Hey Srika look at this.... Intel Quad Core :drool:
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Hey Srika look at this.... Intel Quad Core :drool:
http://blog.wired.com/business/2006/...meets_key.html
Tuesday, 28 November 2006
Intel meets key deadline for next-gen chip
Topic: Semiconductors
Intel has finished design work on its next-generation processor, a key step in allowing the chip giant to meet a promise to get the product to market in the second half of next year. The processor will feature four processing cores and will be built on the Core microarchitecture, a blue print designed to boost performance while conserving power consumption.
Penryn, the code-name for the new chip, will be Intel's first using a process method that shrinks average chip features to 45 nanometers, or 45 billionths of a meter.
Just as a smaller font size allows more words to be printed on the same size piece of paper, smaller chip features mean more transistors can be crammed onto the same piece of silicon. That, in turn, allows chips to run faster and use fewer watts, a key selling point as the cost of powering large fleets of computers continues to soar. It will also enable additional features to be added, such as larger memory cache.
The timely advent of Penryn's is key to the wellbeing of Intel, which for much of the past three years has lagged behind Advanced Micro Devices. The introduction of Intel's Core 2 Duo has allowed Intel to regain the performance lead, and Penryn could mean that edge won't be short lived.
Intel marketers, who held meet and greets with reporters over the past two days, remained mum on most details, such as the frequency speed of the new chip or the number of transistors it will contain.
Rob Willoner, a technology analyst for Intel, did say Penryn will offer an expanded instruction set that will allow PCs to process audio, video and other media content more efficiently.
look like next year we'll be seeing a huge jump in performance 
Tuesday, 28 November 2006
Intel meets key deadline for next-gen chip
Topic: Semiconductors
Intel has finished design work on its next-generation processor, a key step in allowing the chip giant to meet a promise to get the product to market in the second half of next year. The processor will feature four processing cores and will be built on the Core microarchitecture, a blue print designed to boost performance while conserving power consumption.
Penryn, the code-name for the new chip, will be Intel's first using a process method that shrinks average chip features to 45 nanometers, or 45 billionths of a meter.
Just as a smaller font size allows more words to be printed on the same size piece of paper, smaller chip features mean more transistors can be crammed onto the same piece of silicon. That, in turn, allows chips to run faster and use fewer watts, a key selling point as the cost of powering large fleets of computers continues to soar. It will also enable additional features to be added, such as larger memory cache.
The timely advent of Penryn's is key to the wellbeing of Intel, which for much of the past three years has lagged behind Advanced Micro Devices. The introduction of Intel's Core 2 Duo has allowed Intel to regain the performance lead, and Penryn could mean that edge won't be short lived.
Intel marketers, who held meet and greets with reporters over the past two days, remained mum on most details, such as the frequency speed of the new chip or the number of transistors it will contain.
Rob Willoner, a technology analyst for Intel, did say Penryn will offer an expanded instruction set that will allow PCs to process audio, video and other media content more efficiently.
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saw this a couple days ago in a mag, anyways...
http://www.bcchardware.com/index.php...3301&Itemid=40
^theres a nice lil review
http://www.bcchardware.com/index.php...3301&Itemid=40
^theres a nice lil review
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Maybe Intel will say a bit more at this year's CES.
It's about time! My damn stock hasn't done sh*t in the past few years ... during the tech boom, the stock would split almost as fast as Moore's Law ...
It's about time! My damn stock hasn't done sh*t in the past few years ... during the tech boom, the stock would split almost as fast as Moore's Law ...
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Well Intel has been ramping up quite nicely in the last year and has caught up if not surpassed AMD in processor development. For a while they were lagging big time.
I don't know what AMD has in store to compete with these, but these quad cores sound pretty badass. can't wait to see what they are really capable of.
I don't know what AMD has in store to compete with these, but these quad cores sound pretty badass. can't wait to see what they are really capable of.
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for laptops!?!??!?!? NOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. lol.
looks like current laptops DO have the potential to be dinosaur-like in the not-too-distant future. Unfortunately, I don't know if I can wait much longer. I wonder if it would be a better investment to get a fast desktop for now, and wait to get a laptop.. I think I may do that!
My fastest desktop right now is a P4-2.53 w/ AGP video... its pretty darn outdated. I should be able to get a pretty fast desktop for a good price, and maybe throw a 30" into the mix! Or at least a 24". 1920x1200+ or bust! lol
looks like current laptops DO have the potential to be dinosaur-like in the not-too-distant future. Unfortunately, I don't know if I can wait much longer. I wonder if it would be a better investment to get a fast desktop for now, and wait to get a laptop.. I think I may do that!
My fastest desktop right now is a P4-2.53 w/ AGP video... its pretty darn outdated. I should be able to get a pretty fast desktop for a good price, and maybe throw a 30" into the mix! Or at least a 24". 1920x1200+ or bust! lol
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Yea, in your case you may be better off upgrading your desktop, but then again, if you do that now, then you won't be able to set it up to use the quad core. you may as well wait to get a quad core early next year so at least that computer has that and then wait for the laptop to utilize the quad core as well. 
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
Yea, in your case you may be better off upgrading your desktop, but then again, if you do that now, then you won't be able to set it up to use the quad core. you may as well wait to get a quad core early next year so at least that computer has that and then wait for the laptop to utilize the quad core as well.
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Quad Core sounds cool, but there are so few multi-threaded applications out there that it really wouldn't matter if you had 32 cores. We probably won't see any major benefit to having a multi-core setup for general computing until the end of next year.
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
Yea, in your case you may be better off upgrading your desktop, but then again, if you do that now, then you won't be able to set it up to use the quad core. you may as well wait to get a quad core early next year so at least that computer has that and then wait for the laptop to utilize the quad core as well.
Wow, lots of misinformation on this thread...
1st off the Core 2 Duo chips now smoke anything that exists! A $310 E6600 can be easily overclocked to the fastest CPU that exists for x86 today. Even at it's stock speeds it HAMMERS any AMD CPU so a $180 Core2 DUo > $1000 AMD X2 series.
2nd the QUAD core is 2 month old news...
3rd anyone who buys a current motherboard to run their Core2 DUO that has a Intel 975X +Intel ICH7R chipset will be able to install/upgrade to a quad core processor.
4th quad core is basically useless now for most consumers until more applications are written to support 4 CPU(s). Making it a total waste of $$ for a consumer not needing all of the extra CPU cycles. Especially since a Core 2 DUO chip will not even hit 100% CPU usage on both Cores while gaming the most intense games out now. Now it can be used for other things at the moment, but this really only applies to 1% of users.
5th
Next year a huge jump in performance?
...
So yes, if you buy a Core2 DUO system now with the mentioned above intel chipset you WILL be able to slap a quad core chip into it when they drop to resonable prices. Why waste $1000+ now on a quad core you won't ever utilize, when you can spend $180-300 now and have the fastest CPU out by far.
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Originally Posted by srika
for laptops!?!??!?!? NOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. lol.
looks like current laptops DO have the potential to be dinosaur-like in the not-too-distant future. Unfortunately, I don't know if I can wait much longer. I wonder if it would be a better investment to get a fast desktop for now, and wait to get a laptop.. I think I may do that!
My fastest desktop right now is a P4-2.53 w/ AGP video... its pretty darn outdated. I should be able to get a pretty fast desktop for a good price, and maybe throw a 30" into the mix! Or at least a 24". 1920x1200+ or bust! lol
looks like current laptops DO have the potential to be dinosaur-like in the not-too-distant future. Unfortunately, I don't know if I can wait much longer. I wonder if it would be a better investment to get a fast desktop for now, and wait to get a laptop.. I think I may do that!
My fastest desktop right now is a P4-2.53 w/ AGP video... its pretty darn outdated. I should be able to get a pretty fast desktop for a good price, and maybe throw a 30" into the mix! Or at least a 24". 1920x1200+ or bust! lol
Srkia,
Buy a ASUS mobo like a "P5W DH Deluxe" that has the Intel 975X chipset (yes, 2 RAID controllers, WIFI, 7.1 Surround sound... go check it out)
Get a E6600 CPU (I suggest this, because it's the cheapest one with 4MB cache, all other chips lower than this only have 2MB cache)
Get a good CPU cooler, like a Zalman for the CPU (or go water cooling if you're up to it)
Get 800mhtz DDR2 Memory for sure (PC6400) make sure to download and read the MOBO manual for compatible memory. But the models that match, it'll save you a bunch of hassle.
You'll have a smoking box. At it's stock speeds you'll have a hard time taxing the CPU(s). Then to humor yourself overclock it to 3.0ghz making it even faster than you need. The Core2 DUO chips are good to above 4Ghz with the right cooling, you can easily do 3.5Ghz with just air cooling. But at their stock speeds they are already insane as I was saying before. Even running games like HL2 /w dynamic lighting enabled I don't hit 100% CPU usage on both cores.
Then next year when you are bored with it and Quad core CPU prices have dropped, upgrade to a QUAD core CPU. Just buy one and slap it in...
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Originally Posted by srika
My fastest desktop right now is a P4-2.53 w/ AGP video... its pretty darn outdated.
That's why I ordered a Macbook ...
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
Wow, lots of misinformation on this thread...
1st off the Core 2 Duo chips now smoke anything that exists! A $310 E6600 can be easily overclocked to the fastest CPU that exists for x86 today. Even at it's stock speeds it HAMMERS any AMD CPU so a $180 Core2 DUo > $1000 AMD X2 series.
2nd the QUAD core is 2 month old news...
3rd anyone who buys a current motherboard to run their Core2 DUO that has a Intel 975X +Intel ICH7R chipset will be able to install/upgrade to a quad core processor.
4th quad core is basically useless now for most consumers until more applications are written to support 4 CPU(s). Making it a total waste of $$ for a consumer not needing all of the extra CPU cycles. Especially since a Core 2 DUO chip will not even hit 100% CPU usage on both Cores while gaming the most intense games out now. Now it can be used for other things at the moment, but this really only applies to 1% of users.
5th Dude, wake up... the 'Core 2 DUO' low end chips ($180) smoke anything AMD makes. I have yet to find a game now that maxes out both of my cores on my E6600 Core 2 DUO chip.
...
So yes, if you buy a Core2 DUO system now with the mentioned above intel chipset you WILL be able to slap a quad core chip into it when they drop to resonable prices. Why waste $1000+ now on a quad core you won't ever utilize, when you can spend $180-300 now and have the fastest CPU out by far.
1st off the Core 2 Duo chips now smoke anything that exists! A $310 E6600 can be easily overclocked to the fastest CPU that exists for x86 today. Even at it's stock speeds it HAMMERS any AMD CPU so a $180 Core2 DUo > $1000 AMD X2 series.
2nd the QUAD core is 2 month old news...
3rd anyone who buys a current motherboard to run their Core2 DUO that has a Intel 975X +Intel ICH7R chipset will be able to install/upgrade to a quad core processor.
4th quad core is basically useless now for most consumers until more applications are written to support 4 CPU(s). Making it a total waste of $$ for a consumer not needing all of the extra CPU cycles. Especially since a Core 2 DUO chip will not even hit 100% CPU usage on both Cores while gaming the most intense games out now. Now it can be used for other things at the moment, but this really only applies to 1% of users.
5th Dude, wake up... the 'Core 2 DUO' low end chips ($180) smoke anything AMD makes. I have yet to find a game now that maxes out both of my cores on my E6600 Core 2 DUO chip.
...
So yes, if you buy a Core2 DUO system now with the mentioned above intel chipset you WILL be able to slap a quad core chip into it when they drop to resonable prices. Why waste $1000+ now on a quad core you won't ever utilize, when you can spend $180-300 now and have the fastest CPU out by far.
^^Right now I am building a desktop for myself and putting in an E6600. I am getting the new 680i chipset moboard to go with it (Asus CD2 Striker Extreme, Socket 775 nforce 680i SLI w PCI Express x16). I am excited, but waiting on a bunch of parts to come in, so I cant build it yet.
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Originally Posted by derrick
Hey ... my "current" desktop is a Dell Dimension T550 (Pentium-3 550MHz (top dog at the time)) with 256 megs RAM and a 9 gig U2W-SCSI drive. Try and beat that! It is slow as hell running XP ... don't know why I still use it.
That's why I ordered a Macbook ...
That's why I ordered a Macbook ...
And, I am back on the laptop train.. lol. I have to reformat this 2.53, its been about 3 yrs. It should be faster.
oh and,
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Originally Posted by derrick
Hey ... my "current" desktop is a Dell Dimension T550 (Pentium-3 550MHz (top dog at the time)) with 256 megs RAM and a 9 gig U2W-SCSI drive. Try and beat that! It is slow as hell running XP ... don't know why I still use it.
That's why I ordered a Macbook ...
That's why I ordered a Macbook ...
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Originally Posted by srika
bah, I used to run XP on a P3-450.. it ran fine. :P
Macbook should arrive tomorrow at noon.
(It's slightly on-topic since it has a C2D ...)Question: since it's an Apple, upgrades are next to impossible, right? It's not like a desktop version where you can swap chips (as someone mentioned in another posting ...)
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Originally Posted by derrick
Hey ... but you're not using it ... I *am* ...
Question: since it's an Apple, upgrades are next to impossible, right? It's not like a desktop version where you can swap chips (as someone mentioned in another posting ...)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=260
This could possibly mean the same issue if trying to change from the C2D to something else.. but I don't know for sure.
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Originally Posted by srika
This article is about the next-gen quad core chip...
as far as it being overkill,
as far as it being overkill,
It's not really overkill per say...
For Linux or anyone running a server it's perfect. Any threaded app in Linux will use all 4 CPU(s).
In winblows it's another story, apps have to be written to utilize all 4 CPU(s). Mosts apps as of today will only use 2 of the 4 CPU(s). Don't get me wrong, if you run 4 different apps the windows Kernel will stick each on on it's own CPU. But how often do you run 4 apps that each require 100% of the CPU. Usually you run one monster app that you would like to utilize all 4 CPU(S) simultaneously.
So, until games/basic apps most consumers buy for winblows are able to support 4 processors it's a waste to purchase at the prices it's at.
Although on another note, with games only using 2 of the CPU(s) and the other 2 would be idle. You could probably encode a Divx movie on the other 2 CPU(s) while playing a FPS game at 150+ FPS
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From a development perspective, is writing for "multiple processors" different than writing for "multiple cores?"
In the days of single core processors, I would assume that coding for multiple processors was an entirely different animal than how things are coded today. True? Am I also correct in assuming that with current hardware and development tools you just code against cores and the notion of physical processors is pretty much irrelivant?
In the days of single core processors, I would assume that coding for multiple processors was an entirely different animal than how things are coded today. True? Am I also correct in assuming that with current hardware and development tools you just code against cores and the notion of physical processors is pretty much irrelivant?
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Originally Posted by Billiam
From a development perspective, is writing for "multiple processors" different than writing for "multiple cores?"
In the days of single core processors, I would assume that coding for multiple processors was an entirely different animal than how things are coded today. True? Am I also correct in assuming that with current hardware and development tools you just code against cores and the notion of physical processors is pretty much irrelivant?
In the days of single core processors, I would assume that coding for multiple processors was an entirely different animal than how things are coded today. True? Am I also correct in assuming that with current hardware and development tools you just code against cores and the notion of physical processors is pretty much irrelivant?
Coarse threading moves entire tasks to be performed on each of the processors. For example, one processor might handle all of the physics in the game, where the other might handle the sound and special effects. This is the easiest of the 3 main types of multi-threading, but it scales poorly since the loads may be unbalaced.
Fine-grained threading splits the workload evenly across the various cores. This technique is a little more involved from a programming perspective, but it scales well and has good performance. The downside is it's heavily limited by bandwith because there is so much "talking" between the cores.
Hybrid threading allows a blend of the two previous techniques. It can move whole systems to various cores or allow all the cores to work in unison. This offers the best performance but it's also the hardest to implement. Valve software recently released a good article on multi-threading and it looks like they will be revamping their Source engine to use hybrid threading.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
There's no difference between multiple cores and multiple processors from a programming perspective. However, there are different ways of writing multi-threaded applications to better utilize the processors.
Coarse threading moves entire tasks to be performed on each of the processors. For example, one processor might handle all of the physics in the game, where the other might handle the sound and special effects. This is the easiest of the 3 main types of multi-threading, but it scales poorly since the loads may be unbalaced.
Fine-grained threading splits the workload evenly across the various cores. This technique is a little more involved from a programming perspective, but it scales well and has good performance. The downside is it's heavily limited by bandwith because there is so much "talking" between the cores.
Hybrid threading allows a blend of the two previous techniques. It can move whole systems to various cores or allow all the cores to work in unison. This offers the best performance but it's also the hardest to implement. Valve software recently released a good article on multi-threading and it looks like they will be revamping their Source engine to use hybrid threading.
Coarse threading moves entire tasks to be performed on each of the processors. For example, one processor might handle all of the physics in the game, where the other might handle the sound and special effects. This is the easiest of the 3 main types of multi-threading, but it scales poorly since the loads may be unbalaced.
Fine-grained threading splits the workload evenly across the various cores. This technique is a little more involved from a programming perspective, but it scales well and has good performance. The downside is it's heavily limited by bandwith because there is so much "talking" between the cores.
Hybrid threading allows a blend of the two previous techniques. It can move whole systems to various cores or allow all the cores to work in unison. This offers the best performance but it's also the hardest to implement. Valve software recently released a good article on multi-threading and it looks like they will be revamping their Source engine to use hybrid threading.
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