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06-17-2008, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
So we finally got FIOS installed at the house. Because of the layout of our home we had to run the cat5 to the family room where the router they provided is located.
Now comes the issue of whether or not a third party router will work. I tried connecting my Netgear Router (WGT624 v3) using the cable out of the wall and it wasn't able to establish a connection to the network
The installer mentioned something about their service recognizing the MAC address of the router, so I set the MAC address of my router to be the same as the MAC address of the router they provided and it still didn't work.
Is there a step I'm missing or or there particular routers that will only work with their service? Previously in this thread I raised this question and a couple people said they were able to use their own routers with the service.
Now comes the issue of whether or not a third party router will work. I tried connecting my Netgear Router (WGT624 v3) using the cable out of the wall and it wasn't able to establish a connection to the network
The installer mentioned something about their service recognizing the MAC address of the router, so I set the MAC address of my router to be the same as the MAC address of the router they provided and it still didn't work.Is there a step I'm missing or or there particular routers that will only work with their service? Previously in this thread I raised this question and a couple people said they were able to use their own routers with the service.
06-17-2008, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MD03CL-S
I use my own router (Linksys) and it works fine. I have my network cable going directly from the Verizon box to my Linksys box. Didn't change any MAC settings. Once I connected my Linksys to the Verizon box, I connected my Laptop to the Linksys box and changed the IP settings and configured the wireless.
If you are connecting the cable from the fiber box to your router, what model linksys router are you using?
06-17-2008, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MD03CL-S
I use my own router (Linksys) and it works fine. I have my network cable going directly from the Verizon box to my Linksys box. Didn't change any MAC settings. Once I connected my Linksys to the Verizon box, I connected my Laptop to the Linksys box and changed the IP settings and configured the wireless.
I also tried it with my old SMC..
06-17-2008, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Well i tried that with my linksys and it didnt work...
I also tried it with my old SMC..
I also tried it with my old SMC..
I've been trying to find a list of routers compatible with FIOS but haven't been lucky with my Google searches.
06-17-2008, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
when you say verizon box, are you refering to the router or the box that connects the fiber to your home?
If you are connecting the cable from the fiber box to your router, what model linksys router are you using?
If you are connecting the cable from the fiber box to your router, what model linksys router are you using?
06-18-2008, 08:03 AM
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Both the Verizon router and your Linksys are probably using the same IP address. Change the IP of your Linksys to 192.168.2.1 or something. That should work. Can't have two devices with the same IP.
Edit: If the Verizon box is going to be handling your DHCP, you'll also have to set the Linksys as an access point, not a DHCP server.
We also got FiOS last Friday. 20/5 internet and the TV package with Movies. I ran the coax over my dropped ceiling to the computer desk and wired up the router on my desk so that I could run CAT6 from the router to my computers. Through wireless I get about 16mb/s. Through wired, I get 22. Insane.
Edit: If the Verizon box is going to be handling your DHCP, you'll also have to set the Linksys as an access point, not a DHCP server.
We also got FiOS last Friday. 20/5 internet and the TV package with Movies. I ran the coax over my dropped ceiling to the computer desk and wired up the router on my desk so that I could run CAT6 from the router to my computers. Through wireless I get about 16mb/s. Through wired, I get 22. Insane.
06-18-2008, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete1burn
Both the Verizon router and your Linksys are probably using the same IP address. Change the IP of your Linksys to 192.168.2.1 or something. That should work. Can't have two devices with the same IP.
I should have thought of that! Thanks. I'll go into the admin panel of the verizon actiontec router, release the IP Verizon issued to that router and then hook up my router and see if it works.
06-18-2008, 09:32 AM
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No, we're talking static IPs. Your Verizon router is probably using 192.168.1.1 and your Linksys is using the same. Change your Linksys IP to 192.168.2.1 and set to be an access point, not a router. Releasing the IP is only releasing the external IP the router gets from the internet.
06-18-2008, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete1burn
No, we're talking static IPs. Your Verizon router is probably using 192.168.1.1 and your Linksys is using the same. Change your Linksys IP to 192.168.2.1 and set to be an access point, not a router. Releasing the IP is only releasing the external IP the router gets from the internet.
Forgive my networking ignorance, but if my actiontec verizon FiOS router is turned off when I have my netgear router plugged into the FiOS line, why should it matter to the router that it has 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.2.1.
I'm pluggin the Cat5e cable coming out of the wall jack into my Netgear router. That jack was installed by the FiOS installer and goes to the box in the garage connecting the house to the fiber line. The actiontec router is turned off and not being used when I'm trying to get the netgear router to connect to the internet. I can connect to my internal network just fine, I can even access the admin panel for my Netgear router. The Netgear router however is not able to get an IP from the ISP and also doesn't update it's DNS server information so I can't get onto the Interwebs
06-18-2008, 11:45 AM
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The CAT5 jack in the wall is coming off of the Verizon router, isn't it? My install may have been different. I have coax coming from the box in the basement, the router plugs into the coax, and my machines into the router. If the router is in your basement, and the CAT5 is coming out of the router, then you'll need to rework that.
If yours is just straight CAT5, then yes, you should be able to use your own router. In that case what's happening is you need to change the connection type in your Linksys router to a PPPoE connection and supply it with your username and password that you set up with the FiOS guy in order for it to authenticate on the Verizon network.
If yours is just straight CAT5, then yes, you should be able to use your own router. In that case what's happening is you need to change the connection type in your Linksys router to a PPPoE connection and supply it with your username and password that you set up with the FiOS guy in order for it to authenticate on the Verizon network.
06-18-2008, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete1burn
The CAT5 jack in the wall is coming off of the Verizon router, isn't it? My install may have been different. I have coax coming from the box in the basement, the router plugs into the coax, and my machines into the router. If the router is in your basement, and the CAT5 is coming out of the router, then you'll need to rework that.
If yours is just straight CAT5, then yes, you should be able to use your own router. In that case what's happening is you need to change the connection type in your Linksys router to a PPPoE connection and supply it with your username and password that you set up with the FiOS guy in order for it to authenticate on the Verizon network.
If yours is just straight CAT5, then yes, you should be able to use your own router. In that case what's happening is you need to change the connection type in your Linksys router to a PPPoE connection and supply it with your username and password that you set up with the FiOS guy in order for it to authenticate on the Verizon network.
To sum up, we are only using the Internet and Phone service off of FiOS, we aren't using the coax. For this reason I asked him to run a cat5 cable from the box in the garage to the router because if I wanted to swap routers I could, otherwise if he ran the coax to the router, I'd be stuck and would have to run my own cat 5 from the box in the garage to the router.
06-18-2008, 12:22 PM
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You'd have to call Verizon and have them give it to you. He didn't give you the option of specifying a username and password? Weird. The guy did it on his own laptop, but he let me put in all my info.
In any case, Verizon should be able to get it to you. Select PPPoE in your router and that will pop up a username and password box. Throw them in and it should work.
In any case, Verizon should be able to get it to you. Select PPPoE in your router and that will pop up a username and password box. Throw them in and it should work.
06-18-2008, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete1burn
You'd have to call Verizon and have them give it to you. He didn't give you the option of specifying a username and password? Weird. The guy did it on his own laptop, but he let me put in all my info.
In any case, Verizon should be able to get it to you. Select PPPoE in your router and that will pop up a username and password box. Throw them in and it should work.
In any case, Verizon should be able to get it to you. Select PPPoE in your router and that will pop up a username and password box. Throw them in and it should work.
06-18-2008, 01:03 PM
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Is the PPPoE username/password the same as your verizon online username and password???
That's kinda what I gathered from the support section of the verizon website but I wanted to make sure.
That's kinda what I gathered from the support section of the verizon website but I wanted to make sure.
06-18-2008, 01:08 PM
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Yes, if the username and password you use on the site gets you to your account info and stuff.
Edit: I gotta tell you man, your setup doesn't make sense to me. I think your router is in the basement. When you get home, go to start, run, type in CMD and hit enter. Then type in ipconfig and hit enter again. If your IP is 192.168.x.x then you DO have a router, just not in plain sight.
Edit: I gotta tell you man, your setup doesn't make sense to me. I think your router is in the basement. When you get home, go to start, run, type in CMD and hit enter. Then type in ipconfig and hit enter again. If your IP is 192.168.x.x then you DO have a router, just not in plain sight.
06-18-2008, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete1burn
Yes, if the username and password you use on the site gets you to your account info and stuff.
Edit: I gotta tell you man, your setup doesn't make sense to me. I think your router is in the basement. When you get home, go to start, run, type in CMD and hit enter. Then type in ipconfig and hit enter again. If your IP is 192.168.x.x then you DO have a router, just not in plain sight.
Edit: I gotta tell you man, your setup doesn't make sense to me. I think your router is in the basement. When you get home, go to start, run, type in CMD and hit enter. Then type in ipconfig and hit enter again. If your IP is 192.168.x.x then you DO have a router, just not in plain sight.
I think the reason I don't know my username and password is because we skipped that step because when it came to that point we both thought i didn't need it because I don't use verizon's email service, but now that I know about the PPPoE deal, it sounds like I need to know my username and password so that I can put that info into my netgear router. There's a form you can go through on the verizon service to register a username and password and tie it to your existing account, that's what I think I need to do now.
06-18-2008, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
lol, the router is definietly in our living room. We don't even have a basement! I was watching him install everything and even asked how he was going to do the install and he said "however you want." So I requested he run cat5 instead of coax because we aren't using the FiOS TV service and I wanted to hook up my own router which requires cat5 and not coax. So, he ran a cat5 cable from the fiber box in the garage to our family room because it would have been too difficult for him to run a cable into our bedroom which is where I used to our DSL modem and netgear router. In the family room he installed a jack which is connected to the line he ran from the garage. That jack has a cat5 cable connected to it which comes from the actiontec router, currently sitting on the floor of our family room.
I think the reason I don't know my username and password is because we skipped that step because when it came to that point we both thought i didn't need it because I don't use verizon's email service, but now that I know about the PPPoE deal, it sounds like I need to know my username and password so that I can put that info into my netgear router. There's a form you can go through on the verizon service to register a username and password and tie it to your existing account, that's what I think I need to do now.
I think the reason I don't know my username and password is because we skipped that step because when it came to that point we both thought i didn't need it because I don't use verizon's email service, but now that I know about the PPPoE deal, it sounds like I need to know my username and password so that I can put that info into my netgear router. There's a form you can go through on the verizon service to register a username and password and tie it to your existing account, that's what I think I need to do now.
You sure have one unique FIOS setup going on.
So the line from the garage is currently going to the actiontec router in your family room? And are you trying to replace the actiontec with your netgear?
06-18-2008, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MD03CL-S
You sure have one unique FIOS setup going on.
So the line from the garage is currently going to the actiontec router in your family room? And are you trying to replace the actiontec with your netgear?
So the line from the garage is currently going to the actiontec router in your family room? And are you trying to replace the actiontec with your netgear?
And yes, I'm trying to replace the actiontec router with either the netgear router I currently own, or if I have to buy a newer one i don't mind.
06-19-2008, 08:43 AM
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That makes much more sense. lol
But yeah, what I said should work. If not, post again with what you did and what happened and I'll try to help you out. To simplify matters, you might want to just call FiOS support and try to get your username and password out of them.
But yeah, what I said should work. If not, post again with what you did and what happened and I'll try to help you out. To simplify matters, you might want to just call FiOS support and try to get your username and password out of them.
06-19-2008, 11:07 PM
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Well i tried that with my linksys and it didnt work...
I also tried it with my old SMC..
I also tried it with my old SMC..
the router they gave me work for 1 year and it burnt out due to power outage..and they wanted 150 for a new router..i was like wtf..
side note: fiber optic with verizon is good for USENET user...u get 9 days retention period and u dl at uncapped speed =)
06-20-2008, 08:20 AM
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side note: fiber optic with verizon is good for USENET user...u get 9 days retention period and u dl at uncapped speed =)
www.usenetserver.com
If anyone wants to sign up, let me know so I can refer you. We both get credit for it.
06-20-2008, 10:32 AM
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Talked to the Verizon sales tech yesterday and determined they can split the bill between phone/internet and cable, so we might be passing the internet and phone bill on to the wife's employer. That might be an extra $100/mo in the bank.
06-20-2008, 12:30 PM
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No Fios avail yet here. Though i am happy with my 15mbps service with RoadRunner. Just wish i had the 15 up
06-20-2008, 01:53 PM
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9 days? Shit sign up with a real usenet provider and get 120 days retention.
www.usenetserver.com
If anyone wants to sign up, let me know so I can refer you. We both get credit for it.
www.usenetserver.com
If anyone wants to sign up, let me know so I can refer you. We both get credit for it.
06-20-2008, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
And yes, I'm trying to replace the actiontec router with either the netgear router I currently own, or if I have to buy a newer one i don't mind.
1. I assume that the installer put a Cat5 into the wan port of your actiontec. If he used Coax then you need to get Verizon to enable the Cat5 on the ONT or it will never work.
2. How old is your installation? If it is recent you most likely don't have PPPOe and don't need to worry about that part of the setup. If you are using PPPOe you can use any ID/Password you like, verizon doesn't authenticate but something needs to be there.
3. This is probably what your problem is: Before you disconnect your Actiontec you must go into the Actiontec control panel and release the IP that it received from Verizon. Verizon will only lease 1 IP to your house. If you don't release the IP you need to wait about 2 hours before they will give a lease to your other router.
06-23-2008, 10:23 AM
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Anyone have the TV/Phone/Internet package? Is it worth about 30 bucks more a month then what you get with Comcast?
06-23-2008, 10:32 AM
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We have the "triple freedom" bundle and we're satisfied. We switched from DirecTV, not :communistcast, but my parents have that and I believe they over-pay for what they get. They don't have HD, though, so it's hard for me to do an apples-to-apples comparison. I definitely recommend FIOS though. 
07-03-2008, 03:46 PM
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FIOS Order is in 
07-03-2008, 04:13 PM
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Trying not to see if I can watch the Giants play in PA....Not sure, looks like you can watch on the Internet maybe. 
07-28-2008, 08:11 AM
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Trying not to see if I can watch the Giants play in PA....Not sure, looks like you can watch on the Internet maybe.
07-28-2008, 08:17 AM
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I'd think you'd have to get the Sunday Ticket package if you want to be guaranteed seeing an out-of-market team every Sunday.
If you were a Pats or Cowboys fan, you'd probably only miss two games out of the entire year.
If you were a Pats or Cowboys fan, you'd probably only miss two games out of the entire year.
07-28-2008, 08:28 AM
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I read the Sunday ticket is only on Direct TV....?
07-28-2008, 08:35 AM
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I read the Sunday ticket is only on Direct TV....?
Guess you'll have to become an Eagles fan.....
07-28-2008, 08:59 AM
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Oops -- yeah you're right about that.
Guess you'll have to become an Eagles fan.....
Guess you'll have to become an Eagles fan.....
Does anyone have a better idea? Did anyone use the Internet service?
07-28-2008, 09:36 AM
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Does anyone have a better idea? Did anyone use the Internet service?
If you know somebody with DirecTV, if they sign up for Sunday Ticket there's also a Superfan package for an extra $100 that gives you games in HD, plus other stuff, and that now includes watching all of the games online. You can split the cost with your friend and you can watch the games online. I think this is the first year they're doing it, though, so I'm not sure about the quality but I'm going to find out.
Looks like NFL.com also has something called GamePass, where you can watch games online:
http://www.nfl.com/help/gamepass
They still have their mid-season info up from last year; not sure when they will update for this coming season. It says the full package is $280 a year, but if you only want Giants games you can get one game a week for $200.