked to see the "real" RLX debut next month, but I'm also tempering my enthusiasm since it likely won't arrive in Canada until next summer. I do prefer the front end of the AWD version leaked pic to the FWD version. Looking forward to the reaction of the auto press when they get the ESHAWD on the track. My two cents.

Edward'TLS

What can we comment on a scanned picture ?

There are no official price list, no official hp specs, no official transmission specs, no official feature/equipment specs, etc., to talk about.

Wait a bit more until the above specs become officially available, then this thread will be packed with more discussions.

weather

hondamore...I agree that we won't see the RLX AWD until late spring or early summer..May June?

neuronbob

Eh.... Folks are not interested in this thread because it's a repost and have already seen this pic. Nevertheless....here we are, a few weeks from release and I admit to some relief that, as stated above, the "real" RLX is almost here.

misdeismo

The thing I like about Acura is that they are forward thinking, this is the next big tech evolution in the auto industry. Currently hybrid technology is used to improve just fuel economy and power. Acura is the only one to use hybrid technology to improve fuel, economy, power and handling other than Tesla.

I know this is extremely pre-mature and probably not of much concern for a car in this class but the major difference between Acura's and Tesla's implementations is that because Acura also uses an engine, it is quite simple to boost the power of the car. However the fact that there is no driveshaft means that if you ever wanted to do any FI or increase the engine output considerably, you would be increasing the power to the front wheels.

The real beauty of this system therefore comes in the NSX implementation where the engine powers the rear wheels.

George Knighton

Something that I've never seen verified before was the choice of transmissions.

We kept hearing conflicting reports over whether they'd chose the 9 speed ZF transmission or the 7 speed automated manual.

370-390 HP is what I'd been hearing recently so that is not a big surprise.

I've looked at the FWD RLX up close to check the build quality and materials and I am impressed at what they're putting on the cheaper models, so I am very much looking forward to the SH-AWD car as a replacement for my current daily driver.

Couldn't be more delighted with how it's turning out...looks like the typical Acura "logical" compromise between all the different items you have to weigh when you build a car.

I'm sure people will hate it but that's fine.

It just makes a good deal available for those of us who "get it" when they describe "logical" performance and "logical" luxury. :-)

People thought I was a moron in December 2009 when I got my 4G TL 6-6 SH-AWD and now those same people can't wait to try to buy it from me if I get the RLX SH-AWD in December 2013.

83,000 trouble free miles and there isn't a day that goes by I don't stop and think for a moment, "What a nice car."

acuralvr1

Looking forward to to seeing the SH-AWD model

islandbeef

Being a "sport" model, does this mean it's lowered in stance?

weather

^^^ You have to be kidding right?! This is Acura who believes Bland sells.... *lol*

islandbeef

Bland and lowered then?

George Knighton

Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?

:-)

hondamore

I believe the term Acura would use is "conservative". Acura's core buyers are previous Honda owners and there aren't a lot of wild, outrageous looking Accords and CRV's out there. Where Acura may be missing the boat is in believing that those same buyers want nothing but the same "conservative" styling when they move up to the luxury models.

I'm guessing the new TLX will have a little more "flash" and sportiness, but the RLX is primarily aimed at the 50+ crowd who tend to be more concerned about a quiet, smooth ride and lots of room for their friends and their golf clubs and are thus more accepting of a "conservative" exterior.

KeithL

Not sure when dealers are getting cars, but we picked up the gf's new 14 AWD RDX Twch and I was asking when they would get the hybrid and they had no clue and said it will still be awhile.

neuronbob

No, and don't make me come back there!

weather

KeithL....I was told that the dealers in Canada aren't getting the RLX SH-SH-AWD until May of 2014.

George Knighton

I'm encouraged at everything that I've seen so far, but disheartened that I will not be able to buy one in December the way that I'd expected.

If we're not getting the RLX SH-AWD until the Spring then it will be arriving very close to the arrival of the 2015 TLX SH-AWD, making for a difficult choice.

Except, of course, if it looks like the TLX is the better thing to buy I'll be saving about 20 - 25 grand.

0_o

weather

^^ I suspect that between the two, the TLX will be the better of the two for me given my size. I am a tall and very slim individual and the TL is already on the big size for me. I like the original size of the TSX (and the ILX) so given the TLX is expected to shrink a little, it might be the better of the two.

Also, I read some interesting stuff about the I4 turbo engine coming to Honda/Acura and it appears the ILX could get that engine. Now that would be a fun little car at the listed 270HP or so stated....

Colin

It's worth pointing out that there is no indication that the TLX will get the same hybrid drivetrain as the RLX. In fact, it's almost been stated that it will receive something similar to the new Accord hybrid drivetrain which would mean four-cylinder Atkinson cycle engine combined with two motors.

It certainly looks as if the next couple of years are going to be a veritable drivetrain-palooza from Honda. There are the three new turbocharged engines (although the 2.0 270 hp version hasn't been confirmed for North America), the new CVT transmissions, new DCT transmissions, and Sport Hybrid AWD.

KeithL

The need to offer a Type-S TLX with the SH-AWD hybrid form the RLX, put some of the great styling on the 3G Type-S and they will have a hit on their hands. The $60-70K is a waste of their time right now, but they can compete in the $40-$55K market if they try!

4dr4bangrAccord

crxb

my guess is the TLX SH-AWD system will be much like the new MDX
(no electric motors)

4dr4bangrAccord

http://acuraconnected.com/2013/11/20...tec-turbo-ilx/

Colin

That's my guess too. As for the ILX Turbo shown. IMO, the 1.5 + CVT is the most likely candidate if it were to come this generation. However, many suggest that new engines won't debut till the FMC in a couple years. Also, Honda is 'studying' bringing the 2.0 Turbo to the US.

weather

I hope the ILX will come with something better in the MMC...At least the 2.4 as in the Dynamic model for the automatic version.

I am encouraged to see Acura is realizing that its gotta start catching up with the competition - Seeing the story on the Kia K900 and all it will offers is mind blowing! If Kia/Huyndai would create a luxury division, improve its driveability, it could have quite a sale success on their hand and would put Acura to shame....the company that brought Asian Luxury to NA.

OhioMDXer

I'm also thinking along the lines of this, either a separate Type S or just bundle the Advance trim with the SH SH-AWD hybrid engine. I am still patiently waiting for the TLX and I hope it doesn't disappoint. If it does, I don't know but that avatar of yours (Audi A6) is starting to pique my interest.

Edward'TLS

Agree. The TLX will definitely not get the same 3-motor hybrid powertrain as the hybrid RLX.

Acura had been through this ugly path before, with the AWD TL sharing the exact same 3.7L-V6/SH-AWD hardware as the AWD RL.

Buyers found it hard to justify spending many thousands of $ more on the AWD RL over the AWD TL, when the TL was virtually the same sedan except with less gadgets that most didn't find necessary to have anyway.

So it was the AWD TL that drove the final nails in the RL's coffin.

Thus, the TLX must not have the same 3-motor powertrain as the RLX, or risk the already slow-selling flagship RLX going down the same path as the failed RL sedan.

islandbeef

Smart money goes to the TLX, then. With all the do-dads the AWD RLX will have, I'm thinking $67K+ right off the bat. And you get fog lights too!

KeithL

It was more than the engine, the TL looks as big or bigger than the RL and had almost all the same or more features. Infiniti puts 3.7 in multiple cars, does not impact sales. Lexus has 3.5 in IS and GS and offers hybrids in ES and GS. Acura nees to do better model delineation and targets.

Edward'TLS

^^^^^

It was and still is engine+drivetrain issue. The 4G AWD TL had the exact same propulsion hardware (3.7L-V6 + SH-AWD) as the top-of-the-line 2G flagship RL.

The major difference was that the 2G RL had a lot more gadgets than the 4G AWD TL, such as genuine wood interior trims, adaptive headlights, backup camera, adaptive cruise control, CMBS, folding side mirrors, etc.

The reason why Infiniti and Lexus can be successful in putting the same V6 engine in both lower class models (G37, IS350) and upper class models (M37, GS350) is because the upper class models always have a V8 (or a much-higher-power V6) engine option (M56, GS460) to distance or up themselves from the lower class V6 models.

Likewise for the A6/S6(V8), 535/550(V8), E350/E550(V8).

But no such luck for the 2G RL because the most powerful Acura engine and the most advanced Acura AWD system were also given to the 4G TL. The upper class 2G RL has nothing superior to position itself away from the lower class 4G TL.

Similarly, if the A6/5-series/M/GS/E-class share the same V6 with the A4/3-series/G/IS/C-class, and have no V8 (or much-higher-power V6) engine option, then the A6/5-series/M/GS/E-class would also fail the same way as the ill-fated 2G RL.

Colin

This is not correct. There were differences that favored the RL, but they were subtle and even the enthusiasts here often miss them. The RL has a carbon fiber reinforced driveshaft vs. steel and a planetary gear setup allowing for up to ~5% overspeed vs a fixed ~1.7%.

Also in the drivetrain: RL used aluminum for steering knuckles, upper control arms, lower control arms up front. In the rear the control arms and subframe are aluminum but these components were all steel in the TL (maybe the TL had aluminum knuckles...).

The RL also used 4-piston aluminum calipers for the front brakes vs. 2-pistons for the TL and had vented rear rotors vs. solid.

As for the TLX, I'd love to see it receive a 'simpler' version of the RLX AWD system, maybe minus the DCT with the 3rd electric motor in it. They could add two motors on the real axle to provide torque vectoring and still call it SH-AWD if they wanted to. However, I think this has a 'slim to none' chance of happening since we already 'know' it'll be the Accord system. Maybe the TLX Coupe could get something like this?

db22

They should differentiate between SH-AWD and AWD, yes the two (or more) systems do try to implement the same functionality but if you pay more for the better system then it should be noted in the badging. The RL has always had the best SH-AWD but most people never knew it, the RDX, MDX and the TL were never as effective in operation but they were all lumped in the same category. I think that marketing took the wrong direction with the lack of differentiation between the systems.