Apple steals iTunes customers' paid-for rights to stream
03-16-2005, 01:05 PM
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Apple steals iTunes customers' paid-for rights to stream
I never liked to have a "thick client" involved between me and my songs.
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/16...s_itunes_.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/16...s_itunes_.html
Wednesday, March 16, 2005
Apple steals iTunes customers' paid-for rights to stream
Apple's iTunes DRM has a lot to hate, but first and foremost is that Apple can cheat you by taking away rights that you had when you bought your music. If you bought music from Apple a month ago, you got the right to stream it to anyone on your local network. If you had the hot track that your whole dorm coveted, they could all stream the music from your computer to theirs and give a listen.
But once you install the new iTunes 4.7.1 "update" (more accurate to call it a "downgrade") you lose that ability. Without telling anyone, Apple has stolen some of the rights you paid for when you bought your iTunes music, by adding limits to the number of people you can stream your music to in a 24 hour period. Imagine if your boom-box refused to switch itself on if too many people were in the room -- the 21st Century equivalent of gathering in one room to listen to music is gathering on one network to do so, and Apple has just appointed itself the absolute, tyrannical ruler of the size of the social group that you're allowed to stream iTunes music to.
Never mind that the iTunes itself lacks any means of controlling who you stream to only gives you coarse-grained password tools to control who can connect to your streams -- unless you wall off your collection with a password, anyone on your LAN can stream and Apple doesn't give you the tools to limit or even see who's streaming, so the stranger three rows over in class might be using up the one session you're saving for your neighbor when you get back to the dorm.
Apple has done this downgrading several times before, taking away rights you paid for, like the right to burn a playlist 10 times (down to seven), the right to stream over the Internet (now jut the right to stream over the LAN) -- and Apple's also used its ability to remotely disable features on your iPod and in iTunes to shut out competitors' products, like the Real music player and iPod Download, both of which offered legal functionality to Apple's customers.
Apple steals iTunes customers' paid-for rights to stream
Apple's iTunes DRM has a lot to hate, but first and foremost is that Apple can cheat you by taking away rights that you had when you bought your music. If you bought music from Apple a month ago, you got the right to stream it to anyone on your local network. If you had the hot track that your whole dorm coveted, they could all stream the music from your computer to theirs and give a listen.
But once you install the new iTunes 4.7.1 "update" (more accurate to call it a "downgrade") you lose that ability. Without telling anyone, Apple has stolen some of the rights you paid for when you bought your iTunes music, by adding limits to the number of people you can stream your music to in a 24 hour period. Imagine if your boom-box refused to switch itself on if too many people were in the room -- the 21st Century equivalent of gathering in one room to listen to music is gathering on one network to do so, and Apple has just appointed itself the absolute, tyrannical ruler of the size of the social group that you're allowed to stream iTunes music to.
Never mind that the iTunes itself lacks any means of controlling who you stream to only gives you coarse-grained password tools to control who can connect to your streams -- unless you wall off your collection with a password, anyone on your LAN can stream and Apple doesn't give you the tools to limit or even see who's streaming, so the stranger three rows over in class might be using up the one session you're saving for your neighbor when you get back to the dorm.
Apple has done this downgrading several times before, taking away rights you paid for, like the right to burn a playlist 10 times (down to seven), the right to stream over the Internet (now jut the right to stream over the LAN) -- and Apple's also used its ability to remotely disable features on your iPod and in iTunes to shut out competitors' products, like the Real music player and iPod Download, both of which offered legal functionality to Apple's customers.
03-16-2005, 01:09 PM
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Interesting, not sure if i'm upset about this or not. I had no use for streaming it to others though.
So let's say you buy an album from them, you can only burn it onto disk 7x's?
So let's say you buy an album from them, you can only burn it onto disk 7x's?
03-16-2005, 01:31 PM
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could you just burn a disk and then mp3 that disc (enabling more than 7 burns) or is there protection against that also, and when you download from itunes does the file come as a mp3 or the apple file format (i forget what it is called, or do they give you a choice.
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03-16-2005, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Caliadria
Well you can only burn an identical playlist seven times. If you add or delete a song from that playlist, then it's a different playlist, right?
You could just put a 1 second silent track at the end of the playlist and burn it 7 more times
Originally Posted by 03SSMTL-S
could you just burn a disk and then mp3 that disc (enabling more than 7 burns) or is there protection against that also
03-16-2005, 01:37 PM
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03ssm has it right.
you only need to burn it once, then rip that cd to MP3, or ogg vorbis etc and you're set.
you only need to burn it once, then rip that cd to MP3, or ogg vorbis etc and you're set.
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03-16-2005, 01:54 PM
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Mountain out of a mole hill, IMO. Oh, and the author's tone cracks me up. You don't have a "right" to do anything with the music you purchased from Apple. It's their license agreement and they can do whatever the f*ck they want with it. Don't like it, don't buy music from them. 
03-16-2005, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Billiam
Mountain out of a mole hill, IMO. Oh, and the author's tone cracks me up. You don't have a "right" to do anything with the music you purchased from Apple. It's their license agreement and they can do whatever the f*ck they want with it. Don't like it, don't buy music from them.
Thats why I prefer choosing MP3s from http://www.mp3search.ru/ @ 10 cents per song (or www.allofmp3.com). Cheaper, better, and with no "watermarks"
Apple will never see my ass in their system.
03-16-2005, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by zamo
I will concur with that.
Thats why I prefer choosing MP3s from http://www.mp3search.ru/ @ 10 cents per song (or www.allofmp3.com). Cheaper, better, and with no "watermarks"
Apple will never see my ass in their system.
Thats why I prefer choosing MP3s from http://www.mp3search.ru/ @ 10 cents per song (or www.allofmp3.com). Cheaper, better, and with no "watermarks"
Apple will never see my ass in their system.
wow, could I then put those songs in Itunes?
03-16-2005, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Billiam
Mountain out of a mole hill, IMO. Oh, and the author's tone cracks me up. You don't have a "right" to do anything with the music you purchased from Apple. It's their license agreement and they can do whatever the f*ck they want with it. Don't like it, don't buy music from them.
03-16-2005, 11:29 PM
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wow, could I then put those songs in Itunes?
03-16-2005, 11:48 PM
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www.allofmp3.com is teh best
03-17-2005, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by zamo
I will concur with that.
Thats why I prefer choosing MP3s from http://www.mp3search.ru/ @ 10 cents per song (or www.allofmp3.com). Cheaper, better, and with no "watermarks"
Apple will never see my ass in their system.
Thats why I prefer choosing MP3s from http://www.mp3search.ru/ @ 10 cents per song (or www.allofmp3.com). Cheaper, better, and with no "watermarks"
Apple will never see my ass in their system.
is there any difference in quality between this and Itunes?
$1.20 for some albums is MONEY!
03-17-2005, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by CLpower
is there any difference in quality between this and Itunes?
$1.20 for some albums is MONEY!
$1.20 for some albums is MONEY!
03-17-2005, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ABreece
It's a shady Russian mp3 site that is being investigated for copyright infringement.
http://news.com.com/Legal+reprieve+f...3-5602743.html
Moscow prosecutors have declined to press criminal charges against a popular Internet site that sells MP3s for just pennies, according to Russian news reports.
03-17-2005, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by zamo
Still doesn't change the fact that they're a shady Russian website.
03-17-2005, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ABreece
Oh, cool..
Still doesn't change the fact that they're a shady Russian website.
Still doesn't change the fact that they're a shady Russian website.
03-17-2005, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by zamo
hehe, not as shady as torrent and other peer to peer clients tho.
I don't think allofmp3.com will do anything bad, but some people would probably rather avoid them knowing their shady history.
03-17-2005, 10:17 AM
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its stufff like this that does not encourage people to pay for music. the music industry is so scared of music piracy they are trying to lockdown the services which are suppose to attract people. the only people they detour by this are the legitimate customers. music pirates will steal music regardless of what iTunes or any other service decides to do.
03-17-2005, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by caball88
its stufff like this that does not encourage people to pay for music. the music industry is so scared of music piracy they are trying to lockdown the services which are suppose to attract people. the only people they detour by this are the legitimate customers. music pirates will steal music regardless of what iTunes or any other service decides to do.
Naw, I just signed up for allofmp3.com and I never pay for music unless it's absolutely worth it. Shit .10 a song? Why not pay for it instead of going through the trouble of fakes and other crap with bit torrent. I have turned a new leaf
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Originally Posted by JesusJuice
Naw, I just signed up for allofmp3.com and I never pay for music unless it's absolutely worth it. Shit .10 a song? Why not pay for it instead of going through the trouble of fakes and other crap with bit torrent. I have turned a new leaf
haha, I just did the same, on my 3rd album and still under $5
03-17-2005, 02:43 PM
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How's the selection at allofmp3?
03-17-2005, 02:46 PM
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How's the selection at allofmp3?
03-17-2005, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
So is allofmp3.com legal or is it just as illegal as P2P?
I think since it's located in Russia it's legal
like offshore betting
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